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Ruling 1 said:
I'll close the report, but just so you're aware I think the situation was poorly handled and we will be counting it against your 3 report limit for the pvp.

You had a report and 5 OOC posts up, with no actual discussion of the problem, in less than an hours time frame. If you think something is wrong with your opponents posts then you need to discuss it first. Discussion means back and forth dialogue with your opponents- not spamming the ooc with double posts. Alternatively, if they're trying to make an impossible shot then you can just say it missed in your IC response- just because someone shoots in your direction doesn't mean it has to hit you.

The only times you should report first and ask questions later is with autohits or if your timer is about to run out, in which case you should clearly state as much in the OOC.

Carry on, but let's try to keep the hysterics to a minimum for the rest of the thread.
Ruling 2 said:
Ruling: The concussion missile hits the fuel station, igniting whatever remaining fuel there is and the fuel station is definitely not of any use now. Doesn't really impact anywhere else, might feel the ground shake some, but in regards to the warehouse where the Mandalorians are held up, there isn't any effect.

In addition, PCs would not be taking damage anyway because the tech rules clearly outline that missiles and torpedoes can't be used directly against PCs on foot.

This is also your 2nd report, if a third report is made, a final ruling of the thread outcome will be made and not necessarily to anyone's liking.

Ruling 3 said:
Ruling: So after reading, rereading, pondering and consulting, this entire thread demonstrated a poor use of the report system with jumping to assumptions before discussing it out with others, reporting posts that could have been resolved with a compromise, reporting before anything significant can happen, reporting because you didn't like what the other member did, this is just bluntly put, ridiculous on how you guys handled this thread. Personally, I am beyond disappointed, so here is what is happening:

No one gets anything. Everyone escapes, but nothing is gained. This thread will be count as failed towards the missions this is involved with.

I highly suggest before jumping into any further PvPs you decide if you are going to put forth the effort in discussion and clarification of posts if you do not understand them or if you do not believe something could work. Additionally, do your research on PvP, read the guide, refer back to the guide and know your technology and the rules if you are going to be using it in the thread.
 
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Ruling 1 said:
Ruling: Niish's armor save's his butt, or more like backside, the first shot lands and as per armor tech rules:

Armor will save someone from a direct hit from a medium damage weapon, but with moderate bleed through. Even glancing blows can cause intense discomfort, while direct hits to the head or chest can cause serious injuries even through the armor. Being knocked down or spun by a direct hit in an armor plate is common, and the bleed through damage often causes minor burns, bruising, and sometimes actual bleeding.

So, Gian, you will need to reflect this damage in your post, as a glancing blow will not stand. The other shots that were fired would be misses, but due to the area being busy and populated, the remaining shots will critically injure civilians.

Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: Harrison takes one shot to the back and his back armor is shattered.

I agree that Harrison isn't good enough to dodge all the shots, but dropping flat is actually a decent defense as it would block line of sight from the follow up shots. That being said, he doesn't have time to do that before the first shot would get there.

Moreover, this ruling is impacted by the fact that there was no actual OOC discussion about this and no opportunity for rebuttal given to Brick. An OOC post was made, and less than an hour later the post was reported, which provided no time for actual discussion, which is not appropriate. Perhaps this agreement could have been come to by the players, but they were never given a chance to do that.

Considering by the time I'm making this ruling (well over 12 hours after the report was filed), the Mandalorians still wouldn't have timed out, I don't find that argument to be very compelling either.

Ruling 3 said:
I'm going to start out by addressing something in this thread, and in other threads I've seen: you all need to start working on compromising. These arguments rarely come down to "I'm entirely right and you're entirely wrong." Sometimes it does, and that's when reports can come in, but compromise, not reporting should be the first line of defense. In a lot of these: take some damage that's not debilitating and move on. Everyone in the thread will be happier if you do, and "I don't want to talk about it, so let's report" which was TWO of the three reports for this thread, is not really acceptable.

Admin Ruling: @Faded Truth's defense stands. Given that Vamp's own post acknowledges that half of Faded Truth's attacks can't happen because Vamp is out of the line of sight, there's not a very compelling argument for him to locked into all those actions. If Faded Truth were locked into the later actions, then perhaps, but "just because you write that your hit will land when it is absolutely most advantageous to you, doesn't mean that that will actually happen," which is what this would rely on if he's been forced to abandon the latter half of his previous post.

