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OOC: This is open for any Jedi character who wishes to discuss this plan.

The Jedi Order was doing everything that they were supposed to do and that was a problem. Or, at least, it was a problem in terms of how spread thin the Yavin Temple's resources were starting to get. Maxims Tionson had secured dozens of Pamarthan pilots to help man the Jedi's starships and Drow Venn had gotten a Gammorrean clan to agree to provide security for the Temple. Not to mention the fact that numerous refugees from both Denon and Utapau had been rescued by the Jedi and were now lingering in Yavin IV with no real place to go. Thus, the Jedi Order had done a fine job of securing its own defenses and protecting the galaxy's citizens...and it was really starting to cost them. All these people needed food, shelter, and jobs and while at first, the Order was managing, things were starting to get stretched a bit thin.

Drow had a plan to change all of that. When he'd ventured off to Utapau to rescue the inhabitants of Rock Canyon, they'd taken a freighter to escape. By selling the freighter, the credits would be more than enough to clear out some trees in the Yavin forest and build some wooden cabins up. This makeshift village (that Drow was tentatively calling Temple Town) would provide a nice, quiet home for those displaced refugees. There was more than enough animals and plants in the surrounding forest for Temple Town to sustain itself on and any craftsmen or technologists could find work either with the Jedi Temple or within the town itself. Drow even suspected that selling any goods from Temple Town on the galactic market could provide the village and the Jedi Temple with some much needed credits. Plus, Temple Town would still experience the protection of the Jedi and their forces; giving the Temple Guard some extra practice in making their patrols and making the refugees feel more at home.

Additionally, Drow was also hoping to integrate the Pamarthen pilots into the Yavin Temple Security Force to create a unified body that would be much more effective working in conjunction with one another, rather than being siloed separately. He proposed that any pilots or guardsmen that wished to provide security for offworld Jedi could do so but their primary base of operations would be here on Yavin IV and the two forces would train with one another to get better accustomed to fighting together. Drow figured the Temple stood a better chance against an outside attack if there was a unified air force and land force. It was this plan that he explained to Jedi Council member Lena Goordayr and any other Jedi that might have an opinion on such matters. This was an open discussion after all.

"....so that's why I think integrating these two plans will bring us more revenue, make the refugees happy, and provide the moon at large with a greater sense of security. Any questions?" Drow asked to his fellow Jedi.

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Lena was starting to feel old, older than she had any right to be considering her actual age. It seemed, however, that it was her lot in life to outlive others. People who were older than her, perhaps wiser than her, had proven to be far less permanent than she seemed to be. What it actually meant for her day to day life was that she was busy, oh so busy.

Hannibal had his projects and her only other surviving comrade on the Council was so involved in diplomacy in the wake of Tionson’s death that she hadn’t seen them in weeks. That she was the same Council Member to have spoken to Drow about the Yavin Temple Security in the past was just a happy coincidence.

She had been wandering the halls attempting to enjoy a little break from the healing chambers when the eager knight had found her. Lena listened patiently as he outlined his proposal and she couldn’t help but want to sigh.

“Yes, I have a question.”
She told him with a frown, “Is this you asking permission or telling everyone who will listen what you have already set into motion in an attempt to make it seem as though this was a decision you had any right to decide on behalf of the Order as a whole? Like with the refugees from Utapau. Or those from Denon.”

Lena’s frown deepened.

“You are now proposing we put the refugees to work for us. Have you asked them what they want personally?”
she tilted her head to the side slightly, “Will you allow them to leave if they do not wish to remain or keep them on our moon without their consent? And if you don’t… what do you propose we do about the breach to our security this creates? When people spread out into the Galaxy with knowledge of our location and our defenses?”

Doing good for people across the Galaxy should always be the focus of the Jedi but that was an ideal and it had to be tempered with practicality. The facts, as they stood, meant that it was already too late; Yavin was already a target. Hundreds of people had suddenly fled here and numerous Jedi craft had been lost on Denon.

Yavin was compromised and the only reason she didn’t bring this up first was because she was a teacher and she wanted to see how long it took for people to realize that.


