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So we've seen the decry of racsim, the immediate counter-example, the moving of the goal post, and now we're at the rage posting segment of this thread argument.

Can we just move on to the irish spiderman portion and be done with it?
 

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Do whatever you want with this holiday, it's trash and does nothing to uplift Irish culture or history aside from misinform and increase sales of American-made Guinness.

And what holidays don't do that in a more generic manner?
 

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Do whatever you want with this holiday, it's trash and does nothing to uplift Irish culture or history aside from misinform and increase sales of American-made Guinness.

Shouldn't that be a good thing? Given that 7 times more Irish descendent people (your own figure) live in the US, shouldn't that mean the majority of Irish people are benefiting from this holiday? At least economically.
 

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Moved to Current Affiars board.
Duke it out there!
 

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I love saint Patrick's Day! I as a 50% Irish, 50% German, don't really care and don't see it as offensive. At least the Irish have a Holiday, I can't think of any other race or ethnicity that does.
 

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Nobody is arguing against that point. We're just saying that beyond St-Patrick's Day, negative Irish stereotypes have zero repercussions on the real world and does not lead to the actual oppression of Irish people.

And Saul, if you want to talk about negative effects of racism, why don't you take a look at how your own country treats the Traveler community?
 

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I love saint Patrick's Day! I as a 50% Irish, 50% German, don't really care and don't see it as offensive. At least the Irish have a Holiday, I can't think of any other race or ethnicity that does.

http://www.vice.com/read/hey-americans-please-stop-pretending-to-be-irish-317

"But it's not just the Irish who are fascinated when you Americans over-identify with your ancestral roots. When you call yourself Italian or German, it baffles Italians and Germans too. Why can't you just identify as American? For a country that waves a lot of flags and considers anything but blind patriotism in politicians an act of treason, the contradiction at the heart of your identity frustrates us. We're aware of your flaws—your wars and shitty sitcoms—so when you don't identify as American, it seems like you're trying to shirk responsibility for what your country has inflicted on ours and, in effect, have us shoulder the blame."

"Maybe all we want when we visit a place or celebrate a culture is exactly what we expect—our own version of it. Maybe realness doesn't interest us because everything comes with downsides, things determined to kill our buzz."

Some quotes for you. The article is a brilliant piece and should be read.
 

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Do whatever you want with this holiday, it's trash and does nothing to uplift Irish culture or history aside from misinform and increase sales of American-made Guinness.

Uh yeah, you're largely wrong there.

And to say Irish drunken stereotypes in Western media are to blame for Irish problems is pretty ****ing retarded, these aren't post modern problems, they're historical and ingrained in the culture. We were oppressed and enslaved for centuries, it was either the Church or alcohol, sometimes both. It's improved slightly, but it's always been a cultural issue when it comes to Irish reliance on escapism, but hey, it's given birth to a lot of great contributions to arts and culture worldwide. We have a brand, it's good for business, and that's not changing any time soon.
 

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Guys, chill with the mental disability slurs. It's not fair, or appropriate to our members who have actual daily challenges in their lives.
 

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Guys, chill with the mental disability slurs. It's not fair, or appropriate to our members who have actual daily challenges in their lives.

You also sound like a ten year old when you say it. You could have easily said "And to say Irish drunken stereotypes in Western media are to blame for Irish problems is extremely illogical".
 

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Yes, let's turn the thread into a bullshit bout of lame attempts at political correctness and ill informed critiques of culture.

It'll be swell.
 

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You also sound like a ten year old when you say it. You could have easily said "And to say Irish drunken stereotypes in Western media are to blame for Irish problems is extremely illogical".

I find your use of "illogical" offensive on behalf of Vulcan-Federatians everywhere.
 

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Yes, let's turn the thread into a bullshit bout of lame attempts at political correctness and ill informed critiques of culture.

It'll be swell.

No such thing as political correctness. It's called not being an asshole.
 

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Right, because me literally using the exact meaning of a word in context means I'm being prudish towards a particular sect of people, people I've spent eleven years of my life helping with St. Vincent's throughout the country.

The word literally means ''less advanced in mental, physical, or social development'', which when applied to a guy on the internet telling people that movie Irish stereotypes are to blame for national alcoholism issues spanning centuries, is directly applicable within that context.

But sure, pigeon hole away if that's how ya'll get your kicks, no skin off my back, because for sure the liberal secular humanist holds that kind of opinion.
 

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Right, because me literally using the exact meaning of a word in context means I'm being prudish towards a particular sect of people, people I've spent eleven years of my life helping with St. Vincent's throughout the country.

The word literally means ''less advanced in mental, physical, or social development'', which when applied to a guy on the internet telling people that movie Irish stereotypes are to blame for national alcoholism issues spanning centuries, is directly applicable within that context.

But sure, pigeon hole away if that's how ya'll get your kicks, no skin off my back, because for sure the liberal secular humanist holds that kind of opinion.

Actually Retard means to be slow, in a physical or mental, or any other way. If a song is retarded that means it has slowed down. The phrase you're thinking of is mentally retarded.
 
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Right, because me literally using the exact meaning of a word in context means I'm being prudish towards a particular sect of people, people I've spent eleven years of my life helping with St. Vincent's throughout the country.

You could say the exact same thing for any other slur. The dictionary definition of a word is irrelevant here. And I doubt that you honestly care about differently abled people, seeing as how you casually bandy about the word "retarded."

RightThe word literally means ''less advanced in mental, physical, or social development'', which when applied to a guy on the internet telling people that movie Irish stereotypes are to blame for national alcoholism issues spanning centuries, is directly applicable within that context.

But sure, pigeon hole away if that's how ya'll get your kicks, no skin off my back.

Still not an excuse to use a term that dehumanizes a whole group of people.
 
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