Ruled ending: I'm going to let you all escape (including Harrison), though I'll note that I seriously considered finding ways to kill you all off. This thread majorly flew in the face of all the meta changes, and I probably should be giving you a more heavy handed ruling, but keep in mind for the future that that may well happen if this behavior continues.

Other notes:

@vamp wrist rockets have a minimum arming distance of 20 meters. Your character doesn't have a rangefinder or a tape measure out there. If I'd been asked to rule on you firing a rocket from 22 meters so that it just barely has time to arm, I would have ruled it inert. If you're relying on that level of specific accuracy for your attack to work, it won't fly.

A request: please put tags of the person you're attacking into the post where the attack is happening, that would be greatly appreciated. When reading this and having to find which "the Mandalorian" or "the Sith" is being shot at, really makes things difficult in a thread this large.

Final note: No PvP credits for this thread.

@Loco @Darasuum @Taz @Gian Greydragon @Brick
 
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Ruling 1 said:
Ruling: Dara's attack on the hangars mag-shield generator stands as is. The hangar begins to vent atmosphere and everything in it, although it wont take long until the physical doors close. The debris flying through the air will be damgerous to everyone, the mandalorian craft included.

I'm really not sure why this was such a controversial post. It is, in my mind, a perfectly legitimate use of established and locked in environmental and timing aspects in an attack, and you have never needed prep threads to attack someone in a pvp thread. There's no rules against being efficient in pvp. It's also not an autokill. I can think of a couple of ways right off the bat to defend against it, and the sith also could have used environmental factors to their advantage as well without needing me to spoon feed something via ruling.

As far as Staff Swat goes- the sudden attack from within the station would trigger emergency response teams. The initial response would be damage control, but security personnel and scrambled fighters would soon follow. @Faster Than Light can take ot from there.
Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: Draven's defense is inadequate and he's sucked into and killed by the vacuum of space.

Force speed is not the be-all, end-all to fights, which is what I always see people try to use it as. Running really fast isn't really a defense against being sucked into the vacuum of space. Holding onto or grabbing something might have been, but ultimately this defense relies on the principle that the traction between boots and hangar floor is greater than pull of the vacuum of space. Friction just isn't that powerful.
 

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Ruling 1 said:
Ok, so just because someone times out, it does not always mean it will follow under what most regular auto-hits classify as. When we discuss auto-hits, this is where there is no plausible defense against an attack, most of the time they are lethal, but not all the time. When a time out happens, yes attacks will hit especially in 1v1 close proximity, however, this situation we have multiple individuals here that can also alter the course of one's attack before it is completed.

Ruling: Due to Victoria's hit with a bowcaster, which as a heavy weapon against someone's light armor, is more than a scratch, this is a potentially fatal wound that she needs to get medical treatment as soon as possible. However, with her concentration on this hilt, with the wounds she has taken, and all the other fire fighting and as a level one, she is not going to be that good. Therefore just because Taz as timed out, it does not mean he automatically is getting hit with the lightsaber that is flying and I am stepping in with an official ruling that it doesn't because Victoria is in some serious hurt right now...not to mention she has a rocket coming at her also, so there is a bigger picture here that you should be worrying about other than your saber hitting its target. Faded Truth

So, the interrupts stand, there is no auto-hit.
 

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Operation Bespinian Liberation

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Ruling 1 said:
We received a report alleging an autohit and a time out both, which is... unusual. While reporting an autohit is totally normal, if you think an opponent has timed out then you really don't need to involve the Admins- just tell them they timed out and should remove the post.

Ruling: Both parties failed to post a defense and are autohit by the respective attacks against them. Nikka is struck multiple times by light repeater fire as she exits the cab and moves to the front of the truck and tries to push it. She loses balance due to the impacts and falls to the ground halfway between her cab and the buildings door, and suffers from moderate bleed through damage on her upper right arm and upper right chest and back. Gideon's remaining shots are thrown off as his cover barrels into him, sending him sprawling backwards across the ground. He rolls to a stop several meters behind the truck with some road rash, a dislocated shoulder, and a minor concussion..
Ruling 2 said:
Quote of ruling #2 in "PvP OOC Link".
 

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Staying Humble- Clouds over Myrkr

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Ruling 1 said:
(in response to a report regarding gentech that doesn't comply with the tech rules being used in a pvp)

Ruling: The Clouds shields, sensors, communications systems, hyperdrive, and torpedo tubes are immediately rendered inoperable. Since the sensors are out, all maneuvering, detecting, and firing on enemy craft will require physical observation- eyeballs only.
Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: The missile strikes the Cloud, and without any shielding the ship is immediately destroyed, killing all occupants. The docked fighter barely manages to clear the explosion.

