feedback on proposed Republic changes.

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So Im running through a few options and would die for what people thought of them before I fine tuned them and posted them this week.


Command structure*

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" high command" to be replaced with two Cabinet positions to Aid the Chancellor's office in micromanaging, and distributing of information on both an IC/OOC level

* NOTE* though Jedi " appear" high in the command structure, they are in fact in no command but the image expresses on what level they are able to receive information, council and exchange communication with. It is a symbiotic relationship not a merging presence*

Secretary of defense:
( grand Admiral)
OOC duty: to help keep tabs on fleet positions, members and ranking, as well as helping to insure that people are on par with what is going on.

IC duty is to aid the Chancellor, and other departments in utilizing tactical command over the armed forces in partnership with the Senate, and Affairs offices ICly serves as the ranking officer for SOLAG.

Secretary of Affairs:

OOC duty : to aid in keeping track of any potential issues that may arise with member moral, and double check on matters oocly that may deal with intel, such as clarifying " what is, and is not" with other faction leaders, or their representatives ( as to not repeat another ' military base on ando prime' situation)

IC Duty to be aware of the comings and goings of the republic as far as the populations moods, and trends, the political trends of the senate, as well as matters of resources and other domestic interests. More over take a lead position in the gathering and deployment of Republic intelligence this includes the soon to be re-structured S-13


The Senates job...is to be a senate, and their function needs to be further put to use, though like any senate they are not always aware of " everything" as far as intelligence reports go, their primary objective is to find ways to better support the Republic as a whole, serve as the voice of the public.


* with the recent knowledge of several very major problems with the handeling of S-13 leaders, and the degrading nature of them to act more as blood thirsty hitmen above all else, S-13 is to be disbanded " as it's known"

While s-13 will remain " in a sense" its command structures will be dissolved and agents will be " individuals with a common boss"

It is imperative to achieve the 5 levels of espionage
* Local spies are hired from the people of a given location
* Inside spies are hired from the enemy officials
* Reverse spies are hired from the enemy spies
* Dead spies transmit false intel to the enemy
* living spies come back to report.

S-13 is best suited to carry on several of these position, and have the added boon to be able to act on secondary objectives as well.

however the current near dropping of their presence requires an immediate solution, and that being them as a entity " shadow or not" must be removed for liability and security reasons.

* White knight is assigned by the Chancellors office to serve as a ensign in the 3rd fleet, he is to assume such a role, and follow said orders as if he was one. However while there his primary orders may be to assess the commanders competence, or utilize the opportunity to gather supporting evidence to seek the legal removal of the commander should the need be... White knight may also gain the objective to deal with a sensitive matter in a nearby system, in which case legit transfer order will be sent to his commanding officer on the fleet, however key phrases would alert the agent to the true meaning.....

White knight may or may not be the only agent assigned to such fleet, however agents for the most part will not be aware of each other, as again a secondary security measure making it almost impossible to trace their actions to a common source.

An example of the structure would be akin tot eh Culper Ring utilized in the American revolution, where only George Washington, and Talmage were aware of the members of the ring.



Military is to revert to the traditional ( but simplified) Republic/Imperial structure:

Ensign
Lieutenant ( required for pilots)
LT commander ( wing commanders)
Captain ( small craft command )
Colonel ( walker/tank command)
Commodore (battalion/frigate command)
General ( base ground command )
High General ( regional command)
Vice Admiral ( small squad/fleet command or in aid to admiral and able to assume command if and when needed)
Admiral ( base fleet command IE the 3rd fleet division)
High Admiral ( regional fleet command IE the Corellian sector)
Grand Admiral ( serves as secretary of defense)

ensigns and other ranks may, elect to go through training like the jedi do.. more or less running simulators against higher ranking officers and what not. I may write up 4, or 5 scenarios for fleet and ground so there is a template.

IC this helps to promote and gain better trained tactical minded commanders
oocly give some outlet for members to advance in smaller levels and become more proficient in dealing with how to handel a fleet as to cut back on many of t6he complications we see.






so this is what Im lookign at in a nut shell
 

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Looks pretty good.

Though unless you're changing something, S13 should report to you and only you. It was set up that way because the more people there are who know about it, the more you create a risk of the secret getting out.
 

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yes that is pretty much what they would do " the common boss" would be me though generically they fall under intelligence for just what channels to go through.... I was going to make a point too tho add that " incase of death of the Chancellor, it was the affairs secretary who was to take over as intern to assure things ran smoothly while the Senate selected a New chancellor.

so that there is no dead time
 

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A difficulty with S13 agents not being aware of each other is that there was at least one IC meeting between a majority of current S13 agents. I'm looking mainly at this thread.

However, Lucid's idea never kicked off, so it's a dead-end thread.
 
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yeah that is a problem I've been trying to get a better scoop on that fully... my concern is alot of the complaints of directors coming and going, and nearly driving the group into the ground for...whatever reason... big reason I want to minimise that ability as best I could

I would rather not " disband" agents as again, thats a risk.. and the moral implication of memory wipes is...monstrous....
 