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Well, this was it. Drow was in trouble, no doubt about that. He couldn't do much for himself but he could try and still advocate for the Utapauans and their plight. He'd never heard about a Knight being demoted back to Padawan status but from Lena's tone, it didn't sound at all like that option was off the table.

"With respect, Master, I was not the only Jedi who brought refugees to Yavin. Other Jedi were the ones who brought the refugees to Denon." Drow explianed resolutely, though inwardly he felt like a child in trouble with his teacher. "I'm not saying this to shift blame - only to explain that while the Jedi have a safe haven here on Yavin, others in the galaxy aren't so lucky. The Utapau villagers needed help and I wasn't going to abandon them to fend for themselves. Last I checked, Master, Utapau's infection percentage rate was into the high 90s. I'm sure my fellow Jedi felt similarly."

"If you want to punish me for my actions, I understand. I'm not going to ask for forgiveness or even leniency; I only ask for some understanding for the plight of these people. This moon is one of the safest places in the galaxy right now. We're untouched by the virus, have a wealth of natural resources at our disposal, and plenty of Jedi and guardsmen to defend us. I can't speak for those at Denon but I only know that I brought those from Utapau to share in this haven because where else could they go? Abandoning them to the slums of Coruscant might have been just as bad as leaving them on Utapau."

"I don't want them to work for us. I want them to work to have a sense of purpose and routine that would have otherwise been snatched away from them by outside events they have no control of. I've been doing everything in my power to shore up this moon's defenses and I think it's in a good enough place where we can afford to protect more than just ourselves here, Councilwoman."


Drow finished talking and bowed his head respectuflly, fully prepared for another verbal beaitng. He'd said his peace and now it was up to the will of the Force and the temper of Lena to determine if that meant anything.

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Byron sat not far away as he listened to Drow's speach. If he had known there were refugees, he would not have brought them to Yavin. There were places like Wetyin's Colony which Byron had visited before but it was no solution for the displaced. Those that had lost their homes were here now though. That much was for certain and they had to deal with it one way or another.

"They have lives beyond us, Drow." Byron said after listening to the Knight. "Their lives are forever changed, brought here due to circumstance, not choice. Good intentions, while you have them, are not enough to give you the right to choose for these people." Many of them were aimless while others probably had family somewhere in the galaxy they wanted to rejoin. "Temple town...." Byron shook his head with a tsk.

"...but you're not wrong. That's why I suggest that we get assistance with relocation. Wetyin's Colony might serve as a place for them while remaining on planet for the time being. This place is safe, now, yes. But what about tomorrow?" The Sector Rangers had been openly targeted on several occasions by the Sith. "You think the Sith won't come here some day?" The image of Lyra exiting a portal came to mind. "They will..." It was as good as prophecy in Byron's mind. Like the inverse of light at the end of the tunnel, there was dark creepingness he had felt ever since Kessel on the horizon. But it was true for himself more than anything. The Jedi could only see more violence and destruction ahead when it came to this matter.


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"Byron, I'm not making myself clear, my friend. I don't want to force them here against their will. But I want to at least give them the option to stay but if they want to go their own way, I wouldn't want anyone stopping them."

"And, yes, Yavin IV may be compromised but this isn't new. We've always had civillian workers here. Pamarthen pilots here. Gammorrean guards here. Maybe one of our droids is a Sith agent? Maybe one of our own has stepped foot in the darkness? I was once a soldier and I know that there's no such thing as a secret base. Even the Rebel Alliance when they hid here ended up being discovered in the end anyways. That's why I've been working on strengthening our defenses. Secrecy is a good goal but it won't save us - it certainly didn't save Ajan Kloss. But planning and arms might."
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"That being said, I think Wetyin's Colony is a good a place as any for housing anybody in need who wishes to stay here."

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Isen had never spoken at an open Jedi meeting before. He had some ideas, but as a padawan, he kept his mouth shut. He felt like that was his place...even while other padawans were offering up advice to the masters like they were the legend Master Yoda himself bestowing great wisdom to the rest of the Order. As a padawan, he had certainly given his opinions to his master, Izel Thral. If she wanted to provide his input to the knights and masters, that was all well and good, but he didn't feel like it was his place.