1. The ships are within short range sensor distance as specified here:
"That proved to be the case when she noticed the indication that a Sith fighter was on approach. This was doubly confirmed when she overheard Ray over the comms."​
Clearly, the call confirmed what the sensors already picked up.

2. The ships are within attack range as both sides have attacked one another. The quotes below are clearly intended as attacks, and to attempt to retroactively walk it back isn't a valid argument:
"The incoming Heavy Laser Cannon fire, from the rear mounted, ventral mounted, and dorsal mounted heavy laser cannon turrets, would make it difficult for the small interceptor to maneuver, and even more difficult for it to gain a straight unimpeded shot on The Cloud without getting hit itself."
"The Heavy Laser Cannon mounted on the rear of the ship would give this approaching enemy something to regret as it opened fire, sending enormous bolts of deadly laser fire directly at the Sith ship."​

3. Heavy laser cannons are by definition slow to track targets as seen in the tech rules, and are not going to be able to shoot down missiles. This would only be further exacerbated by the ship's current attempts at rebooting. Relying on shooting missiles down with heavy laser cannons is not a valid defense.

4. Simply stating your enemy is too far away when there is evidence to the contrary is not a valid defense either.

@Wit @Mad Dog @Algarus @Nefieslab

Ruling 3 said:
I'm going to start this off by saying that you can't just ignore a ruling because you don't like it. The ruling was that the Cloud was destroyed by the missile because of its failed systems. That is absolutely not up for debate @Wayrider. If you read Loco's post ("The Rendili program had been trying desperately to report the information it had gathered from its advanced long range system, only to be stymied by the Main computers code language and reporting requirements"), the Cloud detected the ship and then promptly had total system failure, including inability of the sensors to communicate with the main computer. In other words, the ship detected the target, but couldn't relay that to the pilots, hence why it was not detected until short range sensors.

You decided to ignore the actual ruling and then take the explanation out of context in an attempt to twist it to your needs. Seeing as you opted to simply completely ignore the ruling or make a post that even remotely complies with the ruling within 24 hours, your post is void, and will be treated as a pass for the round.

Suffice it to say, if I haven't made myself clear yet, I don't appreciate you ignoring rulings and attempting to warp and pull out pieces to suit your needs @Wayrider. I don't want to see you do that to another admin again. "The missile strikes the Cloud, and without any shielding the ship is immediately destroyed, killing all occupants" is unequivocally clear.

Since this is the third and final report, that means a ruled ending for the thread:

@Algarus never edited his post to reflect any part of the ruling, and as it has been 24 hours, his post is considered void and the round is considered a pass. While his ship could have escaped the blast radius in time if he had edited, that is no longer an option.

Brianna Saxon is killed.

In the prior round, Ilyra Visz swooped in on the tail of Duarte Kelborn, and with the next post now voided, he is by default doing nothing about that. It is assumed that with an enemy on his tail, no shielding, and no hyperdrive, he will be shot down.

Duarte Kelborn is shot down and crash lands on the world below, and is badly injured with a broken left leg and a concussion that causes confusion, vomiting, and dizziness. Any attempt to escape must be RPed out in an Open/PvP thread with no fewer than 10 posts over at least a 48 hour period.

This ruling is absolutely not up for discussion or debate.
 
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Ruling 1 said:
Admin Ruling: The defense stands, but Ragnar is already going to start feeling drained. Drace avoids the PIPE.

  1. Given the speed with which the defense is being prepared and the fact that it is going to have to be wide in order to accommodate defending from both attacks, it’s going to be more draining.
  2. Wrist-rockets are not insta-win tools. This has been established here already.
  3. The argument for this being a hit is reliant almost entirely on micro-timing (tenths/hundredths of a second between igniting a saber and emerging or hundredths of a second to move a foot into defensive stances etc), which isn’t a valid argument. It’s been said time and again that if your attack landing requires hundredths of a second worth of timing, it’s not going to fly, and I don’t see anything here compelling enough to overturn the defense.
  4. “Just because he is old and fat doesn't mean he is unhealthy and has bad joints.” I hate to break it to you, but that’s pretty much exactly what it means. Obesity is, by its very definition, unhealthy. It’s also very bad for the joints, cardiovascular system, and virtually everything else in the body. Your character is 139 pounds over the upper end of appropriate weight for his height. That’s going to impact his agility.
 

