New Character Acceptance

[Cassanova]

So like, for those times when we have a new character posted on the sign up, and like... they want more than a Prospect... and stuff.

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Character Name: Vilmark Rennow
Link: http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?58444-Vilmark-Rennow&p=1141069#post1141069
Noted 'Events': Self made man, con-man, casino manager, and he has a god-damn chequered suit.
Noted 'Skills': He could barter the the Crown off the Queen.
Desired Rank: Enforcer

The character itself has no 'holes', although the noted events section appear to be entirely baseless in the context of the character's biography. There is the assumption that he'll be allowed to open a casino, which I'm uncomfortable with having not seen any asset write up, etc, so I have to (for the time being) ignore that part of the backstory and application.

So it leaves us with 'self made man', which... is baseless as he has nothing to prove that he's made squat.
con-man... yeah, i can work with that.
chequered suit. Irrelevant, and a mockery of the process, but i'll let it slide since I'm likely to murder him with gamma radiation based on my mood today.

Skills... bartering the crown of the queen.
Right. No evidence to support that in the bio at all.

Overrall in order to be in contention for acceptance he needs to do the following;

• Remove the 'Asset' of the Cartel Owned Casino (and traces of it from the biography), and wait until he's accepted to formally submit a proposal to Hutt Leadership.
• Provide more backstory evidence to support these bartering and con-man skills.

Any other takers on input on the matter?

EDIT: Not even to mention the fact that he's done "all this" by the age of 20. Which raises questions too. "Mary Sue" type questions.

 

[Just Matt Now]

I agree, I see no evidence to back up any of these claims, and that Mary Sue vibe is coming off quite strong in my mind. He might not need to remove the asset, but we will have to inform him that that aspect will be ignored until his official writeup has been submitted, then we can go on from there.

I know his character Nor'baal was an Enforcer. Though he was stripped of his rank and kicked out of the Cartel. How do you guys sit with letting him create another Enforcer based on his previous actions...I'm curious.

 

[Cassanova]

Nor'baal has had good success with generating roleplays at that rank in the past, so I'm inclined to give it to him. But at the base level of that rank. So no assets, and he has to work to attain them from scratch, etc.

From that his character biography will have to reflect accordingly, as we would be accepting him in such a way that states he would have "just been promoted", rather than "has been an enforcer for some time".

My $0.02

 

[Just Matt Now]

Well that was what I pictured for when we started anyone off as Enforcer. Otherwise I wouldnt give anyone the position.

 

[Gaja]

Whatever you guys decide I'm behind you on it. Don't have time for this right now.

 

[Cassanova]

So we'll ask him to remove any reference to the application ofan asset, we'll also ask that he expand in his biography about being a conman and such? Once thats complete, we'll accept him as an enforcer, i guess.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Yes I agree. I'll mention it on the characters bio then.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Vexillar approached me and asked if they can make a sister character to one of Fang's characters, but to start out at Enforcer. I promised that I would consider it if they gave me a bio, which was sent rather quickly. So I just wanted to see what you guys think about making her an Enforcer off the bat? That is the main concern.

Spoiler: Vexil Rome

Spoiler: Image

NAME: Vanessa (Only the Cartel would know this is her name, and even then only the higher ups)
Alias: Vexil Rome
FACTION: Cartel
RANK: Enforcer (mayhaps?)
SPECIES: Human
AGE: 25
GENDER: Female
HEIGHT: 5'9''
WEIGHT: 138lbs
EYES: Green
HAIR: Black
SKIN: Sandy colored, smooth, scars on her palms and back.
CREDITS: 1,000
DISTINGUISHING MARKS: Brand of a Crow on her left palm and a Raven on her right.
FORCE SENSITIVE: Yep

STRENGTH: 3/10
DEXTERITY: 7/10
CONSTITUTION: 5/10
INTELLIGENCE: 6/10
WISDOM: 6/10
CHARISMA: 7/10

FORCE POWERS:
Force Stealth (Novice)
Telekinesis // Push+Pull (Moderate)

SKILLS:
Slicing
Stealth
Deception
Subterfuge
Marksmanship


LIGHTSABER/SWORD FORMS:
-//-

STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES:

Strength; Quit witted, flexible, athletic, emotionally stable. (I'll probably change most of these)
Weaknesses; Physically weak, a bit stubborn, (I'll add more)

GEAR:
2xVibroblade
1xDL-18 Blaster Pistol

SHIP:
-//-

DROIDS:
-//-

PETS:
Nope.

