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Just thought I'd get this up in case we need it!
 

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@Zeb Volter
"One second after they had fired, the flechettes had quickly exploded." You mean they spread out to cover that one meter radius, right, and not actually explode like tiny grenades?

And about that one meter radius, at point blank range the diameter of flechettes would be measured in inches, not feet. A one meter radius would mean a 6foot diameter right out of the barrel, and I'm pretty sure that's not possible unless it's some kinda crazy OP blunderbuss.
 

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@Zeb Volter
"One second after they had fired, the flechettes had quickly exploded." You mean they spread out to cover that one meter radius, right, and not actually explode like tiny grenades?

And about that one meter radius, at point blank range the diameter of flechettes would be measured in inches, not feet. A one meter radius would mean a 6foot diameter right out of the barrel, and I'm pretty sure that's not possible unless it's some kinda crazy OP blunderbuss.

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The SFPM-23.

Affiliation: Internal use by the Bogan, large scale external sale to approved parties* and small scale external sale to all.

*Those Ben or Boli claim it is okay to sell in bulk to.

Produced By: K-Labs
Design Technician
: Lorn
Sold By: Strati Defense Systems

Intent : To be a hard-hitting flechette pistol for those who want the power of a shotgun in a more portable package.

Model: Strati Flechette Pistol M of 1,023, AKA SFPM-23 or SFPM.

Type:Slugthrower Flechette Pistol.

Size:

Length: 210 mm.
Height: 133 mm.
Weight: 1.2 kg

Composition: Durasteel, plasteel.

Range and Armor Penetration:

Optimum range: 50 meters.
Maximum range: 100 meters.

Penetration: Capable of penetrating medium and light armor at optimum range. At maximum range, capable of penetrating light armor and clothing.

Ammunition Capacity : 8 flechette pellets per clip plus one in the chamber for a total of 9 maximum pellets.

Description:

The Strati Flechette Pistol Model of 1,203, commonly known as the SFPM-23 or simply the SFPM, is the latest in a series of small arms designed by up-and-coming weapons engineer Lorn Eth’Alt’Mer. Designed for those who want the power of a shotgun with the portability and concealability of a pistol, it is the perfect personal defense weapon. Its ammunition is comprised of smart-fuzed, gas propelled shrapnel pellets which, upon reaching four meters from a target, explode, releasing eight 3 mm long micro-flechettes in a shotgun style spread. These flechettes are propelled forward with into a meter-wide radius with enough force to penetrate medium and light armor and still prove lethal up to fifty meters away. For those wishing a less-than-lethal approach, special hardened rubber-coated projectiles designed to stun and inflict pain rather than wound or kill are available.

It should be noted that there are three drawbacks to the pistol. First, while capable of downing most opponents in medium or light armor, it does not have the force to penetrate heavy armor or vests, being too small to deliver the kind of firepower necessary to do so. Second, its effective range is limited in comparison to other pistols of its size, being most effective at 50 meters and under. Third, the amount of ammunition per clip is rather limited when compared to blasters, being able to fire a maximum of nine rounds before reloading. When purchasing and using the SFPM-23, one should be thus be very mindful of its limitations.

Despite its drawbacks, however, the SFPM excels at what it was designed to do-kill or disable at a close range. From bounty hunters to law enforcement, from civilians to soldiers, from Force Sensitives to those without, the SFPM is a weapon one can count on to get through the day.


Price :

Pistol Alone: 325 Credits.

Lethal rounds: 5 credits per clip.
Less-than-lethal rounds: 7 credits per clip.

Bulk Discount when purchasing the SFPM or its ammunition :

Bulk purchase of 12: 5% off final sales price.
Bulk purchase of 100: 10% off final sales price.
Bulk purchase of 500: 15% off final sales price.
Bulk purchase of 1,000: 20% off final sales price.
Bulk purchase of 5,000: 25% off final sales price.
Bulk purchase of 10,000+: 30 % off final sales price.​

Here is the link to the tech profile.

I'm just following what was approved in the tech profile which specifically states that the flechettes would be propelled into a meter-wide radius.