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Barrack Corellia

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Ruling 1 said:
Admin Ruling: The hits from the basilisk land and destroys the tank, but the tank is able to fire off a shot of its own having acquired target lock.

The tank is able to get a shot off because it's already aiming at its target, but it doesn't have time to fire before the shot from the basilisk. Given that the two vehicles have chosen to do little to defend themselves apart from attacking one another, Kelborn is likely going to be struck by the cannon shots as well.

Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: The defense stands.

1. This is being treated as an interrupt attack, which means that writing a full defense to the second set of quickdraw shots isn't fully possible because with a new attack Painus theoretically has the chance to "cancel" his second set of attacks. Therefore this doesn't count as an autohit. There is still a provision to defend against the attack if it's "reaffirmed."

Ruling 3 said:
Ruled Ending: Mandalorian Victory. Darth Victress escapes- wounded and humiliated, but alive. Leandros doesn't get his jetpack turned on in time and gets his bucket rattled slamming into the burnt out tank, but he'll be fine. Burk needs to find a good jetpack repairman.

All of you need to work on your pvp basics. The only things longer than the IC posts in this thread were the OOC posts here. "More" very rarely means "better". Keeps things as clear, concise, and simple as possible, and then maybe you'll have better luck getting through pvps with minimal disagreement on either side.
 
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Ireeparable Assault

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Ruling 1 said:
Admin Ruling: Both shots strike the fighter and bring it's shields down to 50%.

Really this is mostly about the fact that after being shot at, Rud decides to persist in his flight, gain missile lock, and fire. The maneuver to miss half the bolts probably would have worked if it had been done immediately upon being fired at, but that wasn't the case. The timing involved was locked in and then mostly changed to suit firing and dodging, when that's not the case.

Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: This is an autohit as the attack was not addressed. The fighter's shields are depleted with serious damage to the ship's engines. The ship is "dead in the water" most likely resulting in capture by the victor of the battles overall.

As a note, this didn't actually need to be "reported" per se. In the event an attack is not addressed or an opponent times out it's an auto hit that does not require a report. Just for future reference.
 
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Ruling 1 said:
Alright a few things, because in Phoe's most recent announcement, this report demonstrates what we don't want to see, more specifically:

I took one, other missed and @vamp and I did not kill you, I buried you.
Report if you wish

Statements like this is exactly what Phoe and the PvP team said not to do.

So here we go:

RULING:

1. If you have an issue with the timing of events in your opponent's post, then you need to address it before you post. Because of this, @Ecclessey post stands as is, which leads me to:

2. Just because you don't believe a defense is good, it doesn't mean you get to just ignore it all together and write what you want @ Sabrina, your post is all over the place in timing and you need to be more receptive to player feedback in fixing this issue. This also means, you cannot back-peddle on your attacks and set them up so they're convenient to you. The first grenade thrown was to Elix's location which you didn't dispute that it missed as per Eccel's post; Elix now shoots Sarla when she throws the second grenade meant to hit vamp's jedi. Because Sarla left herself open during the grenade throw, Elix's interrupt is successful and Sarla receives two bolts to the stomach area, her wounds are critical and if she does not receive medical attention immediately, they could be fatal quickly.


So with that, all rulings are final and not up for debate.

In addition, no where in this discussion was there a compromise and I don't understand why there was an issue really because the interrupt was not inadequate, levels really have nothing to do with this, and if vamp's jedi was going to survive, but needed to take damage, then what is the big deal here. Lets get real here guys, you can all do so much better than this.

@ vamp @ faded truth
 

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Successful Negoitations

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Ruling 1 said:
So after reviewing the weapon and the original post made my Algarus, it was concluded by the admins in regards to the weapon that the shots would be individual bursts, since two shots at the same time would be OP of weapon in PVP. Do note, the admin team has taken note of such weapons (double barrel, semi-auto, etc.) and will be making sure we review acceptable PvP weapons for nuTL.

ADMIN RULING: Due to Crystal's focus on attempting to shoot down the droid and successfully doing so in Algarus' consecutive post, she will not have much time to react to the rifle shots fired by the Tomic. She will take a hit to the head from the rifle shot and not a grazing, but it will not be fatal, the other bolts will miss as the impact of the first shot will send her back and disoriented. Extra focus will be required for Crystal if she wishes to continue as the pain from hit will be quite distracting, accuracy of hits from blasters or rifles will be reduced, and her stamina will quickly be depleting as the fight moves onward. Medical attention is advised.