PERSONALITY:

Her thin lips parted in a lovely smile as she read her personality, as written by an outside source. A dead outside source, but a source all the same. She liked keeping mementos of her kills. Things to remind her that they were all people, all mortal, and that they too had lives, family, and friends, who cared for them. They just happened to be on her hit list. Nothing personal. They would live with her through their affects, and she would cherish them in her heart of heart forever.

(*=her thoughts)
//Datapad Entry #090065//

How does one describe Vexil Rome? To describe her personality is literally impossible. Or at least for anyone other than Vexil Rome. She is a cautious woman, careful in all things, especially herself. She doesn't reveal anything other than what she wants to reveal. Which is the problem with her. She's paranoid, bordering on schizophrenic. *Or at least that's what they say*. She is a sweetheart, a darling girl who would just as soon save your child as she would kill your cat. *That part is half true.* She takes pride in her work, and yet in doing so she reveals so much about herself, so much that she tries to hide. *Contradictory much?* She is always careful with her targets, never taking the time to draw it out any longer than need be. She never gave any direct information on her kills, never revealed their status, jobs, or where she found them and who hired her. She always referred to them by name though, showing a level of care, of feeling, that most people in her work lack...or at least chose not to show. *Hm...* She is a beautiful complex mystery, and I long to find out more about her. This is only our fifth meeting, but still even when she sits still and silent as a stone, with her head tilted as if listening to voices only she is privy to hearing, I feel a sense of hopelessness in my hope. A seed of doubt, doubt that I'll ever truly understand her in the way that I want to. Doubt that she'll ever tell the truth, or that she is even capable of such an act *More than you'll ever know...*, so why do I bother? Why do I continue to hold these sessions with her even though they aren't mandatory? *That bastard told me they were!* Because puzzles are to be solved...

//End of Entry//

//Datapad Entry #90081//

Another meeting with Rome. That's what she likes to be called apparently. Such an odd name for a bright young lady. *History was never your strong suit was it?* Today was rather interesting. She was a lot quieter than usual. Rather than looking off to the side or offering me fake smiles *Fake? Hardly...Well sometimes.* she just stared at me. She looked...concerned. Maybe I could use a lesson from her in hiding my feelings *Oh...this session...*, but that's for another time. She wasn't very verbal this meeting. Rather, she was more focused on just listening. It was almost scary to be on the other side of the silent treatment, or maybe it was just from her. Either way, it was a unique experience as is every experience I have with her. She is someone who inspires thought, creates solutions, and causes problems *Vague...*. Is she trustworthy? Well yes. I'd say so *You'd be right*, but is she worthy of your trust? *...* That's the question. That's the puzzle I need to solve. Only then will I find out what makes her tick. Ah there's company. I must be going.

Note to self; be sure to mention what the meeting with her mother. I'm surprised she never mentioned her before. Rome's mother is a lovely and charming woman. It was like looking at Rome herself when I bumped into her at the market!

//End of Entry. Last Entry//

Good. Loose ends must always be dealt with. This wasn't a business target, this one was personal. I don't keep personal target affects, because personal targets are just people who got too close to learning the truth, who went digging where they shouldn't have, and who didn't know exactly when to leave well enough alone...

I'll always remember you, Doc, but I'm not going to shed tears over your death...

BIOGRAPHY:

Vexil Rome was born as Vanessa. Though that name didn't last very long, and she doesn't technically exist...Vanessa that is. And so it became that the alias was her real name, and her real name her alias. She was born as a ghost, and she lives as such. It's a life her parents didn't want for her, but alas, we so often fall into lives our parents didn't wish. No?

When she was young, less than five years of age, her parents discovered her Force Abilities. It was a terrifying thing for them. This was due in part, to the fact that her brother, a man who had long since been removed from their lives, was also quite an adapt in the art of the Force. They were forced to give him up, to protect him, but this? Could they really give up their second child so easily? The Sith were everywhere, they had eyes and ears across the galaxy. Giving her away again wouldn't be easy if it was at all possible. So they kept her, and they forced her to keep her powers under wraps. They punished her whenever she began playing around with the Force. She would cry, and cry, and though it broke their hearts to see their child's gifts, her talents, being stifled in such a manner, it was required. The Cartel, whom her parents were in deep debt to, wouldn't discover her abilities for some time. Ironically in forcing her to not use her powers, she learned to control them, in one way and form, at a young age as well.

