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Oh, and might I say that this thread has brought me a few hours of entertainment. I thank you all for your time.
Attn: Are there any anti Coterie Loyalists?
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Oh, and might I say that this thread has brought me a few hours of entertainment. I thank you all for your time.
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If you're not a Sith or you're not interested in actually participating, get out of this thread. You're embarrassing yourselves at this point and looking incredibly petty, especially when all this thread is about is trying to bring more activity to the site. Something I know a lot of you whine and moan about behind the scenes, then don't do anything about, then invariably blame the staff about.
So please. If you're not going to actually contribute to this discussion, then get out.
So please. If you're not going to actually contribute to this discussion, then get out.
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I'm not sure if this a constructive post, but I decided to risk it.
A 'problem' that several people seem to have gotten upset about is other people choosing 'neutrality'. Now, I do not have a Sith character, but if I had, I imagine that my perspective would be something like this...
Yes, it is true that staff members are not and should not be responsible for advancing one's story. However, when someone decides to do a large scale plot with a PC, in which they suggest that my character should be involved, that person becomes responsible for the plot. They are not directly responsible for my character, but are somewhat responsible for writing an interesting plot.
Now, I may not know that person. How can I trust them that they'll help make the plot an awesome thing, instead of a boring one? Especially if they haven't been active recently? I don't know. So I may feel hesitant to just officially jump on their side.
A-anyway. I guess what I want to say is that, in roleplaying, loyalty is most surely gained by writing. Why not start writing and win people over with that, instead of forcing them to pick a side from beforehand?
I hope I haven't upset people. *curls under blanket*
A 'problem' that several people seem to have gotten upset about is other people choosing 'neutrality'. Now, I do not have a Sith character, but if I had, I imagine that my perspective would be something like this...
Yes, it is true that staff members are not and should not be responsible for advancing one's story. However, when someone decides to do a large scale plot with a PC, in which they suggest that my character should be involved, that person becomes responsible for the plot. They are not directly responsible for my character, but are somewhat responsible for writing an interesting plot.
Now, I may not know that person. How can I trust them that they'll help make the plot an awesome thing, instead of a boring one? Especially if they haven't been active recently? I don't know. So I may feel hesitant to just officially jump on their side.
A-anyway. I guess what I want to say is that, in roleplaying, loyalty is most surely gained by writing. Why not start writing and win people over with that, instead of forcing them to pick a side from beforehand?
I hope I haven't upset people. *curls under blanket*
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I'm very confused, Zee. Are you talking to anyone specifically here? Because my question doesn't apply to my PC. My question applies to who is going to be involved in the Sith war overall. Has very little to do with wtf my character personally feels like doing. I think I'll change the title so it stops being confusing.. the question here is loyalty to empire vs. loyalty to some off shoot group which has killing my PC as the main goal.
But if that's not what you were referring to, disregard my reply :)
But if that's not what you were referring to, disregard my reply :)
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I'm sure that you haven't upset anyone Zee, because you make a valid point. Though, from what I gather from Sreeya's opening post in this thread is that she is in fact going to be doing that. And in a big way. This thread in a nutshell is her attempting to reach out to people to gauge their interest in becoming a part of what she is cooking up.
I'm sure that roleplaying a character such as Andraste requires a bit more finesse in choosing the plot of a thread and it is IMHO something that needs more direction than your average upstart character. There can be little joy found in writing a simple thread with such an important and complex character. She won't be doing much intermingling with the standard Sith even, as frankly I see it as beneath her as a Character. Not the writer. There needs to be real purpose for a thread to take place.
I speak from experience that Sreeya is willing to take part in RPs and gain those loyalists. As I've reached out to her regarding a plot line for my Matukai and his downfall. Which, she has agreed to help me with and in turn will gain a loyal follower, despite my characters current situation. Which, will be changing soon as I'll be getting the ball rolling tonight on. I've found it increasingly difficult lately to roleplay my character and what she is helping me with will bring a much needed spark to Ar'Rhan that I'm really needing right now.