That was then. Isen was a Jedi Knight now, and with the lack of masters, and even short on Council members, Isen felt like he had a rightful place to voice his thoughts, and for the first time in such a meeting, he gave his opinion. How they got into the situation they were in was irrelevant. The issue wasn't going away without some sort of action, and while there may be time to discuss those mistakes, Isen was here under the impression that this was going to be a solutions-based meeting.

"I don't think we should have brought refugees here either, but that doesn't change the fact that they are here. The dilemma is before us, and right now, I don't see how it matters how it happened. We have to deal with it." Isen shook his head. It was a sizeable dilemma indeed. "On the one hand, if we let the refugees go, the Sith will find this temple sooner. That's just that mathematics of it. Byron, you may be right. The Sith will probably find this temple one day, but that doesn't mean we should just hand maps in the form of refugees right into Sith hands. On other hand, if we hold those against their will, we're no better than the Sith who conquer planets and hold people captive."

Isen looked at some of the masters and Councilors that were present. "I don't know the first thing about how to do it, but in my studies as a youngling, I remember reading about the ability of Force users to take away memories...all of them or very specific ones. If we could wipe their memory of this temple and where it is...maybe we could have it both ways?"

Isen stood upright again, stoic as usual. He wondered if some would be a bit surprised that he spoke at all. He wondered which Jedi would try to pick his idea apart. Someone certainly would. But Isen was beyond that. If the Jedi were going to survive and prevent the Sith from conquering the galaxy, it was going to take a group effort, and Isen planned to be a part of it.


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There was a pressure headache building at the front of her skull, just above her eyes, that had Lena wishing, just for a moment, that she was a Knight again. If she was a Knight she could react as she wanted and have a little bit of a rant about the whole thing. But she had grown since she was a Knight and not just in rank but in maturity as well.

As much as she could rant about the issues that had been brought up by bringing the refugees to the Temple without so much as a Vague Idea as to what to do with them when they were there, it wouldn’t solve anything. It might help to assign blame but they were Jedi – blame didn’t matter so much as the results did and there was still chance to do something good with this. At the very least, debating that the situation shouldn’t have happened in the first place didn’t magically make the situation better.

Only actions did that.

Several Knights had made their opinions known, Byron offering a solution in terms of housing both in the short and longer term. Isen, as well, offered a potential solution though it was one that Lena found distasteful to say the least.

“Taking away memories is a very focus-intensive process that can take hours for a single person, making it impractical in the purely theoretical… and unethical in practice.” She countered Isen’s suggestion with a shake of her head, “I will not condone the selective memory wipes of civilians who have done us no harm and committed no crimes. Even if we made it a question we asked... What if someone didn’t agree? Would we lock them away? Do it regardless of consent? No, it is not an option I will entertain.”

Lena was going to need some painkillers after this.

“Byron has a good suggestion – as an established colony, however small, Wetyin’s Colony has advantages over starting an entirely new settlement. If we relocate the refugees to the colony, with the agreement of any locals, they can make their own decision as to what they do then. Some may opt to stay and others will not; we will facilitate both options as best we can.” She decided with a small frown, “As for the pilots, Drow? Integrate them into the defence force as they already work closely as it is; make it official that they are a joint force.”

The Council member looked at the three Knights assembled before he before speaking firmly.

“We must assume the Temple is already compromised.” She declared bluntly, “Those who fell on Denon traveled in their own ships with their astromechs. They are lost to the Sith; we must assume the Sith know of our location. Make sure that any and all refugees are informed of this when they are given the option of moving to Wetyin or off-planet.”


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"Thank you Master. And you too, Isen and Byron. I am sorry for any trouble my actions may have caused. Fighting is easy for me; I know what to do on the battlefield. But the other parts of being a Jedi? The negotiations? Keeping the peace? Saving people? I'm still learning and I only tried to do what I thought right at the time." Drow said solemnly and sincerely. He had only ever wanted to help those that the galaxy had abandoned.

