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How about you don't post at all if you have nothing to say other than 'This is why I don't like Mandos', which we've all heard countless times? You don't even add anything, you just point to whatever issue is being discussed at the time and say "Aha! There's a reason!". It's nothing more than spam at this point.

And yes, I'm sure Corden is sitting by with a pen and notepad, dying to write down your valuable contributions.

We actually have a whole thread dedicated to such valuable advice. Duh!

As far as Marren goes, of course that was going to happen, she deserted her whole legion of supporters. Quite the cowardly move.
 

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Phil said:
A thread that states who the Mandalorians are allied with and who they are not allied with, just to give a sense for others to know who to call ally and who to call foe.

This is actually a pretty good idea and I'm surprised I hadn't thought of it yet. Obviously veteran members know who is who, but everytime we've gotten a new member, we've had to fill them in when it coems to details like that. This should help with that quite a bit. Thanks for the idea.

Phil said:
I can't seem to find the missions thread, but it prolly just flew right under me.

Each major clan organizes its own missions independent of the rest of the faction. They don't have to be exclusive to the clan offering them, but that clan must still play a prominent role. In short, the clan that offers a mission is the one that runs it. Unless otherwise specified, any member of the faction can join in as long as they follow the lead of the clan offering the mission.

Faction wide missions are usually main plot devices or training exercises. They don't get added to a list. Instead, we post sign-up threads for each of them as they come up. So far the system has worked well. It keeps the board from becoming cluttered and by delegating some of the normal faction leader responsibilities out to clan leaders, it not only cuts down on the work load, but it also allows those leaders to take a more active role in the faction.
 
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Do you think the faction has improved? What do you think would make it better? Do you like the current setup for the Mando board? Are the current bounties and missions fun and interesting? Are the battles fun and engaging? Is the major clan and minor clan system working? Are the clan leaders, Kiro, and myself doing our jobs well? How can we improve? Please offer some feedback and don't hold back. Be honest. If you see a problem, say so, but be prepared to offer a solution, too. That's the only way we'll get better. If you'd prefer to send me a private message, please do so.
 

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I've been out of the loop for a few months, but the faction has changed quite a bit. And in some cases, not for the better. One minor issue is that no other clan has a background write up beyond the one I originally made for Bralor. Now this is something that's easy to fix, and I'll likely do it myself sometime down the line. So it's ultimately a small issue.


But the big issue for me is the Protectors. They appear less like an internal moderating force and more like a personal army with stylings of the Waffen SS or Gestapo in the 1940's. With things like "Answerable only to Mand’alor himself, the Protectors have been taught that no one is above their justice, from the lowest warrior to an Alor, however, justice is brought to them in accordance to Mandalorian law" from the current write up and "With the war, they have also been called upon to take on the role of anti-espionage. To this end, Protectors may approach anyone on any Mandalorian holding that does not seem to belong, and use any technique at their disposal to ascertain the subjects allegiance.

Although this is seen as a bold move by the Protectors, it falls within their purview as the guardians of the Mandalorian people
" from the previous write up, the Protectors strike me as completely un-Mandalorian. While I have seen little to no dishonourable conduct IC from the bulk of the Protectors, I have seen some willfully and quite brazenly ignoring the mandate of their sub group.

"Answerable only to Mand’alor himself, the Protectors have been taught that no one is above their justice, from the lowest warrior to an Alor, however, justice is brought to them in accordance to Mandalorian law"

This single line smacks of arrogance and corruption. It's shockingly easy to abuse. A warrior with the ability to openly condemn another warrior for little reason and only the most flimsy of evidence, is something I'd expect to see in the Empire, or other totalitarian factions like certain crime syndicates. Not in the Mandalorians. Is our faction's code of law ( if we even had one, all that's in the canon is the Supercommando Codex and Canons of Honour, neither of which are bodies of law, only culture and belief ) so strict that we essentially have a free roaming, heavily armed, elite private army that answers to nobody but the Mandalore, and even then they seemingly have the power to overthrow this sole person.

This sub faction stinks of methods I would A) Expect to find in the Empire and B) have been used by totalitarian governments in real life.

"As the first line of defense for the Mandalorian people"

I thought the average Mandalorian warrior was that line. The rest of that paragraph goes on to arrogantly claim that the Protectors get the latest and greatest equipment before the Mandalorian people. While I'm not against elite, espirit-de-corps units having access to good or recent technology, to openly and blatantly brag that they get shiny new toys makes them seem less like a warrior, less like a Mandalorian. Mandalorians aren't defined by their technology, they're defined by their culture. This is something Echoylir is reeducating Carien on right now.

I've had this argument before in this thread with A'den. Mandalorian warriors are and should be treated equally, regardless of their chosen brotherhood. Protector, clan warrior, independant, doesn't matter. Everyone is equal, no one gets preferential treatment. And yet the Protectors stand above the population, able to openly conscript anyone to their cause.

"After their reformation, the Protector’s functioned as a police force in their primary capacity, a tradition continued to this day, guarding Mandalorian interests and resolving Mandalorian concerns, asking for no recognition, and no laurels, before fading back to their mobile bases. Forgoing ranks, each Protector is a warrior, fighting as equals with their brothers, united as one in their purpose. Individual commands may be given to a Protector for exceptional service, but while this may add a title, their standing among their brothers remains equal.

A Protector’s responsibility is wide and varied, encompassing all facets of Mandalorian life. As keepers of the peace, they are a mobile force, with multiple ships spread throughout Mandalorian space. Their responsibilities include, but are not limited to: Investigations, peace keeping, guard duty, spreading the Mandalorian teachings (Resol'nare), and general preservation of Mandalorian culture. To fulfill this mandate, the Protectors operate as an individual entity, free from many constrictions of the more structured clans. Answerable only to Mand’alor himself, the Protectors have been taught that no one is above their justice, from the lowest warrior to an Alor, however, justice is brought to them in accordance to Mandalorian law.

This justice has many facets, from honor duels presided over by a Protector, to incarceration on one of the Protector’s vessels, to execution. The Protectors are judge, jury, and executioner, and their judgment is absolute.
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The impression this chunk of text gives is one of totalitarian authority with nothing to answer to. The Protectors are, intentionally or not, being groomed to take control of anything they like within our faction on this site. How is Echoylir, for example, going to be able to stop Protectors storming into his home and arresting his wife, or him, when they have total authority? How is my character going to be able to find recourse when apparently the Protectors answer to a person that they can theoretically overthrow when they feel like it, on some vauge premise of 'Mandalorian law'?

Those are questions that need to be answered.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, Silver. I think we've addressed all of your concerns over Skype. Rest assured, edits will be made to ensure the write-up is clearer in its intent. The Protectors were never meant to come off as the gestapo and as you said yourself, the culture and its members are their own counter-espionage service. Ultimately, the Protectors exist to safe-guard the Mandalore Sector and to police those outsiders passing through or living within its borders. Unlike those outsiders, Mandalorians are held accountable by their clan or in the absence of a clan, their peers. A Mandalorian who disregards or violates a cultural standard is often declared dar'manda and exiled. In extreme cases where a Mandalorian commits a crime, he or she may be executed, but those clans need no Protector to tell them how to go about their business or handle an internal affair. However, should a clan require the assistance of the Protectors in apprehending a Mandalorian who fled after committing a crime, they are obligated to assist. The Protectors exist to serve. Unlike the military forces, most Protectors volunteer for life. They don't go home between wars.
 
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