So, it's like the Bee said. We must find our own drive and motivation for our characters. Which I'm trying to do in order to get back to regular posting, as I'd fallen stagnant with the character not fitting what I really wanted to write about. So, I'm remeding that problem. Helping myself out and giving Sreeya a chance to gain a loyal follower. Despite his reservations against it.
I'm sure that roleplaying a character such as Andraste requires a bit more finesse in choosing the plot of a thread and it is IMHO something that needs more direction than your average upstart character. There can be little joy found in writing a simple thread with such an important and complex character. She won't be doing much intermingling with the standard Sith even, as frankly I see it as beneath her as a Character. Not the writer. There needs to be real purpose for a thread to take place.
I speak from experience that Sreeya is willing to take part in RPs and gain those loyalists. As I've reached out to her regarding a plot line for my Matukai and his downfall. Which, she has agreed to help me with and in turn will gain a loyal follower, despite my characters current situation. Which, will be changing soon as I'll be getting the ball rolling tonight on. I've found it increasingly difficult lately to roleplay my character and what she is helping me with will bring a much needed spark to Ar'Rhan that I'm really needing right now.
So, it's like the Bee said. We must find our own drive and motivation for our characters. Which I'm trying to do in order to get back to regular posting, as I'd fallen stagnant with the character not fitting what I really wanted to write about. So, I'm remeding that problem. Helping myself out and giving Sreeya a chance to gain a loyal follower. Despite his reservations against it.
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Ah, with the new thread title - which makes things much clearer - I can change my answer.
My character, Ugniss Vexil, is a member of the Coterie and harbors a strong grudge against the Empress who he sees to be someone who has weakened the Empire with her erratic behavior, which lead to the destruction of his business empire on Coruscant when she decided to destroy it. He would very much like to see a Galaxy without the Empress, but is not really wanting to see a Galaxy without an Empire.
He ultimately is in it for himself, he wants to be powerful, he wants to be rich. If the Coterie fails in achieving what he wants then he will align himself with someone else.
In short - he is pro-coterie, in so long as they continue to be of use. The Empress dying is something he probably day dreams about.
As an aside: @Sreeya, you have done an awesome job with Andraste, and from an OOC perspective, I think she is one of the best written characters on the site. IC'ly, she is insane, dangerous and evil, and needs to be removed.
My character, Ugniss Vexil, is a member of the Coterie and harbors a strong grudge against the Empress who he sees to be someone who has weakened the Empire with her erratic behavior, which lead to the destruction of his business empire on Coruscant when she decided to destroy it. He would very much like to see a Galaxy without the Empress, but is not really wanting to see a Galaxy without an Empire.
He ultimately is in it for himself, he wants to be powerful, he wants to be rich. If the Coterie fails in achieving what he wants then he will align himself with someone else.
In short - he is pro-coterie, in so long as they continue to be of use. The Empress dying is something he probably day dreams about.
As an aside: @Sreeya, you have done an awesome job with Andraste, and from an OOC perspective, I think she is one of the best written characters on the site. IC'ly, she is insane, dangerous and evil, and needs to be removed.
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Alright... so where were the Jedi when Sreeya was AFK for a third of the time since the timeskip? The inactivity of the Jedi has been an endemic problem, pretending that somehow the threat of her bringing in her Plot-Op-Powered character to fight back is nil specifically because Sreeya doesn't use her in battles and conflicts because of Andraste's OP nature. By the site rules and agreements and her own integrity she does not insta-kill people and does not take part in battles that do not have a plot driven purpose and an end. And again, there have been plenty of opportunities for the Jedi to enter threads and combat the Imperium in a fair fight where there was no risk of an "insta kill" and other hyperbolic platitudes. They were offered. They were just never taken.
Just my two cents. Seems silly to be pointing at Sreeya for the blame on inaction of a faction she has nothing to do with for reasons that are not relevant to any thread or example you care to name due to the reasons listed above.