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I think it'd be more fun for people with S13 characters if those characters remained aware of one another's existence and had contact with each other. Perhaps a way to do that would be to divvy the organization up into cells, with each cell reporting either to a command cell or directly to the Chancellor/Secretary of Affairs.
 

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I also agree that agents should be aware of one another, though I don't think there should be meetings in the way that the thread Lavi linked to had them. That's dangerous.

I still don't think, though, that S13 should be put under a cabinet secretary. Its meant to operate outside government and the law, hence why it reports only to the Chancellor. S13 is more than just a classified operation, its one that has no records in the government whatsoever. For all intents and purposes, it does not exist.
 

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Affairs would also most likely be an agent for all intents and reasoning as they really are the eyes and ears of the Chancellor, and an emergency lead should the need arise

So while NOT a commanding agent, IS an agent like the others.
 

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What if the Secretary of Affairs was also secretly the S13 Director? That way it's firmly established that S13 answers to the Chancellor, since the Secretary of Affairs answers to the Chancellor.
 

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hmm being IN the same office too would tighten the leash and not allow them to run things into the ground unnoticed.
 

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It all looks pretty good. The only suggestions I have for S13 are that agents should know each other and have some sort of capability to have their own direction. If in their normal duties they find some terrible Hutt plot, they should have enough authority to handle it then and there instead of referring to regular Intelligence.

As for the normal ranks, it seems like a big number. Speaking for the Hutts at least it would be too much (since we don't have all too many PCs on each side), so working your way from bottom to top would be hard.
 

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also as a perk:P

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Ensign
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Lieutenant
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Lieutenant-Navy
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LT commander

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Commander
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Commander-Navy
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Captain

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Colonel
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Commodore
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General

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High General
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Vice Admiral

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Admiral
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High Admiral

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Grand Admiral ( defense secretary)
 
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It all looks pretty good. The only suggestions I have for S13 are that agents should know each other and have some sort of capability to have their own direction. If in their normal duties they find some terrible Hutt plot, they should have enough authority to handle it then and there instead of referring to regular Intelligence.

As for the normal ranks, it seems like a big number. Speaking for the Hutts at least it would be too much (since we don't have all too many PCs on each side), so working your way from bottom to top would be hard.


so s-13 more like spectres ?


as for the amount of ranks, I chose more to encourage active levels, be it in RP, or running simulations ( training) to sorta give incentive...
 

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so s-13 more like spectres ?

If it were my call I'd make them have regular positions (like you said) with navy ranks to go with it, but they should use that as a cover to investigate galaxy-threatening plots instead of just sticking to false information. S13 seems like it would go to waste as a secret police when they could (should) be taking down nuclear bomb plants and foiling assassinations- even keeping potential enemy indie factions down. I feel like they've never really been used to their potential in that way.
 

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my biggest concerns with the sector are thus:

Chains of directors have not lasted long, and or blown or nearly blown cover...Jade Engineering/Entertainment for example knows of S-13 following the abduction of Aife.

keeping a director or at least a more chained head can limit that:

Too much ability to group in mass is also a security risk..small cells of two, three I don't see as much of a hassle, they can be easily passed off as just a group of friends, large concentrations if noted will raise attention, even if its speculation.

having them on too loose a leash all the time and making them the ultimate spectre, or james bond type is nice granted there can be a strict conduct code...my main ooc fears is that many would ignore any sensibility and digression and always be looking for that big glorious score thus risking being compromised or alerting attention from the enemy if scores of individuals were making this big events. rather than utilizing the harder espionage tactics needed. If they go TOO commando, that starts taking away for the need of groups like solag

I fell ultimately the general assignments should be assigned based on the individual... so someone who CAN act as a stand alone spectre would be put in that roll...ones who are better suited to infiltrate our own forces, or the enemy ones will do that...

that keeps it more or less separated, and also minimizes too much exposure risk
 

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I certainly get the concern about S13's secrecy, there's even the idea going around that going public wouldn't be so bad. /facepalm.

Unfortunately, there's no way to ensure people play the part. I guess the best way to do that is to have a couple agents serve as "agent hunters"- if someone gets too out of line, they get one of the hunters after them.
 

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think that is what I will do.....basically as I said above, let some be in cells, some be the lone wolves.... granted they follow their individual objectives and can remain as unnoticed as possible.... if there is any hint of possible or likely leaks the agent will be removed...

as it is Tanna, and Valek being approached by a s-13 director, and told about the group was bad... Had it been Aife's Falleen lover Xakra there rather than Tanna..... JA would know of s-13....which you know that means thus so would the Hutts, and Bogan and then so would the galaxy because Tila would use it as propaganda to spread " big brother" fear.
 

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nvm on the s-13 thing, I have it figured out.... it's going to what it always was designed to be, and that is that...


I sill like the idea replace them with tuskan raiders in sombreros
 
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