The Empire's Grip OOC

[Tsunami]

Hey guys!

Please be aware that if your character is in that prison and you didn't post an exiting in that 48 hour window, then your character will be a victim of the bombardment. The prison isn't made to withstand such fire power.

Thanks!

The ruling stated that "This means the rescuers need to decide between continuing their operation or getting out of the area." Why was that an option, if the facility could not withstand such firepower? Just seems strange seeing as operations would clearly mean that they are going to be inside the facility.

I'm not to arsed as seems that I'm the only Jedi Left now vs a SD however thought I would ask for interests sake.

 

[Tsunami]

Also @Richie B. guess this means that you are up brother, as no one is left in posting order between you.

 

[Ulysses]

@GABA the Hutt
So can you clarify that the only way for Al-Ric to survive was to auto hit a serious number of attacks, mission impossible out the prison and then simply write "OOC exciting thread"

 

[Sreeya]

The ruling stated that "This means the rescuers need to decide between continuing their operation or getting out of the area." Why was that an option, if the facility could not withstand such firepower? Just seems strange seeing as operations would clearly mean that they are going to be inside the facility.

I'm not to arsed as seems that I'm the only Jedi Left now vs a SD however thought I would ask for interests sake.

That ruling was made before Abe made the 48 hour posting window, which no one but Topher and Valen honored and no one contested. Please don't take rulings out of context. At this point, it's too late for anyone to make it out since Insal has already begun bombardment. They had a window to post, and some did, some didn't. Those that didn't and are on the ground/prison are pretty much SOL at this point. If anyone's in a ship or outside the perimeters, they still have somewhat of a shot, but anyone inside the prison, nope.

 

[Ulysses]

Unfortunately for you then, this is not a PvP thread yet. No one is actively engage in fighting anyone.

This was the rationale for 48 hours. If it's not PvP, then my character is not space dust.
I understood the 48 hours was for people to escape so that the thread could be decluttered. So that those staying could have an interesting story - which @Aberforth proposed.

If this is the ruling, I don't see how this isn't setting up the defences so as to be impenetrable. Al-Ric is a captive. Even had he no friends, he would have had two posts to overwhelm a senior Sith, her entourage of 40 warriors and escape the prison.

As it happens, I'm grateful to all those who came to help, but they have been faced with the same problem: one post insertion, bombardment, one post extraction (if they're lucky). Leaves, logically, no time to complete the mission.

The ambush was clever, I'll grant that, but Al-Ric didn't fall for it, he was compelled to be there as bait.

 

[Sreeya]

This was the rationale for 48 hours. If it's not PvP, then my character is not space dust.
I understood the 48 hours was for people to escape so that the thread could be decluttered. So that those staying could have an interesting story - which @Aberforth proposed.

If this is the ruling, I don't see how this isn't setting up the defences so as to be impenetrable. Al-Ric is a captive. Even had he no friends, he would have had two posts to overwhelm a senior Sith, her entourage of 40 warriors and escape the prison.

As it happens, I'm grateful to all those who came to help, but they have been faced with the same problem: one post insertion, bombardment, one post extraction (if they're lucky). Leaves, logically, no time to complete the mission.

The ambush was clever, I'll grant that, but Al-Ric didn't fall for it, he was compelled to be there as bait.

Tbh a lot of mistakes were made on all sides. When Insal showed up, that was when the post should've been reported. A double check would have invalidated his entry since the prep thread to have him prepared to bombard didn't follow the timing rules. However, you and Tsunami both posted and that validated Insal being there and the prep for bombardment.

The second check was Abe offering the 48 hour escape window. This was the Jedi's responsibility to clarify what this meant and if there were concerns, to raise it then. No one really did and they simply made assumptions. As the starter of a non-MF thread, he is at liberty to offer up thread rules, and they'll remain in place unless someone contests it. Topher and Valen escaped, but the others did not.

That's exactly how we ended up in this situation where people at this point are downright trapped in the thread. Unfortunately mistakes were made, but no one gets a hall pass in these situations. Hopefully people can learn to really raise concerns/issues right when they happen vs. after the fact.

PS - You had 10 PCs on your side. Abe was only in there with Insal. Remember - NPCs can't be used for pvp advantage, so your entire point about being outnumbered is moot.