As always, all rulings are final and not up for debate. The posting clock has resumed in conclusion of this ruling.
Ruling 2 said:
Since both sides reported the same post, I'm just treating this as one report and the thread will continue. Also- dont do that. A pvp report should include relevant arguements and points of disagreement from BOTH sides AND use the proper report template.

Bottom Line Up Front: @/Tsunami is significantly disoriented by the concussion grenade this round- more so than described in his current post but less so than full concussion grenade effects. @/Ediwa falls to the ground in the wake of his det charge and is injured and disoriented, but concious and somewhat mobile. The blast causes significant damage to the room, filling it with smoke and rubble, knocks out the buildings power, and activates the fire suppression systems, plunging everyone into near total blackout and subjecting them all to chokingly thick fire suppression gasses and obnoxiously loud emergency alarms.

There will be no pvp bonus credits for this thread.



Nef, you've been around and in enough PvPs to know that this:

"By not reporting my post as you disagreed with it or having it changed, you have locked yourself into taking the hit from the concussion grenade..."

Is not at all how pvp posts work. Not even a little. PvP posts are all attempts that your opponent treats and reacts to appropriately. Just because you wanted that grenade to do something specific doesn't necessarily mean it will. I'll assume you just explained your position poorly, and aren't actually that ignorant of the pvp rules.

Now, on the subject of that grenade... if Tomic can make that throw, he needs to quit the Imperial War machine and try out for the Coruscant Coronas, or any other Intergalactic Major League Space-Baseball team he fancies. They'd be happy to have a godlike pitcher like that on the roster. To achieve that throw, 80 some odd feet down a hallway, through smoke, while leaning around a corner in the middle of a firefight, landing at a very precise location only a few feet in width, with exactly one second left on the timer... lolwut. In the words of a former SWRP Admin: "You're not that good." Nobody is that good. That attack attempt is one of the most ridiculous I've seen in some time.

No matter how ridiculous an attack is though, it still needs to be responded to appropriately. @/Tsunami, you can't retcon something you already committed to just because it would be more convenient. If you neglected to close the door last round, then you cant say you were closing it this round without any stimuli to cause the change. That's deus ex machina, or defense by sheer luck, which are not permissible in pvp.

Last point... sorry @/Ediwa. Your post clearly says you place the explosive on the ground and then detonate it. You don't take cover, you dont move away, you don't set yourself up for the aftermath in any way- all important things to consider if you're going to blow up the ground you're standing on. PvP posts should be clear and concise and describe exactly what you do and where you go- there's nothing in your post that indicates you went anywhere after you planted the charge. As for Nefs argument on the matter, I'm not sure what the direction of the blast has to do anything. If the floor gets blown out from underneath you, which directions the blast was focused is the least of the issues. People have suffered worse results for less obvious mistakes, but hopefully you survive this one to learn from it.


None of the issues I saw in this OOC should have led to reports. You guys are picking ridiculous hills to die on, and the behavior here in does not in any way reflect what we want to see in our pvp scene. Do better.


Ruling is final. Continue thread.

Loco out.

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For future reference, the party jumping to hyperspace early should report themselves in these circumstances. The turn based rules for things like hyperspace calculations still stand- you can't just write in that they finished when you wanted them to, especiallyin a pvp. That said, the ruling is as follows:

The fighters attack run severely damages the frigates sublight engines and maneuvering thrusters, killing a half dozen crewmen who were doing repairs in the section before the fighting started. The frigate successfully jumps to hyperspace, with its wake causing the trailing fighter (@/Plebometer) to tumble through space in its sudden absence, causing some hull damage and causing cascading failures in multiple systems, ultimately resulting in a temporary power failure- someone should probably come to the rescue.

Meanwhile, back in hyperspace, the Mandalorian hijackers find that the recently shanghaied ships crew is not as small or as stunned as originally thought. While the remaining rebels can do little to stop the ship from hurtling through hyperspace, they make clearing and taking full control of all sections slow and difficult work. Despite their best efforts though, they're not trained or equipped to resist well armed Mandalorian raiders, and it looks like things are going to be tidied up in short order...

