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(((DC Thought Bomb is a) an ability that requires the focused efforts of many individuals and, more importantly b) not allowed on this site...)))

((I was wondering about that.. and no way A-21 would survive that.. lol))
 

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(OOC: From the way it was RPed, I'd consider it powerful manifestation of Force Repulse, not a thought bomb. Not to mention he spent enough time gathering strength for it, five days OOC to be exact, that sufficient RP of Jedi defenses could have prevented it; there is a reason he called the Jedi incompetent. No one said a thing when he disappeared and ran past the majority of your defenses. There should have been a lot more than one Master arriving just as he was ready to release it.

On edit: Agree that A-21 should probably be dead, lol.)
 

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OoC: This close to the end of the timeline, I don't think it matters who wins/loses or how they do it. Most of the people fighting aren't even really in it because they're thinking about the new timeline. I think it's just for future ref that something like Thought Bomb isn't allowed on the site. 'Sides, it's awesome that practically everyone dies. Fitting end.
 

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(OOC: What's thought bomb?)
 

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((I just never posted because Trellheim ignored my post completely, figured it'd only happen again :) ))
 

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OOC: That was not Thought Bomb people. Thought Bomb when created is a physical object. What Dark Cloud did was draw as much of the Force inward of possible after his character and then released it in a powerful shockwave. Andreus is closer to the mark by calling it a super version of Force Repluse.
 

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OoC: I don't think any attacks that can insta-kill multiple PCs is allowed.
 

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((I just never posted because Trellheim ignored my post completely, figured it'd only happen again :) ))


((OOC: Oh wow Rev, I never even noticed you attacked me. My b, me and Mars planned AFTER that to at it. :S I will pay more attention next time... ))
 

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OoC: I don't think any attacks that can insta-kill multiple PCs is allowed.
OOC: He has not instant killed anyone. Nowhere in his post does his say character X,Y,Z were killed.
 

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OoC: I don't think any attacks that can insta-kill multiple PCs is allowed.

OOC: I find a problem with this logic.

Say we have a Star Destroyer chasing a light freighter such as a YT-1300. Unfortunately, the pilot of the YT is too stupid to take advantage of its maneuverability and out-track the Star Destroyer's guns. Instead, he flies in a straight line, dead ahead, to try to outrun the Star Destroyer. (This can be directly compared to the near-complete lack of RPing defenses on the Jedi side, btw.)

The YT is carrying multiple PCs.

So the Star Destroyer's commander takes advantage of the YT pilot's ignorance of his ship's defenses (namely maneuverability), and said Star Destroyer commander fires his heaviest turbolaser battery. Because the YT is stupidly flying in a very predictable line with no angular velocity for the guns to track whatsoever, said heavy turbolaser battery hits and vaporizes the freighter.

Under your theory, such an attack would not be allowed because it insta-kills multiple PCs. Even though there's nothing really wrong with it.

Yeah, I can think of powers that are overpowered, like thought bomb, but what DC did ain't really it. You had plenty of opportunity to RP defense, but did very little, and allowed him to slip through and build up energy for his attack.
 

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OOC:

Hey guys guess what.

Stop arguing about it, honestly. Half of who are posting here now weren't even involved with the thread. Not saying Nexus or someone like him has no business for posting (which he did) but most of us know that his attack wasn't saying we all had to die. Depending where you were and how far you were from DC is all that really matters.
 

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OOC: I looked up thought bomb on Wookieepedia. Bad ass power but it doesn't look like my move at all. What I did was indeed like a huge ass repulse and I didn't say that everyone died. I said I destroyed the temple and so the Bogan practically won this fight. Plus, there was no-one around to stop me, while you've had your chances lol. I could just sneak into the COUNCIL CHAMBERS of the Temple XD lol

Just wanted to clarify this, not looking for a discussion =P
Decide for yourself if you survived this, and if you did, have fun in the thread if you want to continue. But with the temple's destruction I still believe that (for what it's worth) we -- the Bogan Empire -- have won this battle.
 

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OoC: Charge up or not, one hit kills are pretty much NEVER allowed without the victim being given a chance to defend. I found this out the hard way. I'm speaking from experience here. So chill out. On top of that, like Horizon said, no one was paying attention to this battle and no one gave a damn. That's why I'm saying it's fine here and now, but for FUTURE REF one hit kills are a big no no. I'm pretty sure in a real fight, DC wouldn't have been ignored anyway. I talked to the people in the fight (as I myself hadn't been paying attention), and literally no one on the Jedi side took this battle seriously because it's for shits and giggles. So seriously, cut the stupid arguing because it's pointless and not worth it.
 