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Now, in regards to the Coterie I'm hoping to have Vereor speak with Andraste and see what comes of it in an organic way. She's most certainly dangerous and a threat to the wider galaxy based on the almost Nihilus like way her power is overcoming people and worlds, but I'd like to see what can come of some organic conversation and action in regards to what course of action Vereor will take. Given their history, it's certainly likely that he will have some great concern over the course things have taken.
Cheers.
-- Your Friendly Neighborhood Reptilian Dark Lord.
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I was ninja'd, and Wanderer's post made so much sense that I decided not to keep my earlier one.
To Hopeless Wanderer: You're right. Very right. But I feel that there needs to be a balance between what makes sense IC, and OOC. Even if it wouldn't make sense for higher-ups like the Empress to interract with everyone, loyalty (ic) still has to be earned (ooc). And for that I feel that writing is the best solution. Even if it's just an announcement, or even if my hypothetical inexistent Sith isn't by far involved in that thread...I could still read how the plot starts/goes, and see if it's interesting or not, and then decide whether to have my character join instead of going on with my own plots like...practicing evil laugher, juggling lightsabers and such. I guess that IC tends to convince me more than OOC often enough.
Then again, I might be an oddball.
To Hopeless Wanderer: You're right. Very right. But I feel that there needs to be a balance between what makes sense IC, and OOC. Even if it wouldn't make sense for higher-ups like the Empress to interract with everyone, loyalty (ic) still has to be earned (ooc). And for that I feel that writing is the best solution. Even if it's just an announcement, or even if my hypothetical inexistent Sith isn't by far involved in that thread...I could still read how the plot starts/goes, and see if it's interesting or not, and then decide whether to have my character join instead of going on with my own plots like...practicing evil laugher, juggling lightsabers and such. I guess that IC tends to convince me more than OOC often enough.
Then again, I might be an oddball.
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If anyone is worried about there being an overwhelming quantity of 'neutrals' as opposed to strictly loyalists vs Coterie/Jedi, I want to let you guys know that there may be more loyalists and others than this thread may suggest. We just have to come out of the wood-work.
My Character, Arkteleus Krayzen is a hardcore Loyalist! And his IC reasons are very solid, and there is no way in the Force that he will change that, even if the Coterie ends up succeeding.
And I think that part of the reason that some of these loyalists/others haven't shown themselves here, is because those are the individuals that are most active in their own storylines, and are hence busy enough that seeing this thread will take a bit more time. I'm sure that by next Wed, that this thread will be full of decisive characters. After all, it took me 2 long days to get to this thread? -IK, Wishful thinking ;)
However, I do see an issue that is in the root of a problem that plagues many writers: is that their characters' IC motivations were too weak to be followed/or got forgotten somewhere along the way. Some of us may have lost touch with our characters' drives in this timeline. What is your character here for? Is this just an advancement game for your character? If so, then what happens when you become a Master and there is nothing left to advance upon? Character Drives help to build (and Weisse talked a bit about this in a separate thread) individual story arcs that create a bigger plot or bigger goal for your character.
Maybe I'm flat out wrong (nervous shrug), but I think that if you're going to enjoy RPing more, that you need to evaluate your character once more and ask yourself, what drives this character? What's the ultimate goal? How easy is that goal to achieve? If I become a Master (or Lord, Darth, Dark Lord, Emperor-ess), then what is my character going to use their powers for? Or am I going to lose interest, create another character and abandon that one, or worse, will I leave the site out of boredom?
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Now, I don't think that this is directly what Sreeya is trying to get at, but I think it will help her ultimate goal.
The sad truth is that the vast majority of us will never have to pick a side before this all comes to a close, but ICly, your character will eventually find themselves heavily influenced by the outcome of these events! And I want to guarantee that none of our characters will die as a result of these events (unless we do something stupid somewhere along the way), because the point is to create an awesome and involved story with the help of all of our characters, utilizing their personal drives to advance this story. So there is no IC or OOC threat of losing your character...