When she was seven, Vexil learned the meaning of life and death. Something you'd think she would have been highly used to, having a family associated with the Cartel and whatnot, but no...she had actually been well protected from the harsh reality that all things are on a ticking clock. Unfortunately, it was time for her to learn that lesson. Her father had crossed the wrong people in refusing to do perform a spice deal. They were supposed to merely teach him a lesson. They weren't supposed to kill the man. A pair of thugs broke into their home one early afternoon, found the man, and beat him in their living room. They didn't let his wife and child leave the room, they forced them to watch as they stabbed, sliced, punched, and kicked their protector, their provider, the man who was supposed to save them from this life. Ultimately Thug A killed the man. Stabbed him right in the throat, stating he just got 'carried away'. Thug B wasn't pleased with this and shot him point blank. No honor among thieves and such. The thug never apologized. He simply stated that this mess had better get cleaned up by the time he came back. The harsh reality of those that were unable to pay their debts was that they were, in fact, property...And she was terrified. She was scared. When the Thug had left, her mother went to hold her, but she was gone. "Vanessa? Vanessa!!" She cried, but there was no audible response. Rome had never left though, she was there. She was scared. That fear had awakened a latent talent. She had become invisible from the seed of fear placed deep in her mind and heart. When she calmed down, she simply appeared. Her mother was scared to death, but happy that she was safe.

She grew up fast in this life, a dead father, talents she had to keep secret, and a father and thug she watched get murdered with her own eyes. Her mother was being worked into an early grave and she couldn't just stand by and let that happen. So she did the only sensible thing insensible people do. She went to go settle her family's debt with the Cartel. Little eleven-year-old Vanessa was going to settle up with the men who owned her family. Of course she did so without her mother's knowledge, but she had to do something, she just had to. The Cartel pretty much laughed at her, but a few thought of some uses. These could think of trades, best done with a youngin's help. Spice deals and such that would go much better with someone less...suspicious. In the end they agreed to it, if only because it didn't really matter. When the mother died, she would take on her family's debts and be put to work too. At least this way, they didn't have to fuss over an aging woman who couldn't keep up with their demands. Little Vanessa was given her first firearm two years later, before that she was just running small errands around the compound they lived in.

It was at this age, however, that another talent of hers was discovered. She had exceptional skill at slicing. Given the proper tools, she proved to be a capable slicer, pulling and planting information in a variety of systems (with some help of course). She found that she rather enjoyed this. Even if what she was doing would cause harm to people, she didn't have to face them, she didn't have to see them die. So that was fine with her. By this point her mother and her talked infrequently, and Rome, admittedly, resented her for that. Who was she to hate her for trying to save the family? Who was her mother to judge her? If she wanted to be angry, Rome thought, she should be angry with herself for being in this situation to begin with. Not at her daughter for trying to help. Rome channeled her anger into her work, specifically slicing. This went wrong, however, after a particularly nasty argument with her mother. Red, a Handler in the Cartel and the only one she would ever even dream of calling a friend, though he was hardly friend material, and her were working on her slicing, trying to speed up the time it took for her to get in and navigate systems, but she was not too focused. She was stressed about her situation, angry with her mother, and in one shout she threw her datapad on the ground and, in her obvious fit of rage, utilized a Force Push at it, smashing it into pieces. Red was impressed by this, further impressed by her ability to hide it so well. That's when she was branded. She would become Red's servant, Red's hand. He took her under his wing and branded her palms with a symbol of a Crow and a Raven. His symbols. He forced her to continue working on her Force abilities in secret under the threat of killing her mother. Rome had little choice in the matter. She did as she was told. That's when he started saying the words she would forever hate;

"Good girl."


Several years later, she killed her first sentient being. She had caused the death of others before, on various slicing missions, but again...she never had to look someone in the eye and kill them or be the one pulling the trigger. No. She didn't think she'd enjoy it, she thought she'd hate it, but...she felt nothing. No sorrow, no frustration, nothing. She just pulled the trigger and watched his body hit the floor. Had she been so tainted that murder no longer bothered her? Death was just a fact, and she had accepted it. Was this her life from now on? That is what bothered her, that is what kept her up at night. The fact that she could murder and feel nothing. It scared her. She was afraid of what she was and what she would become. By age twenty she was skilled enough in what she could do with the Force to leave, to change what she was, to change what she had become and was becoming, but she stayed. She would stare at the door of their little hut for hours, trying to convince herself to just take her mother and run. But she couldn't. She couldn't muster up that will. She was a Cartel Girl. That was what she was now, and that's what she would always be. This fact would be later confirmed in life after the death of strangers.