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OoC: Charge up or not, one hit kills are pretty much NEVER allowed without the victim being given a chance to defend. I found this out the hard way. I'm speaking from experience here. So chill out. On top of that, like Horizon said, no one was paying attention to this battle and no one gave a damn. That's why I'm saying it's fine here and now, but for FUTURE REF one hit kills are a big no no. I'm pretty sure in a real fight, DC wouldn't have been ignored anyway. I talked to the people in the fight (as I myself hadn't been paying attention), and literally no one took this battle seriously because it's for shits and giggles. So seriously, cut the stupid arguing because it's pointless and not worth it.
OOC: The only one getting worked up about anything is you right here in this post.
 

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OOC: The only one getting worked up about anything is you right here in this post.

Right you are. I keep being dragged to this stupid thread and it's getting on my nerves. :CIsee
 

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Right you are. I keep being dragged to this stupid thread and it's getting on my nerves. :CIsee
OOC: Yes and I don't see any reason why you do. Nexus said Thought bombs not allowed and we clarified that this was not a thought bomb. You said no instant kills (which is not the correct term since every weapon is an instant kill in Star Wars really. Auto kill: where you RP the death of another character without their consent. Is what I believe you mean) which again we clarified was not what occured. Horizon and you have made posts telling us to stop arguing, but really there has been no argument. You're simply creating your own headache here by getting worked up over nothing.
 

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OOC: Yes and I don't see any reason why you do. Nexus said Thought bombs not allowed and we clarified that this was not a thought bomb. You said no instant kills (which is not the correct term since every weapon is an instant kill in Star Wars really. Auto kill: where you RP the death of another character without their consent. Is what I believe you mean) which again we clarified was not what occured. Horizon and you have made posts telling us to stop arguing, but really there has been no argument. You're simply creating your own headache here by getting worked up over nothing.

Aren't you being a bit hypocritical right now? Autokill/Insta-kill, is it really THAT big of a deal which term I use? You got what I meant right away, all that matters. Don't get your panties in a bunch pl0x. I was also addressing Dei Aidan who brought up the whole "I don't agree with no insta kills thing" and the constant reprimands for Jedi being incompetent, which I addressed by reminding him that it was true, only because no one was paying attention to it. I don't care about what occurred HERE IN THIS THREAD. All I was trying to say is that stuff like this would be under a lot of heat if it occurs in a real setting (as in a battle to take srsly), so at most it was just to caution people for the future. I even admitted to flying off the handle a bit, but now YOU'RE the one prodding at it for no reason. I'm willing to drop this if you are. :)
 

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Aren't you being a bit hypocritical right now? Autokill/Insta-kill, is it really THAT big of a deal which term I use? You got what I meant right away, all that matters. Don't get your panties in a bunch pl0x. I was also addressing Dei Aidan who brought up the whole "I don't agree with no insta kills thing" and the constant reprimands for Jedi being incompetent, which I addressed by reminding him that it was true, only because no one was paying attention to it. I don't care about what occurred HERE IN THIS THREAD. All I was trying to say is that stuff like this would be under a lot of heat if it occurs in a real setting (as in a battle to take srsly), so at most it was just to caution people for the future. I even admitted to flying off the handle a bit, but now YOU'RE the one prodding at it for no reason. I'm willing to drop this if you are. :)

OOC: So how WOULD you deal with the situation I proposed? Would the Star Destroyer be magically forbidden from firing its weapons because they might be strong enough to one-shot a ship with multiple PCs on it if the pilot makes no attempt at evasive action?

I get that this wasn't a "srs bsns" thread. However, the rigidity of what you propose concerning no multi-PC-with-one-attack kills concerns me, especially when RPing battles in places where explosions do have a nasty tendency to be unsurvivable for everyone on board. It substitutes a rigid, one-size-fits-all rule for actually RPing a defense.

(Also, concerning the gtfo because I wasn't involved argument...I actually gave DC the idea, so ofc I feel obliged to defend it.)
 
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I have an idea! How about everyone who wants to discuss this takes the discussion elsewhere and those who don't want to discuss this just stop discussing/don't join the discussion. That'd be cool, right? =)
 

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I have an idea! How about everyone who wants to discuss this takes the discussion elsewhere and those who don't want to discuss this just stop discussing/don't join the discussion. That'd be cool, right? =)
It is to late! We are caught in a vicious cycle of post and counter post!
 
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