"If it's worth anything, I don't think these refugees pose much of a security risk. The Sith don't care enough about refugees to realize they've come here in the first place and I doubt any of the refugees would be spiteful enough to want to see their friends who stay behind on Wetyin harmed in a Sith invasion. It might be wistful thinking but, then again, Master, you did once tell me that trying to see the best in people was always a commendable effort." Drow said, a little cheekily towards the end. He was sure he was about to get eviscerated for throwing a Council member's words back in their face but he was feeling a little emboldened by the fact that the problem having been resolved and that Lena hadn't stabbed him yet.

"I'll tell Tric about the new arrangements, then." Drow told Lena, referring to the Temple Security Force's captain. "As for the Temple being compromised, I do have faith in our new security measures but maybe it's time I sought more? A planetary shield could give us a nice edge if an attack did come."

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Byron's brow continued to furrow as he listened to Drow. His peer explained his point of view. But the Knight's actions spoke for themselves. He was focused on the warfighting aspects. It concerned him when Isen suggested holding them. He would have thought that not an option in the first place. But the memory alteration was something he had not considered. The extraction of information could be painful but altering...

A chill ran down the man's spine as he thought about it before Lena mentioned the shortcomings of using such a technique. She seemed to say it well enough. These days the Jedi was trying to keep not exert himself too greatly and save his strength for healing.

The Ishitib's perspective was set from a combative place. That much was clear. Yet it was one he could understand. Byron gave a murmur of agreement when the Councilor suggested they consider the temple already compromised. "...or maybe the secret bases are the ones you've never heard of because they remained secret..." Byron said as a matter of fact.

Looking towards Lena again, Byron could see the Jedi Master was in pain. His gaze dropped to the edge of his left knee for a moment. The Knight had remained sitting so far though others felt it necessary to stand during this. Below Byron's left knee was the beginning of the cybernetic prosthesis. It had its own pains that came with it, unique to him but still share by many others. In spite of that he had concerns about techniques besides memory wiping. "Master Goordayr. On Denon, there was a young girl I fought. She came through a portal of some kind. I think it's possible the Sith have the capability for traveling across the stars instantaneously. I've heard of witches being capable of teleporting...do you know anything that could help?" His worried that if the Sith could travel to the opposite side of the galaxy unopposed and in vast numbers than they would be an indominable foe.

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It's a good thing that Isen's poker face was basically on all the time. He didn't give anything away, but what was just told partly confused him and partly infuriated him. Still, he managed to stand upright, his face completely devoid of emotion. Despite that, at the very least, he felt there should be some clarification.

"Two questions. If we believe that the location of our temple here on Yavin has already been compromised due to losing droids on Denon or the Sith knowing we're here is a foregone conclusion in the near term, why are we deciding at all what happens to the refugees? We're sitting here talking about how we will do this or will do that for them. We talk about how we won't do this or won't do that to them. I suppose asking them what they want is also something we won't do?"

While Isen's tone and facial expressions would remain neutral, it would appear by his last inquiry that his questions would not.

"Second...if we really believe the Sith either have our location or we are sure that they will have our location imminently, why are we not all at stations working to fortify the temple or evaculating to one of these so-called secret bases people keep talking about?" Isen wasn't opposed to looking people in the eye, even with pointed questions and comments if anyone was looking at him. "I'll be honest. If we believe the location of the temple is compromised, after Ajan Kloss, I find the lack of urgency...unsettling."


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Lena wasn’t in the best of moods to start with but she was rapidly beginning to think that this meeting had not been thought out at all. It seemed as though Drow had, indeed, just expected his suggestions to be accepted, though the Knight was doing an admirable job of accepting criticism that he found to be valid and fair. She had dealt with a lot of different people who weren’t willing to adapt their own ideas like that, a wearisome amount it had to be said.

“It is not wise to assume you know the mind of the enemy.”
She cautioned Drow before adding, “A planetary shield could, indeed, become very useful in the days to come.”

