Snoke, Who? What? and How?

[Saul]

What if

Vader is father in German.

My sister sat and watched all the films with me before we went to see the force awakens. And she guessed pretty soon that he was one of the main characters fathers.

Just to throw this out there:
Sith is English for "since" and Old English "siþ" means late or after.
Naboo, or Nabu, is a Babylonian name for the God of Wisdom.
Rey means "king" in Spanish, as well as some proto-Latin languages.
Finn is the name of a dwarf in Norse Mythology, which itself is probably a racist depiction of the Finnish people. (Not talking about Boyega here, I mean that Finns are dwarves)
Ren means "kidney", or a strip of unplowed land between estates in Danish. (Conspiracy theory: between Light and Dark?)
Face it, Kylo is what you get when you mash "Sky"walker and "Solo" together.
Snoke is an Old English variation of snook, meaning to smell, search out, pry into; to lie lurking for a thing
Damask (the surname of Plageuis) is an old English transliteration of Damascus. What does that mean? Probably nothing. My characters surname Dimash was purposefully derived from a pronounciation of Damascus in a dialect of Arabic. Means nothing.
Maz Kanata is a combination of Maz, an Old High German word for meat or perhaps Latvian for "little", and kanata, the Dakota root word that Canada is named after meaning village or settlement.
Ahch-to could be derived from Proto-Indo-European "akka", ach in Welsh, which means kinship, ancestry, lineage; where to could be Danish for "wash" or the more common translation of To as "yours"

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Anyone read the book Aftermath? One of the Emperor's old advisors, a dark side historian, tells Imperial fleet commanders (who are wondering what to do about the rise of the New Republic and the many Imperial setbacks) that the Emperor sent teams of scientists and explorers out of the galaxy to find the source of the dark side. That's where the Emperor believed his power came from.

I think Snoke is whatever they found at the source of the dark side. Someone who has been watching the galaxy for a long time - and waiting.

 

[Tsunami]

@Saul I got so lost in all of that ha!

If only Windu was still around, he could make a spin off called "Snokes on a plane"

 

[Saul]

@Saul I got so lost in all of that ha!

If only Windu was still around, he could make a spin off called "Snokes on a plane"

TL;DR Snoke is Snooki.

 

[Lamper]

To the whole "if Snoke is Plageus why did he wait till now/why let Sideous do his thing (and all that jazz)" I would pose that Plageus was never a capable combatant even without Sideous "killing" him in his sleep. Sith does not equate to epic warrior imo. He would have unparalleled powers but his physical capabilities could have already been pitifully minimal before he got those scars they CGI'd onto his mug.

 

[Tsunami]

To the whole "if Snoke is Plageus why did he wait till now/why let Sideous do his thing (and all that jazz)" I would pose that Plageus was never a capable combatant even without Sideous "killing" him in his sleep. Sith does not equate to epic warrior imo. He would have unparalleled powers but his physical capabilities could have already been pitifully minimal before he got those scars they CGI'd onto his mug.

If he was stronger in the force than palpatine and palpatine could summon wormholes in space, I doubt the physical matters. I mean look how feeble yoda was till he hit the switch. Not only that Plageus taught Palpatine all the Lightsaber forms? So he must have some ability physically right?

 

[Lamper]

If he was stronger in the force than palpatine and palpatine could summon wormholes in space, I doubt the physical matters. I mean look how feeble yoda was till he hit the switch. Not only that Plageus taught Palpatine all the Lightsaber forms? So he must have some ability physically right?

Yeah you're right. And if JJ follows precedent then every Force user automatically owns with a lightsaber. But I guess I'm hoping JJ doesn't. Because Plageus could be more powerful than Sideous and also be less dangerous at the same time in my perfect world, in that the nature of Plageus' giftings lie in manipulation of life and the like instead of attack-type powers. And Plageus could have a theoretical and a textual understanding of all saber forms to pass down but not a personal gifting and aptitude himself.

 

[Tsunami]

Yeah you're right. And if JJ follows precedent then every Force user automatically owns with a lightsaber. But I guess I'm hoping JJ doesn't. Because Plageus could be more powerful than Sideous and also be less dangerous at the same time in my perfect world, in that the nature of Plageus' giftings lie in manipulation of life and the like instead of attack-type powers. And Plageus could have a theoretical and a textual understanding of all saber forms to pass down but not a personal gifting and aptitude himself.

Very true!