SO I urge you to look at what drives your character (even if it doesn't coincide with what you originally intended their drive to be when you first wrote their profile), and ask your character what that drives means for them: Does is put them as a Loyalist or as a Coterie supporter (or other)? Is your character even in the right Faction?!
Obviously this decision isn't black and white, and there are a number of characters that have good IC reason for being neutral or for being wherever they currently are, but I'd like to think that if YOU were your character, you'd make sacrifices to your personal beliefs just to pick a side that best suits your character's personal desires/goals. Similar to you picking a friend to go to the movies with: You want to ultimately enjoy the movie, but you can only take one friend. One talks more and will ultimately get in the way of you enjoying your movie, so you take the other, despite being a better friend with the talker. You make compromise for your ultimate goal.
Don't be afraid to pick a side, because you fear that side will lose, or because you don't know how this will ultimately effect your character. I guarantee you that your character will benefit form jumping into the unknown of other writers' thoughts, ideas, plot twists, etc. It is similar to going into a pvp situation and getting an arm lopped off. Obviously you don't want that to happen to your perfect character, but look back o that thread a month or two later, and you say that experience was better for your character, and now you have a cool go-go-gadget arm instead!
To Summarize:
- This thread is fairly new, and there may be more decisive characters that just haven't gotten to this thread yet, and there may be less neutrals than loyalists/coterie. (I hope anyway)
- Writers need to take a look at their characters and find out what drives them so that they don't eventually become uninterested in their RPs.
- When you figure out what drives your character, make a realistic choice for your character as to what side they might pick, if any (because choices aren't black and white, but compromises are often made irl).
- Don't be afraid to make a decision, because it will ultimately make your character's personal story more fun for you and the entire Faction as a whole.
My Character, Arkteleus Krayzen is a hardcore Loyalist! And his IC reasons are very solid, and there is no way in the Force that he will change that, even if the Coterie ends up succeeding.
And I think that part of the reason that some of these loyalists/others haven't shown themselves here, is because those are the individuals that are most active in their own storylines, and are hence busy enough that seeing this thread will take a bit more time. I'm sure that by next Wed, that this thread will be full of decisive characters. After all, it took me 2 long days to get to this thread? -IK, Wishful thinking ;)
However, I do see an issue that is in the root of a problem that plagues many writers: is that their characters' IC motivations were too weak to be followed/or got forgotten somewhere along the way. Some of us may have lost touch with our characters' drives in this timeline. What is your character here for? Is this just an advancement game for your character? If so, then what happens when you become a Master and there is nothing left to advance upon? Character Drives help to build (and Weisse talked a bit about this in a separate thread) individual story arcs that create a bigger plot or bigger goal for your character.
Maybe I'm flat out wrong (nervous shrug), but I think that if you're going to enjoy RPing more, that you need to evaluate your character once more and ask yourself, what drives this character? What's the ultimate goal? How easy is that goal to achieve? If I become a Master (or Lord, Darth, Dark Lord, Emperor-ess), then what is my character going to use their powers for? Or am I going to lose interest, create another character and abandon that one, or worse, will I leave the site out of boredom?
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Now, I don't think that this is directly what Sreeya is trying to get at, but I think it will help her ultimate goal.
The sad truth is that the vast majority of us will never have to pick a side before this all comes to a close, but ICly, your character will eventually find themselves heavily influenced by the outcome of these events! And I want to guarantee that none of our characters will die as a result of these events (unless we do something stupid somewhere along the way), because the point is to create an awesome and involved story with the help of all of our characters, utilizing their personal drives to advance this story. So there is no IC or OOC threat of losing your character...
SO I urge you to look at what drives your character (even if it doesn't coincide with what you originally intended their drive to be when you first wrote their profile), and ask your character what that drives means for them: Does is put them as a Loyalist or as a Coterie supporter (or other)? Is your character even in the right Faction?!
