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YES! My schemes have finally come to fruition!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

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As Corden himself stated. If you're a good warrior and have proven yourself to the Clans, then you shouldn't have to worry about anything. If you are however just a puffed up bag of hot air hiding behind a swanky title and a Clan name, then as said, they won't respect you and come kick your ass. This is a culture of nomadic, honourbound, family-obsessed, warriors. The right to lead is constantly challenged

Actually the original Mandalorian religion fought to end Chaos and Stagnation, they believed order came THROUGH war and for one to find their TRUE self they had to be placed in life or death situations. They believed that is when someone's true colors came out, plain and simple mandalorians have NEVER fought for chaos, they fought to discover themselves or to spread the mando'ad influence.

As to the hot air comment, no I am not I researched the Mandalorians back to their roots when they were little more then religious warriors living in huts. I was simply stating when the Mandalorians had a armor and rank system was when they were most effective is all no need to get all uppity :P
 

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Anyway. I have no problems with the Faction thus far. If anything, it's the best organised one I've been in since my days in SWG's Mandalorian Protectors. Far as I can see, Corden's been doing a stellar job.
 
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Mando'ade = Mandalorian People ( plural ) Literally "Sons and daughters of Mandalore"

Mandalorian = Mandalorian Person ( Singular ) Literally "Son / Daughter of Mandalore"

Mando'ad = A non existent word in the language which would mean.. Mandalorian? Why not just use Mandalorian? I'm assuming you're using it in the singular refrence, which is ably served by the word Mandalorian.


Just seems a bit redundant.

"Mando'ad - Mandalorian; Literally: "Son/Daughter of Mandalore" taken directly from http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mando'a

But as far as the faction goes I feel that we have become something good, that we have a stable system that works so far. The activity of the leaders, second in comman and such is great. The only thing that I am missing right now is faction sanctioned mission, while it is great that we have the clans come up with missions as well. I personally would see larger mission created by the top brass of the faction.
 

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yeah, I edited my post. I just looked it up. Forget it.
 

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Actually the original Mandalorian religion fought to end Chaos and Stagnation, they believed order came THROUGH war and for one to find their TRUE self they had to be placed in life or death situations. They believed that is when someone's true colors came out, plain and simple mandalorians have NEVER fought for chaos, they fought to discover themselves or to spread the mando'ad influence.

As to the hot air comment, no I am not I researched the Mandalorians back to their roots when they were little more then religious warriors living in huts. I was simply stating when the Mandalorians had a armor and rank system was when they were most effective is all no need to get all uppity :P
I'm not the best guy to ask on history mando or star wars.. But I know a lot most don't, I sat for 2 weeks during x-mas on my phone on wookieepdia. PC was died. I read so much on star wars. ;).
Draco is a little base on the honor of mandos.
 

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The rank system is intended to be very informal. Personally, I'd rather have no ranks at all and carry on much like you've suggested, but that takes something away from the many members who want to see a clear result of their character's efforts over time. If you haven't already, check this thread out. It isn't a perfect system, but I was attempting to find middle ground. IC, it makes sense that they'd have nothing but a loose hierarchy consisting of Mand'alor and the various clan leaders. OOC, it would be difficult to establish a chain-of-command without some sort of guide in place. Members would likely argue about whose character has more authority. Having this informal rank structure prevents that. However, it may be possible to do away with "faction ranking" and leave it to the clans to decide their internal rank structure or lack thereof. The faction could still have a Solyc Al'akaan (Mandalore's second-in-command/right hand man), but then the rest of the leadership could be clan leaders, who obviously serve a dual role... they'd be aliit'alore (clan leaders) and al'akaan (war leaders; general/admiral analogs).

Essentially, it could be arranged like this...

  • Mand'alor
  • Solyc Al'akaan
  • Al'akaane/Aliit'alore

Each Al'akaan/aliit'alor would then determine who is to serve as his or her second-in-command and which warriors have command of platoons and such during battle. That can be achieved through a clan rank structure or determined through skill and prowess. Regardless, it would be up to the clan leader to decide. What do you think about that?

As far as approaching Mand'alor goes, that's how I try to portray it. The problem is, many people still think of Mando ranks as if they were real world ranks or GA/Imperium ranks. Those are strict rank systems where discipline and obedience are enforced. It shouldn't be that way for the Mandalorians. The loyalty, obedience, and respect of the warriors under a leader should be earned. Even so, many role-players still try to portray their characters as if other Mandalorians owe them respect and obediance just because of their title. I can't stand that. I see it all the time in real life. Mandalorians would knock that person off their high horse and then move along. It just isn't tolerated. Actions are what make a Mandalorian and leaders should be the ones who prove themselves in combat time and time again... that means if a ge'verd can do your job better than you, then he or she has every right to challenge your leadership and take your place. Make sense?

My point is, rank doesn't matter. Unfortunately, people still think it does no matter what write-ups I post or what Corden himself has said IC. Also, on another note, I've had every intention of using the Oyu'baat as a meeting grounds just like you described. I've wanted to do that long before I became faction leader... we just have to get Manda'yaim back first.

