Feminism and Gender Equality

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Brandon Rhea

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That sounds more like a giant swing for the Mary Sue Crew. It's probably fine, but that sounds like "GurlPowah" filler crap from the little snippet spoilered.

Yes, totally unlike the male characters who are absolutely never in outlandish scenarios.

It has nothing to do with "GurlPowah" - which, by the way, was incredibly condescending. Each of those characters is there for a reason. Leia is escorting a high value prisoner, Dr. Aphra, to a secret Alliance prison. She needs Sana's help to transport her. That's why both Leia and Sana are in the prison. An Imperial team comes to try to break Aphra out, because she's a key ally of Darth Vader. So the three main characters all just so happen to be women.

Don't make snap, condescending judgments based on 2 sentences.
 

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Don't make snap, condescending judgments based on 2 sentences.
Did... you not just do that? Said it was probably fine. Like I said, I read capeshit, so I'm no stranger to hilarious politically biased situations presented in comics, and I implied I haven't read up to that yet.
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It sounded like one of these... amazing situations. Chill. Also: Spoilers dude!
 

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Did... you not just do that? Said it was probably fine.

Nope, I didn't, because while you said "It's probably fine," the "but" and the condescending use of "GurlPowah" after that pretty much negated "It's probably fine."
 

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I would like to think I am giving the best contribution to this discussion (which is a generous term to describe what this thread has become). Seriously, 17 pages later and people are still trying to twist this around and make it so 'Nasty Wicked Feminists are ruining everything'?
 

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I would like to think I am giving the best contribution to this discussion (which is a generous term to describe what this thread has become). Seriously, 17 pages later and people are still trying to twist this around and make it so 'Nasty Wicked Feminists are ruining everything'?
You're Nor'baal.

You don't give the best anything to anything.
 

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Pretty much.

I would like to think I am giving the best contribution to this discussion (which is a generous term to describe what this thread has become). Seriously, 17 pages later and people are still trying to twist this around and make it so 'Nasty Wicked Feminists are ruining everything'?
Nah, just having a giggle. I'll bring about a topic that relates to the subject. How does everyone feel about Justin Trudeau's replacement of equality of opportunity with equality of outcome when choosing his cabinet? We Canadian Politics now.

It's current year you guys.​
 

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I feel a bit awkward needing to tell you this @Sinbi....I was being sarcastic :/
 

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Having a cabinet with equal parts men and women is not "equality of outcome." The difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome is that the former guarantees that an individual person has the chance to succeed, while the latter guarantees that an individual person will succeed.

How someone chooses their cabinet isn't about either of those things. These are all (theoretically) exceptional and qualified people, all of whom are capable of doing the job but many of whom are historically not given the opportunity to hold the job. It's about representation.

So, I'd say the Prime Minister did a good thing.
 

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Check it.

His cabinet is made up of liberal members of parliament, of which there were 184 in all. For the liberals in the last election, there were 50 female MPs elected, and since there were 184 total seats taken by the liberals, that leaves 134 male MPs. That means that the selection pool for the cabinet was about 27% female. And yet, to keep his election promises, he required the cabinet to be 50% female. Now, there are 31 seats in the cabinet (including his), 15 of which are filled by women, and 16 by men. That means each woman had a 30% chance to be chosen for the cabinet, and each man had a 12% chance. Any individual female MP was 2.5x as likely to be chosen at any individual male MP.

If that doesn't make it perfectly clear why insisting on quality of outcome, rather than quality of opportunity is unfair and discriminatory then I can't help you.

If it just happened to turn out like this, without any premeditation or planning or anything and the female cabinet members were simply the best choices to fill those seats, then I wouldn't care. That'd be fine. Except, that's not what happened. It was decided in advance that the cabinet would be 50/50. The decision to discriminate against whichever gender ended up being elected in higher numbers (in this case penis people), was part of the platform he ran on. Qualifications were irrelevant. This policy will disadvantage anyone who gets elected more in the future, whether they be male or female.

I feel a bit awkward needing to tell you this @Sinbi....I was being sarcastic :/
Oh. Thought you were referring to the strawman villain in the panels and was being sarcastic about that, 'scuse me. Have a reptile who likes cherries as an apology for the misread.

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I believe feminism is a horrible misnomer, it shouldn't be called this. This kinda puts forward the stance that females are the only ones discriminated against. This is not true. Many men are discriminated against solely on the fact that they are men. I am an Egalitarian (or an equalist) and believe that all people are equal. All people. No matter what gender/sex/age/race/religion/sexuality, we are all the same. We are all human. We all make mistakes. We are not perfect, but we should strive to be. #equalitytoall #humanity
 

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I'd advise in future you think before bumping a six month old thread for a really tasteless joke.

I'm just gonna lock this and be done with it.
 
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