Her cautioning against the memory wipes seemed to have struck a chord with Byron but Isen himself seemed completely nonplussed by the practical and ethical implications of what he had suggested. The mention of portals was… disturbing to say the least however. She had not heard much about such things in the past and that, in itself, was not unexpected. Lena was a healer by profession and the mysteries of technology and Force techniques that dealt with the manipulation of space were, frankly, not something she had ever heard of.

“That is concerning Byron – do you recall anything else about the portal itself? If you have regained enough of your mobility, I would ask that you see if you can spearhead the investigation into this unsettling phenomena.”
She asked of the Knight with a concerned frown, “The archives may have some data but I’m afraid my own studies have not prepared me for such a situation.”

Isen?

“Your first question I believe has already been answered to an extent but to clarify – we will offer them a choice between resettling or moving along and we shall assist them with either decision. The Temple being discovered is not a reason to attempt to wash our hands of responsibility for their welfare regardless of how they came to be here. They will be informed of all we know when they are presented with the choices we have managed to make available to them, they will then have the ability to choose. As for the lack of haste or panic?” She smiled ever so slightly, “If this is your way of asking if you can be informed, personally, of said bases then you should have said so; on Dantooine we have an old Rebel Alliance base and Tython we have a small Temple, the Tython temple still in need of some modernization I’m afraid. We currently are in talks with Chalacta, New Alderaan and Ossus as well.”

Her face pinched ever so slightly.

“Chalacta and New Alderaan were driven by Tionson – though I believe Masters Sati and Voran have taken over the progress on those fronts.”
She admitted before nodding to the Knight, “But we are making movement toward those bases, we just have logistics that need to be taken care of first. Informing everyone and beginning a mass exodus would risk panic and haste; neither of which would be good for the Order or for the process of moving our entire Order to different locations across the Galaxy safely. I understand your concern, that you could believe nothing was being done, but I can assure you that we are working toward those goals but we are doing so as calmly as we can. If you believe Yavin should be further bolstered, please work together with Drow to ensure that is the case.”


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"Those more secret bases could be a good option to move some of the younglings and younger Padawans to if they're not being evacuated already. In the meantime, I'll get to work looking for a shield generator. I hope that can help make up for any harm I might have done by bringing the Utapauans here. And I'm happy to have help doing it." Drow said, nodding a bit cheekily to Isen and Byron.

"Thank you again, Master. And I'm sorry again for any migraines I might have caused." Drow said. If Lena had no more to say to him, he'd respectfully bow his head and go about informing both the refugees of the changed situations and his Security Force and the Pamarthan pilots about their joint operations they'd now be conducting.

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Well, the response from the Jedi Council member was rather dismissive, and it was clear she wasn't really listening. She was stressed, he guessed. At what point did he say he wanted to wash his hands of responsibility of the refugees? Because he thought that maybe their opinion should count for something?

It was also obvious that Isen had not spent a lot of time with many of the masters and the Jedi Council. There was a clear disconnect between Isen's concerns and how Master Goordayr had interpreted his comments and questions. It was nobody's fault, really. Isen had a nasty habit of meaning exactly what he said, and often didn't bother trying to fluff it with tact. Most people didn't communicate that way.

"I apologize for the confusion on multiple fronts. I'm not communicating my intent well. That was not my way of asking where any secret locations were, Master Goordayr," Isen said flatly. "If I wanted to know the location of the bases, I would have the respect to ask for the location of the bases. If you say that the Order is in process of transferring from Yavin to one or more locations, then that answers my question." He wouldn't bother with the notion that he didn't care about the refugees. How anybody could come to that conclusion was beyond him, really. He offered the memory wipe as a means to protect them as much as protecting the temple.

Of course, there was still some concern with the answer that was given. If the Council thought the Jedi would panic at the notion of needing to move quickly, that was less than a glowing recommendation for the Order as a whole. And even if they would panic, Isen certainly thought the people Jedi on Yavin had a right to know that they were in danger. But, that wasn't his call to make. He didn't have to agree to accept the decisions of those in authority.

He bowed to Master Goordayr and said, "Thank you for listening, Master Goordayr." He nodded to Byron. "Byron." He looked at both of them. "I'll leave you two to it. Have a good day."

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