As for Force sensitives: Corden isn't too keen either, but that's clan business. As long as they follow the Resol'nare and behave like true Mandalorians should, he won't get involved. Now, if they were to try and form some kind of Jedi Order for the Mandalorians... that wouldn't sit well with him at all. He views the Force as a tool and despises those that would use it like a crutch. Force sensitive Mandalorians should live and train like every other Mandalorian. They shouldn't get special treatment, special training, or a special title.

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Mars is spot on. If someone is acting that way IC, your character has every right (in fact, he or she has a responsibility) to knock that person off their high horse and put them in their place. Every Mando character is a Verd. Verde aren't at the "bottom" of the totem pole. They are the totem pole. It's a general term. It means WARRIOR, not private... and many people seem to have forgotten that. Being a Verd means your character has passed is or her Verd'goten (the traditional Mandalorian rite of passage). It means your character has equal rights and standing in Mandalorian society. It means he or she is considered an adult. That's all. It isn't a lesser role by any means. It's the standard. People who are Verde either haven't earned a position of leadership yet or have no interest in earning one.

Everyone, please look at the faction roster. See my character Coro Kevara? He's the CEO of MandalMotors. If we were using some sort of class system, wouldn't he deserve a higher rank given his position? But that isn't the case. He holds no military title because he isn't serving in a military role. Key word there: title. That's all they are. These titles serve to distinguish individuals by the roles they lead. If someone is a Me'sen Al'verde, you know he or she is a starship commander. If someone is a Traat'ab Al'verde, you know he or she is an infantry commander. If someone is a Ver'alor, you know he or she probably leads a platoon of warriors on the battlefield. Why? Because that warrior has earned the respect of his fellow Verde and shown he or she is capable of leading. Alternatively, that Ver'alor could have earned his or her title/role by showing aptitude in space combat; now he or she is commanding a squadron of starfighters or a few small starships because of it. The titles specify roles/jobs. These roles must be earned and your character must remain skilled and proficient in them. Fail or abuse the position and you get replaced. Simple as that... like I said, everyone is Verd. It's synonymous with Mandalorian. They aren't "grunts" or "privates." In the end, there's just Mand'alor and then there's Mando'ade. Everything else is a job title.

I know I ranted on for a while there and probably backtracked a few times and repeated myself, but it's late here and I'm exhausted. Hopefully it still gets my point across.


Quoted in entirety for posterity. The events unfolding in the Dishonoured thread have caused me to collect these quotes as a basis for the actions that my character is currently doing. I will not be put off by a quiet word in a PM, either.
 

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Show me where A'den or Apollo has bullied anyone or pressured them into doing something they didn't want to do? Hell show me where outside of combat A'den has made orders to anyone? On my part you won't see any! So pipe down with all these baseless attacks! As for Dishonored had you been there for the MCW you would be as pissed as A'den and Apollo! Danielle LITERALLY left her people high and dry! She is without honor and deserves what she is getting -.-
 

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Danielle LITERALLY left her people high and dry! She is without honor and deserves what she is getting

And? I have never disagreed with this. I've only said that it's irrelevant to what my character is doing. Echoylir is being motivated to speak up against what -he- perceives as bullying from people he is -ashamed- to call Mandalorian. He will gladly hold the executioner's beskad at her execution, if such a thing occurs IC. But not while clan leaders can just stroll in and basically start a lynch mob when there are codes of honourable conduct in place. Please look up the Supercommando Codex and Canons of Honor. While we have no examples of what those texts have written, we have the idea that honourable conduct, both on and off the battlefield, is an element of the Mandalorian way of life. Yes, there are disagreements, because people will always be flawed beings with their own interpretations, but that does not excuse what I have been reading in both past and present RP's from the Mandalorian faction.

Same again with the ranks. Echoylir was accused of speaking out against a 'commanding officer' and was told, literally told, to 'Shut up and let the wookiee win' in essence. That is not how Mandalorians work. There is only one absolute authority that can say that, and it isn't Apollo or A'den. It's Corden. If Echoylir is told to shut up by the Manda'lor, he will. If he's told to shut up by a stripling half his age in a communal area, he will not. Especially if that person in question has yet to earn his respect as a warrior and as a person.

The problem is, many people still think of Mando ranks as if they were real world ranks or GA/Imperium ranks. Those are strict rank systems where discipline and obedience are enforced. It shouldn't be that way for the Mandalorians. The loyalty, obedience, and respect of the warriors under a leader should be earned.


I will simply not have my character kowtow to another simply because of rank or OOC pressure. You want Echoylir to do something your way? Convince him. Don't just walk off after a big fat speech. That won't convince anyone, if anything that will just stir dissent and make you come across as an arrogant man who abuses authority.

Every Mando character is a Verd. Verde aren't at the "bottom" of the totem pole. They are the totem pole. It's a general term. It means WARRIOR, not private... and many people seem to have forgotten that. Being a Verd means your character has passed is or her Verd'goten (the traditional Mandalorian rite of passage). It means your character has equal rights and standing in Mandalorian society. It means he or she is considered an adult. That's all. It isn't a lesser role by any means. It's the standard. People who are Verde either haven't earned a position of leadership yet or have no interest in earning one.