Three years of this had gone by, she did most of her jobs alone, she was recognized, she was talented, she was skilled, she was her own person. So much so that when Red approached her about a rather complicated Spice deal she accepted without hesitation. A simple trade? She was beyond this, but he came with her claiming that it wasn't exactly as innocent as it seemed. She was disgusted by Red when she saw their clients. A middleaged couple, hooked on the stuff, and struggling to live. Their children were sleeping in the next room, and they didn't have the money to pay for all the goods. When they tried to attack Red, Rome sprung into action. With a quick Push one was shoved against a wall, and she physically restrained the other. She couldn't let them hurt Red. Red would be very displeased. That didn't save them though, he ordered Rome to kill them. She didn't comply. He ordered her again. Again, she didn't comply. When he struck her, she stood her ground. So Red shot them himself, and they left. When they got back, Red beat Rome savagely, creating the scars on her back and torso today. The morning after, she resolved that this was her life now. She would forever be here. Forever be subjected to the Cartel's will. Whether she wanted it or not. If she had to live here, if she had to be with them, she would at least rise up. To do that, Red had to fall. Something that was accomplished the week after. It was a terrible accident on an assassination mission. Just an accident.

EDIT: This guy.

 

[Insoulent]

Honestly, he/she isn't a bad roleplayer, descent honestly. That in itself is enough for me to give the OK. But they haven't really hashed out why that character would be an Enforcer. There has to be a real legit reason for being an Enforcer, and why it's important enough for us to accept her right away as an Enforcer. Maybe flesh out her character a bit more, explaining what types of jobs she's done, or maybe some big major job that has helped her achieve the rank.

Other than that, I have no major problem with it, but I think come her time to rank up to Champios (whenever that may be), we be more harsh/strict on her approval. Before we give the OK, I think we should find out how serious she is about being the Cartel, because from my initial thought is this character will probably eventually be freed of the Cartel's influence. My two-cents anyway.

edit: basically if this character probably won't be sticking around, why is it so important for her to be an enforcer?

 

[Cassanova]

Vexillar (previously Viole) i know is a good RPer, but i've always been dodgy on granting ranks before they've been earned. So stuffed about for a few minutes with Search, and discovered the following facts about some of his/her previous characters:
(Note; if this person hasn't updated their profile, I'm' running on outdated info)

• First fact; this person has only had two characters. One Sith and one Indie.
• Verro Kalesh (Indie)
  No RP's completed with this character - not surprising, as its only 8 days old, but has successfully utilised Saul's profile (a feat in itself).
  
• Viole Nivar (Sith)
  A good number of RP's completed with this character (At Crusader rank) including 5 taught classes, suggesting that this person Rp's for the benefit of others sometimes.

With that in mind, and even with what Kev said, I am drawn back to two things I know for certain;
Fang was granted JK rank when he first arrived and was a total pain in the ass for up to 8 months before he got his shit together.

And secondly (and more relevantly):

A. In a pre-established faction, everyone starts off at the lowest level unless given special permission from the Faction Leader. The only exception is when you are creating an Independent Faction, in which case you would start off as the leader.

This rule is more readily circumvented when the person in question has achieved the rank - or similar - in another faction. Having not done that (as i don't qualify a Sith Crusader comparable to a Cartel Enforcer), I'm inclined to say No, or at the least have this person satisfactorily answer Kev's question:

basically if this character probably won't be sticking around, why is it so important for her to be an enforcer?

And being honest; there's not going to be a good enough reason - especially not for us to give a rank to someone who has, at least on this site, little to no crime role-play experience. So more or less, my vote rests on a No.

 

[Just Matt Now]

From what she has told me, her character will be in the Cartel for the long-haul (actually that is exactly what she told me). Tbh, I am stuck in between. I want to give it to her, but I dont think she has enough under her belt, experience wise, to earn it. Though, I will ask her what significance she has with being an Enforcer before making a final decision.

So If I'm right:

Kev: Yes
James: No
Matt: Undecided

 

[Just Matt Now]

This was her response. Tbh, it makes sense to me. And she seems strong with her intentions of keeping her with the Cartel.