To address your first point, the shrapnel pellets would explode into eight 3mm long flechettes, while moving into a one-meter radius.

I also thought I wrote that they would be exploding into a one meter radius. Apologize for that. I've written that they would be exploding into a one meter radius, per the tech profile.
 
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That's great, thanks for the tech sheet, but we're talking about point blank range here, there's just not enough time or distance for it to achieve that kind of spread. 6 feet wide at less that 3 feet away? No way that's happening.

And that point blank distance is far too short for the smart-fuze to gauge where 4 meters would be since the distance is far less than that, I contend that it wouldn't explode at all, and if it did it would be 4 meters behind me.
 

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I think it would explode, but the cone of razors wouldn't reach its full yield.
 

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That's great, thanks for the tech sheet, but we're talking about point blank range here, there's just not enough time or distance for it to achieve that kind of spread. 6 feet wide at less that 3 feet away? No way that's happening.

And that point blank distance is far too short for the smart-fuze to gauge where 4 meters would be since the distance is far less than that, I contend that it wouldn't explode at all, and if it did it would be 4 meters behind me.
It doesn't have to achieve that kind of spread, but would the flechettes be moving to do that, per the tech profile? Yes.

How would it be four meters behind you? Additionally, since we are below the range of four meters, the flechettes would certainly explode since the tech profile states its within four meters of a target.

Also, please check the post you reponded to. I added that I edited my post by stating that the flechettes would be moving into a one-meter radius.
 
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"upon reaching four meters from a target" implies that it needs to get to that four meter distance for the smart-fuze to know to explode, which isn't the same as "within four meters of a target", maybe it should be revised to say "at and within a 4 meter proximity". But I'm not going to waste my time arguing semantics, I just wanted to know what exactly I was dealing with.
 

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"upon reaching four meters from a target" implies that it needs to get to that four meter distance for the smart-fuze to know to explode, which isn't the same as "within four meters of a target", maybe it should be revised to say "at and within a 4 meter proximity". But I'm not going to waste my time arguing semantics, I just wanted to know what exactly I was dealing with.
Since you don't want to be arguing about semantics, I won't respond to your first point.

Per the post, Zeb is firing a bunch of flechettes strait at your character's lower torso. If this is causing so much of an OOC arguement, I don't mind using a Sil-50 sonic pistol, as long as the pistol is in the same position as the SFPM-Flechette Pistol.

EDIT: I'll also like to add that I edited my first post, to reflect on his force sight usage a little bit. The attack is still the same. Re-edited my post for something else.
 
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Ok, I got a few problems with your post. Firstly, you state that Zeb's head would be cut off. This is a no death-thread. Zeb's head wouldn't be cut off at all. Secondly, how is it with most of the flechettes hitting the intended spot, and the fact that your dealing with massive internal bleeding that you are still able to use a force enhanced speed. Your movements would certainly be disrupted. If you were a Knight, and you were using Force Body, I would agree that you could go passed your limits at that instance, but even then, I think your pushing it.
 

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This is a no death-thread. .
Not sure if I missed that or completely forgot. oh well, my bad.

Secondly, how is it with most of the flechettes hitting the intended spot, and the fact that your dealing with massive internal bleeding that you are still able to use a force enhanced speed.
The speed was used before the shot was fired, momentum did the rest.

Now that I've been reminded that this is death-disabled, I've lost all interest.
Niish is bleeding out and soon to die..eerr..fall unconscious. You win.
 

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Not sure if I missed that or completely forgot. oh well, my bad.


The speed was used before the shot was fired, momentum did the rest.

Now that I've been reminded that this is death-disabled, I've lost all interest.
Niish is bleeding out and soon to die..eerr..fall unconscious. You win.
Niish won't have to die. This was designed to be a capture thread, and him dying would be in violation of the fact that this isn't death-enabled.

I also fired the flechettes with the usage of force sight, and iirc, I explained I did that to counter Niish using the force to enhance his movements because it would disrupt his concentration.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but a character dying would be in violation of the thread. The most realistic thing would be for him to be captured if Emerald doesn't rescue him in time.
 