Then, alarms blare as the ship reverts violently back into real space, having just clipped the gravity shadow of one of Malastare's moons. The frigate bashes its way through an orbital mining platform, then continues on to burn its way into the atmosphere. Despite the best efforts of anyone in a position to do anything about, the entire ventral sub-structure is sheared off as the ship takes the peak off a small mountain, destroying the hangar and many essential power core components, then digs a deep furrow through dozens of kilometers of pristine Malastare forest land.

Flaming debris and great globs of fuel rain down from the sky, setting fire to thousands of acres of trees and turning the shadowy purple night sky of the southern hemisphere a rippling orange and red. The impacts overload the inertial dampeners and the artificial gravity, and everyone inside the ship feels ever bump, scrape, and jolt as the ship finally slides to a halt in a crunpled heap, half buried in the thick (now on fire) undergrowth,

Red emergency lights flash dimly throughout the ship as the dead and wounded lay strewn haphazardly throughout the corridors and working spaces. Harsh sirens blare, and fire extinguishing systems gush thick foam and fog- at least, the ones still functioning. Parts of the ships passages have conpletely collapsed, and others are blocked by twisted durasteel and raging fires. The ship will need major refits and repairs if it's ever going to fly again, but its current occupants (Mando and Rebel alike) have more immediate concerns.

All aboard the frigate are locked into a new escape thread on Malastare and may not post any new threads with these characters until the escape is completed.

Damage taken by the survivors and the subsequent difficulty of the escape thread should be appropriate for the above described circumstances. If you need more info or DM inputs, PM me or hit me up on discord..
 

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Victress vs. Koil

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Ruling 1 said:
Admin Ruling: Victress takes the quickdraw shot fully to the shoulder. It tears through the armor, scalds the shoulder, half-spins her with the impact, and nearly knocks her off her feet.

Before edits were made, Faded Truth already admitted the most likely outcome was Victress taking a hit to the shoulder. After comparing the old and new post side by side there's no reason to suddenly redact that. Both attacks are telekinetic attacks against the target at the exact same distance. The timing didn't change at all. Realizing that taking a hit puts you at a disadvantaged position isn't really a viable reason not to take a hit.

Secondly, since it was also in the report: prepared force attacks. I'm not really sure what the big argument here is. I'm not even sure what "prepared attack" is being used to mean in this context. Does Victress have Force energy on hand? Sure. Does that mean the attack is completely instantaneous? No. The attack wasn't launched in the previous round. This whole argument on both sides just sounds like nitpicking.

The bigger issue here is not the amount of energy Victress needs to expend for the attack (total nitpicking) but whether she can maintain concentration while being shot in the shoulder. That's fairly distracting and is going to weaken the attack, but isn't going to negate it entirely. The attack still needs to be dealt with and can't just be ignored.

Darasaurus

Ruling 2 said:
Admin Ruling: This does not qualify as an autohit.

Autohits in general have to be insanely cut and dry. "I'm catching 10,000 lbs with my bare hands" type of cut and dry, which this isn't.

Breaking line of sight isn't the only way to disrupt telekinesis. A straight shot from a blaster causes serious injuries. Even glancing shots - particularly to the head - are going to be bad for your health. Victress is going to be rattled by multiple shots, and that's more than enough to throw off a grip or choke. Whether that alone would be enough to totally break the grip is academic at this point since the combatant subsequently rocketing away is going to make maintaining a grip all but impossible.

That being said, Koil would be rather rattled by the choke, so take that into account for attempted follow up attacks. It's not going to be back to casual shooting within a single second like nothing happened.

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Well, it's come down to the third report, so that means a ruled ending for the thread whether you two intended to continue or not.

I've been asked to rule on the validity of the defense as it is written, and there are a number of issues with it currently.

First, Victress is in bad shape, which isn't really being reflected in the posts. A straight shot to the shoulder and a glancing blow to the face are going to be bad enough injuries. Add in another glancing blow to the other arm, multiple Force powers (which on their own might not have been exhausting), and now moving the right arm around to aim and attack with it and she's going to be on the verge of toppling over just from the physical exertion and beating alone.

Second, that physical beating is going to take a toll on her ability to use the Force. She's using lightning from an arm that can barely move as if it's no big deal. The lightning coming out is going to be considerably weaker and easily survivable for Koil.