 

[Saul]

As Yoda said, wars not make one great. Being able to fight and use a lightsaber is no justification for them returning. Waiting for Palpatine to die, on the other hand, allows him to usurp him without questionable methods. See, the Sith might abide by the kill your Master become the Master philosophy, but that's generally not the best system of legitimation in the sense of intragalactic governance. People probably wouldn't buy it, they'd want an election or some BS. Sorry Mando's - but if that were a real system of government, then you're basically Necromongers.

I personally hope for an all new villain rather than Plagueis, because there's no reason that they have to rehash old stuff rather than create new stuff. But my bet is it being Plagueis - I don't have much faith in modern Hollywood creativity, especially not given all the remakes of old movies flying around.

 

[Tsunami]

I think after all this theory crafting, I'd be slightly disappointed if none of them were right.

Even if it was the most farfetched theory that snoke was palpatine and he like Force Teleported out of the death star just before he died, but he got messed up anyway and he twisted Ben Solo that way telling him to finish what Vader started because he had Vader blood and that's why he was his most promising apprentice.

"Most Promising apprentice"... How many Sith Lords had more than 1 apprentice?

Vitiate had 3?
Bane had 1 or 2?
Plagueis had 1?
Sidious had 3?

 

[Jax Vos]

Sidious had 3, but he had one at a time. Officially Bane only ever had one, but legends would indicate that he had 2 or 3 in the same manner as Sidious. Vitiate/Valkorion had at least 3, likely more considering how old he is in TOR alone. And bare in mind that Vitiate is not canon yet, while the other 3 you mentioned are.

And if we used legends we have several Sith Lords who had up to 5 or more apprentices at a time. I would use Krayt as an example, but I don't consider him to be a true Sith as both Bane and Revan's Sith holocrons were clearly disgusted by him.

 

[Jax Vos]

Anyone read the book Aftermath? One of the Emperor's old advisors, a dark side historian, tells Imperial fleet commanders (who are wondering what to do about the rise of the New Republic and the many Imperial setbacks) that the Emperor sent teams of scientists and explorers out of the galaxy to find the source of the dark side. That's where the Emperor believed his power came from.

I think Snoke is whatever they found at the source of the dark side. Someone who has been watching the galaxy for a long time - and waiting.

Did you check out this post?

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[Brandon Rhea]

Yes, and I don't subscribe to either theory (Vitiate or Plagueis) since there's really no actual evidence for them. It's just fan hype.

 

[Tsunami]

Tell you what there would be no way I'd survive as a director who knows these kinds of secrets. I'd want to blurt it out every time the convo arose.

 

[Sargent Easton]

Now i do like the idea of Snoke being Plaguies, Im sticking with the idea that Snoke had been in the background of the galaxy, watching and waiting for his perfect moment to strike, and that he is possibly from the ancient days of the sith.

 

[Saul]

Tell you what there would be no way I'd survive as a director who knows these kinds of secrets. I'd want to blurt it out every time the convo arose.

I'd just rub my secret knowledge in peoples faces. "Hee Hee I know and you don't." I think others would have a hard time dealing with that and I could feed off their tears.

 

[Tsunami]

I'd just rub my secret knowledge in peoples faces. "Hee Hee I know and you don't." I think others would have a hard time dealing with that and I could feed off their tears.

You sir are pure evil.

 

[Jax Vos]

You sir are pure evil.

Have you had other dealings with @Saul before? If so, why did it take you this long?

 

[Mr.BossMan]

I like what Brandon said, Snoke being an adviser/scientist/whatever who was sent to find the source of the Darkside. He found it, maybe with some other things, such as that cross guard design on Kylo's light saber???? (Unless that has already been explained, I don't know) So we have Snoke, who took over when Sidious died and Vader died. With no real leader he had every reason to just step in and take complete control.

Start fresh, start with the 1st Order. As in number one, as in new, as in "I just found the Darkside and i'm gonna name my new Darkside order the First Order."

Sidious said he killed Plagius and we have every reason to accept that as fact. Why would Sidious lie? What reason would Plagius have to just let his apprentice rule the galaxy? He wouldn't and if you think so then you're either reaching or giving into your fan hype.

If you just look at Snoke then you can easily tell the man/creature is heavily entrapped in the Darkside. It's evident on his complexion and how his skin looks...dead. He looks like something that has found a very corrupting and powerful Force.

I think this villain is new, and i hope he is. I kinda liked the whole mystery aspect to Sidious, the unknown factor he had. And if we just say this new villain is Plagius, that takes away from Plagiuses character and Sidiouses character, it's unnecessary.

 

[Jax Vos]

I agree. And I really hope that they do a Palpatine spin-off that goes into how much Plagueis tortured him and molded him into the heartless dictator we know him as.