Forging Bonds OOC

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius The hook isn't an interrupt at the tendrils unless it happened before, which it didn't. It might prevent it if the hook hit, as you said, but it didn't because Gale didn't defend against Alyse's attack. It's not vagueness, Gale just didn't defend himself.

Attack wasn't mentioned in the post in any fashion, nor defended against in any way, other than an OOC clarified attempt at stopping her after the fact. So, it hits.

What in my post needs to be edited? My last post was locked in by your latest.

 

[Aurius]

Not after the fact. At 5:07 PM in the quoted OOC above. The post was sent at 6:42PM.
And that’s that.

I guess what I’m asking for is the same courtesy I would extend to you. If you clarify something about your post in OOC I would respect that - especially if it was before your ally replied. I would NOT call an auto hit on you. I would reply to the post that asked for conversation in the spoiler post, or at a minimum like Topher’s OOC as I did to confirm there was no issue and the post was all valid and good.

not only is this kinda rude, but it’s the textbook definition of rule lawyering and exploiting the vagueness in somebody’s IC post and only using that as justification to get an auto hit. You could argue the rules IMPLY that it has to be an IC clarification. But then again you can clarify IC things in OOC. I thought that was even recommended.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Now I'm just not sure what you're referring to as "after the fact." My post being locked in? You posted after mine, so it is. Alyse attacking as she dodged Gale's initial swing? Also locked in by your last post.

Your post was perfectly valid. Gale just didn't defend himself from Alyse, resulting in an autohit. This isn't an argument.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Now I'm just not sure what you're referring to as "after the fact." My post being locked in? You posted after mine, so it is. Alyse attacking as she dodged Gale's initial swing? Also locked in by your last post.

Your post was perfectly valid. Gale just didn't defend himself from Alyse, resulting in an autohit. This isn't an argument.

I’m requesting a ruling.

I clarified in OOC about an IC action BEFORE Alyse’s most recent PvP post. I explained that like 3 times now. You are arguing that because I didn’t put it in the thread that clarification was not valid. I refute that fact. You can clarify IC actions in OOC posts. This is a known fact, for any thread.

I know now that there are PvP threads where OOC clarifications are accepted. As I said above - it’s even recommended that actions be clarified.

not it’s not an argument. And you don’t have the right to give this ruling as a member of this PvP thread.

 

[Sreeya]

Rulings don't exist anymore in freeform. But I will say this - OOC clarifications do not trump IC written words. It has to be IC or people can exploit things all day long via OOC. All that matters is what is written IC.

Either both parties can come to an acceptable ending or they can agree to void the thread. There will be no more running to admins.

 

[Aurius]

Rulings don't exist anymore in freeform. But I will say this - OOC clarifications do not trump IC written words. It has to be IC or people can exploit things all day long via OOC. All that matters is what is written IC.

Either both parties can come to an acceptable ending or they can agree to void the thread. There will be no more running to admins.

I don’t mean to run to admins Sreeya. I just want an impartial view on it.

I understand that, I just feel a little slighted in this case. Two people have agreed on one course of events with a discrepancy in the timeline. The second between these events is I feel irrelevant.

Gale could not have changed push to fire in the second it took for Wolfgang to launch his fire. I believe the same logic would apply to Alyse’s tendrils in this case. But if the IC is all that matters I will agree to it. I would like to wait to see what Topher has to say.

please disregard the report. Y’all were good at handling it evenly that’s the only reason :)

meditation; I know that it doesn’t really matter. But I don’t want to scrap the thread and I think it’s actually getting quite interesting. However, the edit of a hop doesn’t change anything and would allow the thread to at least continue apace - in the same way no hop does. The real crux of the issue is in the calling of an auto hit, not the outcome of events as there is a defense against these tendrils - even if they bind. I don’t mind.

I would really rather they not crucify him. Or at least not dismember. But that’s up to you.

 

[Aurius]

Crucifixion is one of my greatest fears. Long story short, Even if it wasn’t actually me, my mind tricked me into. It still scares the shit out of me, the memory of the hallucinations of such pain makes me nauseous. It’s been two years and I still the same nightmares.

I hope you understand that I don’t care whether my character wins or loses - I just wanted a cool fight between our characters.

One that didn’t even have to end as a defeat on either side.

This could have been quite amiable an interesting but instead it’s EXACTLY like the PvPs we had in the past. The rules and even the attitude of PvP I thought was now to make stories, not just to win for winning’s sake. I don’t care about Gale losing. I won’t have him be crucified - both because it’s feels morally wrong and I don’t feel this thread has been anything close to respectable on at least one end. We can come to an agreement or I will leave the thread for y’all to finish.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Gale is not literally being crucified. He's being held in place with the Force with his limbs pulls to the sides with some dislocation, not dismemberment.

This isn't a cinematic type fight. I'm all for telling stories but what happened here is Gale showed up, tried to throw his weight around, was warned against it, and then attacked two Sith. They're gonna try and cut him down.

That said, if there's no issue with getting hit and/or taken down then I feel like an adjustment to description and stuff is doable.

@Topher

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Gale is not literally being crucified. He's being held in place with the Force with his limbs pulls to the sides with some dislocation, not dismemberment.

This isn't a cinematic type fight. I'm all for telling stories but what happened here is Gale showed up, tried to throw his weight around, was warned against it, and then attacked two Sith. They're gonna try and cut him down.

That said, if there's no issue with getting hit and/or taken down then I feel like an adjustment to description and stuff is doable.

