Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Not even surprised.

Snyder is rumoured to return.

I'm not sure if I even care anymore.
 

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The only way I would watch it if is Joseph Godron-Levitt plays Batman and continues on with where the Dark Knight Rises left off.

I never cared much for Superman.
 

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Superman, while a "good" character, is not a good character, in my opinion. If that makes sense.
 

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Superman, while a "good" character, is not a good character, in my opinion. If that makes sense.


I can't relate to Superman at all. It's easier for me to relate to Batman and Iron Man than Superman.
 

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I can't relate to Superman at all. It's easier for me to relate to Batman and Iron Man than Superman.

That's actually a very good point.

Too often people equate their own inability to relate to the character of Superman with him actually being unrelatable.

With the right writer and the right story, almost any character can be made to be relatable, or at the very least, interesting enough for an audience to become invested in them and their narrative. Superman/Clark Kent/Kal El have just had their fair share of horrendous writers and terrible stories.

I too find it difficult to even remotely care about him as a character.
 

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Superman is very interesting. He's a demigod alien who is more human than most people. He loves to light the Christmas tree when he's back home in Smallville for the holidays and won't even let his dad do it (because it's *his* job.) He's a bit old-fashioned, but he enjoys hip-hop. His fashion sense leaves a lot to be desired, but he's sharp and a great reporter. He has a soft spot for the underdog. He's more of a dog guy than a cat person. He *loves* junk food. He won't ever kill, and hunting's out the question for him, but he's a great fisherman. He takes responsibility for things and for people because it's right and lets people think the worst of him because he can shoulder that burden. He can be biting and cynical but he believes in people; no one gets under his skin, though some (Darkseid, Luthor) get close. He's a terrible driver (not a lot practice) even though he has those Kryptonian reflexes. He loves b-movies. Though in the real-world he'd actually talk down the Tokyo destroying megalizard; because he's kind and because he knows what it's like to be scary to people.

And he's a symbol yeah. But he's also human. He gets scared. First time he went to go see a burn victim at a hospital he actually nearly puked. Sometimes he has a crisis of faith. He's not denominational, but he might believe in something. Or not. It goes back and forth. Superman is us. The punching of bald mad scientists and lifting of buildings and outracing of powerful locomotives are only externalized and stylized representations of goals that we all aspire to.

tl;dr I love Superman as a character. I love him for what he represents. The idea that he's not relatable, or is boring, or has to be grimdark is a disservice to a character that made me smile many times throughout my life.

He's not disinteresting. He's not one-dimensional. He's not a bird nor a plane. He's Superman!
 

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Oh I've no doubt that it's going to be shit (doubly so because now the two greatest icons in superheroes are going to get ruined simultaneously) though I suppose probability induces me to say that it *might* not be utter crap. I just don't get people who think Superman is boring or whatever. Don't like the character, fine. But at least engage him on his (obvious) merits.
 

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As far as I can tell they've just got the image of him being boring thanks to a bunch of hack writers and shitty explanations and explorations of his character.

I'm just not interested.
 

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They're actually doing a Superman Batman movie..?

I may vomit...
 

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But... Batman is old in The Dark Knight Returns, aren't they rushing into this a bit fast?
 

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Not to mention that The Dark Knight Returns is a piece of shit and **** Frank Miller the only good thing he did was his Daredevil run and parts of Year One and also he's a rancid sexist chauvinistic piece of shit who can't write worth a damn anymore.

Add to that Goyer's hackery, and it's like having an arsonist build a fire exit from ACME blueprints.
 
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I don't know how much they'll be using from The Dark Knight Returns, unless it's a continuation of the Nolanverse and Christian Bale's Batman is part of the greater DCU. What they alluded to was the "one man who beat you" line, so maybe that's what they're going for.
 

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Coming from someone who does not care all that much about Superman, I look forward to this.

What I do not look forward too, and hope it is false rumors, is that the Nolanverse is going to be involved in this Justice League line up. That I absolutely do not want.
 

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Eh. I guess. Conflict between superheroes is worn. It can work well if there are legitimate reasons for it, but I don't see Goyer or Snyder being up to the task.
 

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Eh. I guess. Conflict between superheroes is worn. It can work well if there are legitimate reasons for it, but I don't see Goyer or Snyder being up to the task.

They weren't up to the task of Superman all by himself. I can't imagine what Superman + Batman will look like.
 

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They'll actually be able to ruin two icons at the same time. So it's like. Environmentally friendly or whatever.
 

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Hey, atleast you guys got your DC animated movies, which as far as I can tell, have at least been good.
 
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