 

[Ulysses]

Edit: I want to apologise for the tone of the previous incarnation of this post. I was out of order, sorry.

 

[Sreeya]

You’ve been told where things stand multiple times. Entertaining a rescue thread can end shitty for everyone, prisoner included. There are inherent risks for all sides. No further discussion will be entertained.

 

[Tsunami]

How has a simple query decended into this madness again! Golly gosh I hate OOC!

This should go as a reminder, if you don't ask, you don't get! You can't complain about the clarity of a statement, if you haven't asked the questions! It's sad that Jedi had died, however we have all entered deep within Sith Space and I don't honestly think anyone could say they didn't think their characters could die here!

Again I am stuck in a tractor beam, awaiting my fate, and I think it's hilarious!

 

[Ulysses]

In which case, I throw myself at the mercy of @Aberforth and @Insalius

 

[Fantasy Liver]

Sorry that I posted a bit late - has a consensus been reached on whether or not my last post counted as an escape? I'm fine either way but I didn't really register the time limit, as I was on a trip for the last two days.

 

[Aberforth]

Sorry that I posted a bit late - has a consensus been reached on whether or not my last post counted as an escape? I'm fine either way but I didn't really register the time limit, as I was on a trip for the last two days.

@Richie B. canonized your post by posting, so you are fine. Please remember to communicate with your partners before posting, Richie, especially if a concern has been raised in the OOC and RP admins have issued a ruling.

 

[Richie B.]

@Aberforth oh sorry I did talk with my partner though, so if my post does allow @Fantasy Liver does escape because of my post I am totally fine with that.

 

[Insalius]

I'm fine with him escaping due to that post. I won't contest it or anything. Just wanted to move things along.

 

[Aberforth]

@Richie B. You didn't bring it up with me. I am on the same side as you are and I was not fine with that escape. If there is one thing that should be learnt from this thread, it is that everyone should make an effort to communicate with others on their team.

 

[Talon maara]

Yes there is a lot of confusions, misunderstandings and disagreements. But this should just be a lessons learned for all parties that comunication is key. 1) when outing info out try and make it easy to understand with no vagueness what so ever so ppl can actually understand it and comprehend it without a doubt in their mind. 2) communicate with your respective teams, 3) if you don’t fully get it or something. Don’t assume what you think it means, is what it is. 4) ppl are going to disagree with you in one way or another, remember pick and choose your battles Ooc wise, you can’t win them all. There are others on this site too many with different opinions so of course there’s going to be OOC discussions, good or bad.

We are here to have fun, some want blood or some just a good story. There’s ways to have both, that’s where communication comes in. Sure the Jedi might of been told it would be one way but then out came a different story than what was fully explained. In my opinion it was jacked up but we are here now, so let’s make the best of it while we can.

 

[GABA]

I'm not sure what the deal is with attitude from members, but its uncalled for. If anyone else wants to get an attitude, then the staff is not going to hesitate with further disciplinary action.

So to put more emphasis on this, if I see anymore poor sportsmanship from members in this thread, we will begin to hand out infractions.
Think before you type, if its not helpful and doesn't offer a solution to a problem, don't post here.

 

[Insalius]

@Tsunami just a heads up, the shields on my docking bay wasn't down.

 

[Tsunami]

@Tsunami just a heads up, the shields on my docking bay wasn't down.

Your using a tractor beam buddy. If you could have the shields up while a tractor beam was being used, things would just crash into it all the time and then there wouldn't be much point in a tractor beam? At least that is my understanding.

 

[Insalius]

A tractor beam is just a localized field of gravity used to either draw in or repel. As far as I know, shields aren't affected by gravity, otherwise planetary shields would be useless as well as ship shields when too close to bodies with dense gravities. And I agree that it would be silly to use tractor beams and shields at the same time, if I were trying to capture your ship. I was not, though. Typically, both tractor beam and shields would be toggled at the same time for supply loading or capture of enemy ships. I'm also not sure the tractor beam is located INSIDE the hangar, either. I always thought they were located outside of it, on the hull. I'm not sure if we'll need the tech guru to weigh in on this or not, just to be sure of specifics. @Tsunami