Her being an Enforcer is what gives her the freedom to access assets of the Cartel to perform her duties and find her brother. As a Prospect, she's too limited to go on such a journey. That's the first (though not the most important) thing. The second, is that as an Enforcer her history makes sense. I could lower her age and cut out her history to fit that of a Prospect, and just time bubble her, of course, but that's more work for everyone than anyone really needs, plus then her history would be kind of abruptly over and that would just irritate me as a writer since it'd look weird =P Third, having her as an Enforcer also allows me more flexibility in playing out her struggles and such with her mother. Something I can railroad in the story, as opposed to letting it float down and fall where it may. Her tension with her mom is a vital portion of Rome's psyche, the conflict, both internal and external, of protecting her biological family while serving her occupational family in a setting where the choices have pretty much been made for her. Leaving it up to RP it might not turn out that way, and then I run the risk of running into Big Brother and her actually siding with him. I'd rather not chance that since I want her to be a Cartel member. Not a Jedi. True, that's still a possibility, but this way she's already so rooted in the Cartel that even the thought (this is speaking as if she knows of her brother and knows he's a Jedi) of siding with him is laughable.

I guess the root of the requirement for her being an Enforcer is to start the character at a position where I have both freedom and restrictions. It's not about the powers, or stats, or anything really. Shit, I don't even have any powers or fancy gear, it's all for freedom to advance her story without worry, and the restriction of her story going too far off track. Since as a writer I cannot condone metagaming my characters. It's like killing puppies...

If that's not good enough, that's fine. I understand, heh.

 

[Cassanova]

I will say that sure, we can do this. But in order to get to the rank of Captain, she'll have to meet the requirements for BOTH Enforcer and Champios. 12 threads, 6 minimum as missions. And three vouches to gain that promotion.

 

[Just Matt Now]

I agree. I'm going to assume that Kev also agrees since he was okay with it to begin with.

 

[Cassanova]

Yeah, i just don't want this person 'skipping' the same 'legwork' that others have to achieve in order to get to that rank - especially without having done it before. The rank, ultimately is a story driven thing, so I'm happy to go with it.

 

[Cassanova]

Character Name: Atlas Nova, though she also answers to Ghost and Blink, two of the most common nicknames coined by previous employers.

Link: [LINK]

Noted 'Events': A well-known Bounty/Jedi with a reliable but no-nonsense reputation, Altas Nova has several Jedi kills to her name. However, after having bad experiences with Mercenaries United, The Black Sun Syndicate, and other contracts, she's decided to turn to the Hutts. It's the one place where there's promise of a good working relationship--no double crossings, no "lost" paychecks, etc.

Noted 'Skills': Atlas has attained mastery of Niman, proficiency in Jar'Kai, and can handle lightsabers as well as swords and knives. She is also a good shot with rifles and pistols, both slugthrowers and blasters. Her force abilities are strong, having many years of experience as both a Jedi (not IC'ly known) and a hunter.

Desired Rank: Enforcer--but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm a bit at odds, being honest. The story is great, but really we don't know jack squat about the character, other than she ran to Hutt Space to escape her own grief. Beyond that, its also difficult to determine how the character has evolved as there is no thread history leading up to that.

I'd be happy to accept the character as a Prospect as is, but if Bantha wants to pursue the Enforcer rank, I'd be expecting a great deal more depth in the biography about her time in the Hutt Cartel, what she did to get to that rank, etc.

 

[The Kyzer]

I'm a bit at odds, being honest. The story is great, but really we don't know jack squat about the character, other than she ran to Hutt Space to escape her own grief. Beyond that, its also difficult to determine how the character has evolved as there is no thread history leading up to that.

I'd be happy to accept the character as a Prospect as is, but if Bantha wants to pursue the Enforcer rank, I'd be expecting a great deal more depth in the biography about her time in the Hutt Cartel, what she did to get to that rank, etc.

Maybe tell Bantha that? I wouldn't hold my breath on it either as I see no IC-support for these abilities (the Niman Mastery bugs me). Maybe ask for an updated RP list if there is one?

If not...well...

I'll read through all of these RP's and give a better judgement call.

EDIT:

Nooopity nope. It's not that it's bad. It's just not good enough that I'd feel solid regarding a Enforcer-rank upon entering. With the activity issues along with it, I'm saying no. Good for Prospect, anf once he proves himsel, Enforcer, but no immediate rank-up.

 

[Cassanova]

Bantha has withdrawn her application for Enforcer, and is happy to accept Prospect… so thats what i done.