As such, the lightning does not nullify the slugthrower shot. Victress's back up plan is to block the slugthrower shot. But 1) the shot is at point blank range 2) while she is using lightning 3) she is injured and tired 4) she is trying to backpedal faster than an advancing enemy 5) there is a stream of lightning and cryocaster stream in the way 6) as well as a potentially a burned/swollen eye and mangled helmet. Blocking that shot with all those variables isn't going to happen regardless of lightsaber positioning. The slug hits.

The slug hit - while not lethal due to armor - on top of existing damage is still going to be enough for Victress to stumble and likely interrupt the lightning. Even a moment's misstep when the entire defense is pivoted on being 1 meter outside the range of a weapon is enough to have catastrophic results. As a result, the cryocaster does manage to reach and freezes Victress's entire torso and arms, subduing her.

Koil, meanwhile, is wracked with pain as his muscles twitch and spasm in the aftermath of the lightning. Burns and scars appear on his chest and abdomen, but he does not die and is not incapacitated. Medical attention would be recommended but is not immediately required.

Really this came down primarily to the fact that Victress is not fresh in this fight anymore. If this had been round two with no damage and no previously used Force powers then this ruling likely would have gone differently, but the actual state of the fighters is important.

This ruling is final and up for neither debate nor discussion.
 
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Admin ruling: After reviewing, @/vamp 's auto-hit post stands and Perilius' legs as a result are crushed by falling debris to where the only way to save himself would be through amputation of his legs. @/ByakuyaXVTogami your character will have to forfeit the fight, though from his injuries, he probably would be unconscious and therefore cannot declare a its just a flesh wound and continue onward.

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Admin Ruling: This does not qualify as an autohit, since the sand is not the entirety of the defense.

First, I will say that using the Force to manipulate sand in the manner being done is not a canon power, and not something that I even recall being used in Legends. To manipulate a literally innumerable number of sand particles to trip someone is not going to be effective. Sand is not a solid.

That being said, he is still using his lightsaber in an attempt to defend himself as well. Whether or not that defense is adequate is not nearly cut and dry enough to be an autohit ruling and would need to be discussed by both combatants if there is disagreement, and may then be submitted as a report if necessary.

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ADMIN RULING: Regarding the the effect length of the adhesive grenade, its fairly clear in the write-up that it is effective for 2 posting rounds. That means, Ediwa's post #16 will be the first round, and post #20 will be the second round. @Ediwa, your next post will allow you to get loose. With that in mind, Jay is still stuck in place and cannot collect any assets from the deceased Jedi Knight, and his defense and offense will be limited while stuck. Additionally, Ediwa, your Imp getting hit by the blaster bolt in the arm is serious due to the type of damage that it does dish out (medium), please be aware your character will be in immense pain from it.

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I'm just going to start out by saying I'm exceedingly disappointed that it always seems to be the same people who aren't able to reach compromises in PvP and burning through the maximum number of reports. If you all want to dig your heels in on every topic then maybe you should be reevaluating your own attitudes in these fights and start looking for some middle ground. Not every fight needs 9 pages of OOC and a full 3 reports. Compromise is the backbone of PvP. This thread is a prime example of what PvP shouldn't be.

Admin ruling: Running 70 meters with Force speed would only take a few seconds and it wouldn't be that exhausting.

Moreover, the person who did the running isn't even attacking this round. And because I keep seeing it come up, I'm just going to say it now: just preparing an attack for the subsequent round doesn't suddenly make it way more powerful. So in reality, this entire round was a pass on attacking for Roman anyway. This didn't need to be a report.

Additionally, for the thread conclusion, I'm ruling that all combatants escape since both sides have lost a character, and neither side seems to have an obvious advantage.

Finally, I'm rescinding the right for PvP credits on this thread.
 
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Admin Ruling: This isn't an autohit.

While it is required to specifically acknowledge attacks, in this case the attack was conditional on being able to see the defendant ("pulling both triggers again if she was still in his sights after that"). Given the conditions were not met for the attack, it doesn't qualify as an autohit. In the future, I would recommend specifically stating something about the attack even if it is a conditional attack just to avoid something like this again.
 

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Solving your problems via deus ex machina is never going to be ok in PvP and therefore making up convenient surroundings so you don't have to take damage is not going to get a pass. Taking damage may sometimes be necessary especially if you are not able to find a reasonable solution.

ADMIN: Therefore, Qsan may try to jump to the ramp, however, it is not in time nor successful and therefore takes the hit from the concussion grenade and is disoriented. In this state, Qsan will not be able to seek cover or return fire as he is in a very vulnerable state.
 
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