So do not pull rank on my characters. There is no rank to pull. There is only respect to be earned or lost depending on the actions your character does.
 

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Have i pulled rank? Have I told you icly to shut up and sit down? I said this isn't your concern, A'den served under Danielle when she abandoned the Loyaltists. He has the right to speak his mind just as you do. He is not starting a Lynch mob unlike Apollo simply stating what's the truth, she is not welcome here.
 

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The execution of a Manda'lor, coward or not, is the concern of every Mandalorian. Simply handwaving and going "It's none of your concern because you weren't here" is irrelevant. My character is reacting to the events occuring now, not then. And even then, I read up on what happened before so that it could help influence and shape my character's opinions of those around him based on knowledge he would have gathered through logical means.


So yes, it does concern him. It also concerns every player Mandalorian. You might think otherwise, but that is the case. What also concerns Echoylir is the conduct that the supposed leaders of the clans are partaking in.

"Becareful how you speak...not everyone is as forgiving as me Bralor" is not something one equal says to another. It is an implied threat and my character reacts to it as such. Off the battlefield, all Mandalorians are equal. Because they are all warriors, all verde.

Every Mando character is a Verd. Verde aren't at the "bottom" of the totem pole. They are the totem pole. It's a general term. It means WARRIOR, not private... and many people seem to have forgotten that. Being a Verd means your character has passed is or her Verd'goten (the traditional Mandalorian rite of passage). It means your character has equal rights and standing in Mandalorian society. It means he or she is considered an adult. That's all. It isn't a lesser role by any means. It's the standard. People who are Verde either haven't earned a position of leadership yet or have no interest in earning one.

How many times do I have to quote Corden before you get it?
 

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It was a warning, it wouldn't be nice to let Bralor get shot in the back by incognito Sith or Imp spies would it? Or some of our less honorable members...which do exist.
 

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Your intent then, wasn't put across clearly enough. Either way, my point stands. So, we can either deal with the IC consequences, or we can deal with the IC consequences.
 

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Of your character having two major clans full of enemies for the disrespect he showed two of the Mandalorians most influential members? Sure, we can go with that
 

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I know it says mando only and draco is but I ask ender just in case.

Silver even if we all mando are equal the rank like the quote says but there respect. Even if A'den tell Draco to shut up even though Draco may be right on something, Draco may or may not it depens. That Draco, he acts big but he knows his rank and honor. Yes, the blaster to face was not nice. But it doesn't matter if A'den or Manda'lor tell you to shut up or fire a gun, They are that rank cuz they have respect of all the other mando "and ooc they are good writes and been here longer then us". I have more to say but waiting to see if I can join so..
 

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See, now you're just making yourself out to be some higher authority on an OOC level, which is taking things too far.

Either way, Mandalorians are individuals. Individuals have disagreements. The clans aren't some gestalt consciousness that automatically follow the will of their leader.

"You can't rule Mandalorians. You just make sensible suggestions they want to follow. And since when have Mandalorians needed to be told what makes sense?"
―Boba Fett

Either way, now you're trying to use your OOC 'rank', as it were, to push me around. That is bad form, very bad form. I won't rise to that bait. Because I fully expect this entire discussion to be deleted because we have gone massively off topic.


But it doesn't matter if A'den or Manda'lor tell you to shut up or fire a gun, They are that rank cuz they have respect of all the other mando

If they cannot earn the respect of other warriors who don't kiss their ass, then they don't deserve said respect. Respect is earned, not given.

Look, this is getting heated. Undeservedly heated. This is easily resolved. Either with a dance off, or by actually roleplaying and dealing with the consequences.
 
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Plight thank you for the defense but it wasn't needed, A'den and Apollo's reputations.are known among the Mandalorians that is why they are where they are. Silverface, your character is supposed to have been here forever then he would know A'den grew his clan from 15 to a large number and through aiding the clans achieved his rank as General. So how would he not know of BOTH A'den and Apollo's actions and honor?
 

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It doesn't matter what their ranks are. They weren't acting professionally in that thread, and that's where they got called out. Rank doesn't mean JACK. Have you forgotten Phil who was Mand'alor? He had rank, and he had respect ICly. But that didn't make him right. Drop this debate please, all of you. If anyone wants to challenge anyone, do it ICly. Bickering like this is only making you guys look immature. It should never have crossed over from IC to OoC in the first place.
 

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It doesn't matter what their ranks are. They weren't acting professionally in that thread, and that's where they got called out. Rank doesn't mean JACK. Have you forgotten Phil who was Mand'alor? He had rank, and he had respect ICly. But that didn't make him right. Drop this debate please, all of you. If anyone wants to challenge anyone, do it ICly. Bickering like this is only making you guys look immature. It should never have crossed over from IC to OoC in the first place.

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Already dropped.

What were we talking about again?
 
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