Obviously this decision isn't black and white, and there are a number of characters that have good IC reason for being neutral or for being wherever they currently are, but I'd like to think that if YOU were your character, you'd make sacrifices to your personal beliefs just to pick a side that best suits your character's personal desires/goals. Similar to you picking a friend to go to the movies with: You want to ultimately enjoy the movie, but you can only take one friend. One talks more and will ultimately get in the way of you enjoying your movie, so you take the other, despite being a better friend with the talker. You make compromise for your ultimate goal.
Don't be afraid to pick a side, because you fear that side will lose, or because you don't know how this will ultimately effect your character. I guarantee you that your character will benefit form jumping into the unknown of other writers' thoughts, ideas, plot twists, etc. It is similar to going into a pvp situation and getting an arm lopped off. Obviously you don't want that to happen to your perfect character, but look back o that thread a month or two later, and you say that experience was better for your character, and now you have a cool go-go-gadget arm instead!
To Summarize:
- This thread is fairly new, and there may be more decisive characters that just haven't gotten to this thread yet, and there may be less neutrals than loyalists/coterie. (I hope anyway)
- Writers need to take a look at their characters and find out what drives them so that they don't eventually become uninterested in their RPs.
- When you figure out what drives your character, make a realistic choice for your character as to what side they might pick, if any (because choices aren't black and white, but compromises are often made irl).
- Don't be afraid to make a decision, because it will ultimately make your character's personal story more fun for you and the entire Faction as a whole.
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I couldn't agree more with you on that. Though, I myself take her willingness to post a thread like this as a notifier that she'd be active and trustworthy to be around for the long haul. As most of us generally are when looking to create threads and develop stories. Though, like in any situation. Sometimes RL takes precedence and pulls us away, or saps the joy out of writing a character. Which, is the case with me. Ar'Rhan has been a struggle to write for and I'm fixing it, because I'm still here. Just was lacking the drive and motivation for him in his current form.
So, while I agree with you. You must also put faith in others to follow through. Despite, the possibility that a thread could fall to the wayside. Because one way or another, you can work around a character that disappears from a thread.
Andraste is going to be assisting Ar'Rhan in achieving his goal. One that will garner unquestionable loyalty from him. That is his motivation for being a loyalist to the Empire. It's simple. She will be giving something that I doubt anyone else could.
So, while I agree with you. You must also put faith in others to follow through. Despite, the possibility that a thread could fall to the wayside. Because one way or another, you can work around a character that disappears from a thread.
Andraste is going to be assisting Ar'Rhan in achieving his goal. One that will garner unquestionable loyalty from him. That is his motivation for being a loyalist to the Empire. It's simple. She will be giving something that I doubt anyone else could.
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*peaks in*
New guy here. Or - newer than almost the entire line-up that has weighed in so far.
I mean jeez just look at my post count and join date . . . on second thought, don't, I'm embarrassed.
I made the terrible mistake of driving my own characters into the ground through inactivity and poor decision making on my part. To avoid that happening again, I'm going to try and get in on this.
if only because the Empress embodies what Basca would want to be some day - she'd be a loyalist. The Sith pulled her from pit fights and showed her she could be more than some prize fighter for slavers and helped her tap into her potential. That's not to say she wouldn't some day want to try and usurp the current power structure once everything current is settled with the current fiasco, but if the choice is between Andraste and those who want to put her in the ground then the choice is obvious.
Loyalists, hooooooooooooooooooooo!
New guy here. Or - newer than almost the entire line-up that has weighed in so far.
I mean jeez just look at my post count and join date . . . on second thought, don't, I'm embarrassed.
I made the terrible mistake of driving my own characters into the ground through inactivity and poor decision making on my part. To avoid that happening again, I'm going to try and get in on this.
if only because the Empress embodies what Basca would want to be some day - she'd be a loyalist. The Sith pulled her from pit fights and showed her she could be more than some prize fighter for slavers and helped her tap into her potential. That's not to say she wouldn't some day want to try and usurp the current power structure once everything current is settled with the current fiasco, but if the choice is between Andraste and those who want to put her in the ground then the choice is obvious.
Loyalists, hooooooooooooooooooooo!
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