@Topher

I know. I’m explaining because I feel I need to justify why I became so defensive. I don’t want to come across as an ass.

his skeleton is semi-cartilage anyways so the dislocations aren’t nearly as bad as with a full on skeleton. It was just a panic attack as a result of the idea. That’s all.

 

[Topher]

Apologies for the delay in response, had been with the family and making the most of the time before heading into another lockdown

Will read up on the above and revert back to you all soon

 

[Topher]

Following up on the tail end of the conversation and in line with Mr. Tea Time's suggestion.

I have amended Ceryx's post so that reference to crucifixion has been removed. She is with the Force holding and binding Gale's limbs diagonally out from the side of his body, drawing them back and applying pressure at his joints.

Additionally I have amended the verbally offered choice so that Gale has the option to yield and remove himself willingly.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Is everything good after the edits?

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Is everything good after the edits?

I didn’t see this tag until now! I was about to post here saying for the sake of the thread we should continue regardless.

For the records I would like my objections noted - however, this is perfect by me. I don’t think I will remove myself per se for story’s sake if it’s agreeable :) @Topher @Mr. Teatime

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Please explain what is happening with the skeleton smoking ghosty whatever. Illusion?

Also, the ship can't have already left with literally no one noticing and getting over to the Jedi. There was no prior post of it moving to lose, just a droid starting it up.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Please explain what is happening with the skeleton smoking ghosty whatever. Illusion?

Also, the ship can't have already left with literally no one noticing and getting over to the Jedi. There was no prior post of it moving to lose, just a droid starting it up.

It was starting up and moving. I didn’t keep clarifying because a droid is an NPC. I agreed not to use any NPCs against you, Vahla, Droids, Ship and all. This was not meant as deception but rather a strict adherence to our own house rules.

That being said, I did clarify that the NPCs were still active in the background even while we are focusing on each other. It was heavily implied that the droid intended to pick up the Jedi even through the timeline of that immediate post. The parts explicitly mentioned were the Ramp and Engines. As the Vahla and Guavians fought respectively - one set up before the fighting even began. Even if this fight is headcanoned to about two and a half minutes that’s quite some time.

that being said the Vahla and Guavians are technically still ducking it out.

Pure illusion. Technically aura manifestation but at this level it’s nothing more than a soft mirror image. Gale is still bound and can’t move. Intimidation/Madness check.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius "The Mantis whirred to life as R3-Z4 began the powering sequence."

That is the one and only reference to Gale's ship before "His ship was already out of sight. It had begun takeoff procedures when this whole debacle began and Gale had garnered more than enough time for R4 to collect his men and hover to the Jedi’s position. "

So, it wasn't moving. And quite a few steps were skipped between "began the powering sequence" and "It's gone". Also, two and a half minutes would be extremely generous. By the time Gale's caught it'll have been a few seconds.

There was no explicit mentioning of ramp nor engines. Nothing was "implied". There's not even an attempt to leave. It powers up, and then is just gone without another word about it in between. Literally. I checked.

Edit: But what the droid intended to do, implied or not, doesn't matter. Because it didn't actually happen, it wasn't written.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius "The Mantis whirred to life as R3-Z4 began the powering sequence."

That is the one and only reference to Gale's ship before "His ship was already out of sight. It had begun takeoff procedures when this whole debacle began and Gale had garnered more than enough time for R4 to collect his men and hover to the Jedi’s position. "

So, it wasn't moving. And quite a few steps were skipped between "began the powering sequence" and "It's gone". Also, two and a half minutes would be extremely generous. By the time Gale's caught it'll have been a few seconds.

There was no explicit mentioning of ramp nor engines. Nothing was "implied". There's not even an attempt to leave. It powers up, and then is just gone without another word about it in between. Literally. I checked.

Edit: But what the droid intended to do, implied or not, doesn't matter. Because it didn't actually happen, it wasn't written.

If it makes it any better.

I don’t intend the vessel to be a one stop exit. It’s not over them yet. But it is, in my brain, moving. Slowly.

it would have to be slow enough that your characters didn’t immediately notice anyways. So it can’t haven’t gotten incredibly far.

I would like to use the vessel as a time limit however. One or two more rounds, or longer. If that makes sense.

Edit - I would also like to point out that per our house rules, since PvP and NPvP is seperate, the Guavians could have interrupted the takeoff at any point between the fight starting and ending. If you take the assumption that the Vahla are defeated with their Commander, that would mean they are presently uncontested and your characters don’t even have to move.

Just means we would have to find out how the Vahla lost between point a and b. Two sentences in any post would do the trick.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Only a little. Those are good points, but, the ship leaving needs to be phrased as an attempt, not like it's already gone. The inbetween steps can't be skipped over.

On a tangential note, it looks like the ship itself isn't a valid tech submission. What kind of ship is it?

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Only a little. Those are good points, but, the ship leaving needs to be phrased as an attempt, not like it's already gone. The inbetween steps can't be skipped over.

On a tangential note, it looks like the ship itself isn't a valid tech submission. What kind of ship is it?

That’s the second time this has come up - thought I’d already linked it.

i remember it being a custom blast boat. Closest I can find is the Y-Wing but I am searching notes for the actual carbon copy.

In an unfortunate hindsight, I’d like to point out that since I addressed flames turning into the tendrils.... that may have constituted a defense if I had clarified the transience of the attack. Shoot.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Only a little. Those are good points, but, the ship leaving needs to be phrased as an attempt, not like it's already gone. The inbetween steps can't be skipped over.

On a tangential note, it looks like the ship itself isn't a valid tech submission. What kind of ship is it?

Editing as an attempt shortly. If for whatever reason the edit isn’t made, the clarification still stands-

the ship is making an attempt.