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I admit that I failed to realize this was death-disabled, but you didn't and tried to shred my internal organs anyway which would typically result in a slow death. So I suppose that makes us both in violation.

I don't know what you think Force Sight does but I'm pretty sure being able to see through the Force doesn't enhance reflexes, and it surely doesn't disrupt me from doing anything. Even if it did, disrupting my concentration or my Force speed is the same as interrupting an attack: it needs to be attempted.

If you like, just say you used your sonic pistol and knocked me out, which would deactivate my saber before it hit you = No deaths, easy capture.
 

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I admit that I failed to realize this was death-disabled, but you didn't and tried to shred my internal organs anyway which would typically result in a slow death. So I suppose that makes us both in violation.
I didn't violate the thread in any manner, considering that I offered to use my sonic pistol which would have made you go unconscious. You yourself stated that I didn't need to use it. I never did anything to violate the thread.

I don't know what you think Force Sight does but I'm pretty sure being able to see through the Force doesn't enhance reflexes, and it surely doesn't disrupt me from doing anything. Even if it did, disrupting my concentration or my Force speed is the same as interrupting an attack: it needs to be attempted.
SW Wookipidea's page on force sight states that it does enhances the reflexes. I also stated that it was in the beginning second of you moving to the left, so it would certainly disrupt your concentration since your having multiple flechettes pierce you.

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f you like, just say you used your sonic pistol and knocked me out, which would deactivate my saber before it hit you = No deaths, easy capture.
Yap, that is the plan. I'll work on a post right now.
 

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My man, it says "The Miraluka were the most skilled experts of the technique. Thanks to it, their reflexes were strengthened enormously". Zeb isn't Miraluka and you said yourself "He may not have mastered the ability, but Zeb knew it was his most developed ability.", this doesn't equal the most skilled experts so I have doubts that it would do much of anything for the reflex of a Lasat who hasn't mastered it.
Let's flip that coin: A non-Pau'an species is naturally born deaf by evolution and they have such mastery over Force Listening that their reflexes are heightened because of it, Niish was born deaf so he learned to use Force Listening his entire life, therefore, he also has heightened reflexes even though he's not of said species and is not a master of Force Listening, just really good at it. I'm really trying to find the logic behind this assertion.
And why not take it a step further, who's to stop me from saying Niish was born both deaf and blind, and because one species is really good with Force Listening and another species is really good with Force Sight, Niish's reflexes are doubly developed even though he's neither of those species? See where this line of thinking takes us?

I would be really careful about using this strategy, exchanging species-specific ability attributes is a dangerous game. A Wookiee born with out a sense of smell shouldn't be really good at Force Smelling because another species is really good at Force Smelling due to their olfactories devolving or not evolving in the first place.

Sure, a Lasat could be really good with Force Sight, but unless you have complete mastery over it, to have your reflexes enhanced by it takes a Miraluka.
 

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It also states "While this was a Miralukan attribute, it could be taught to other species; for instance, Visas Marr taught Meetra Surik to use it." It even goes on to state that someone can also learn the Mirakulan version of force sight, even though their eyes are badly affected, something that will happen to Zeb later on.

I would like to state that even though a species is naturally good at a certain ability, that doesn't mean that another species won't be good at it, although as clearly demonstrated, it might come at a certain cost. I've seen characters who were born blind and they have been using force sight their whole entire life. They can certainly master the ability, since they used it everyday of their entire life.

So yeah, Zeb can, although highly unlikely due to the timeline ending, master force sight, since he uses it every-day of his life. That won't mean that it won't come at a cost to him.
 

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Alright.

It's not looking like we'll have time to do a follow-up to this thread, but if there is, let me know.
 

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Sorry I haven't posted. Other than the Kashyyk thread I did, I got hit with a headache on Saturday, and on Friday, I had visitors who stayed at my house for a while.

One question; what are Javik, and Sioonaan's position? I'm hoping Zeb can attack later.
 
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