SPOILER THREAD: The Last Jedi

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"You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it, and... my sister has it."

Leia is Anakin Skywalker's daughter. We've known since Return of the Jedi that she had the same ability to learn how to use the Force as Luke did. We've seen in three movies that she can, at the very least, sense things through the Force.

Something like Force pull requires no training, just concentration. Luke did it in The Empire Strikes Back without any training. Same with Rey in The Force Awakens. What Leia did was no different.

"We never saw it, therefore it makes no sense" is a very flimsy argument.
 

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I disagree.

This is a movie not a book, if we don't see it or have some form of recognition of it verbally we as an audience cannot hope to know what has gone on. For example if I read a book there can be exposition on what exactly happened to Leia while she was in space

eg: As Leia's breath left her she felt a power that she had never felt before. Channeling it, concentrating everything she had on it, she felt her body move toward the ship.

That basically explained that due to the dire circumstances she was in the force was able to be used at a higher level then she is used to. However, watching a movie we don't get that explanation.

So Leia can force pull. Did she have training? Why did we not any kind of physical force abilities before or after that event? It could've helped on Crait potentially. And on that note, how did she even survive the bridge's destruction? Some force shield?

My point here being that the fact these questions are being asked by the average movie goer means the movie failed to properly communicate with the audience. Should the movie be a fan fiction that caters to everyone? Absolutely not! But it also shouldn't assume that audiences will just gloss over details like Snoke or Leia's flying just so the story can go on. I'm not a professional writer or story teller but I like to think I'm decent enough at it that I can see when a story is flawed and I believe this one is. And maybe the next film will serve to compliment this one in a way that makes it less flawed, we'll have to see.

At the end of the day Rian did do one thing well, he made a story that people are talking about.
 

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I disagree.

This is a movie not a book, if we don't see it or have some form of recognition of it verbally we as an audience cannot hope to know what has gone on. For example if I read a book there can be exposition on what exactly happened to Leia while she was in space

eg: As Leia's breath left her she felt a power that she had never felt before. Channeling it, concentrating everything she had on it, she felt her body move toward the ship.

That basically explained that due to the dire circumstances she was in the force was able to be used at a higher level then she is used to. However, watching a movie we don't get that explanation.

So Leia can force pull. Did she have training? Why did we not any kind of physical force abilities before or after that event? It could've helped on Crait potentially. And on that note, how did she even survive the bridge's destruction? Some force shield?

My point here being that the fact these questions are being asked by the average movie goer means the movie failed to properly communicate with the audience. Should the movie be a fan fiction that caters to everyone? Absolutely not! But it also shouldn't assume that audiences will just gloss over details like Snoke or Leia's flying just so the story can go on. I'm not a professional writer or story teller but I like to think I'm decent enough at it that I can see when a story is flawed and I believe this one is. And maybe the next film will serve to compliment this one in a way that makes it less flawed, we'll have to see.

At the end of the day Rian did do one thing well, he made a story that people are talking about.
If you need to know those sorts of things then more power to you, but just recognize that this does not represent what most moviegoers will be thinking, and that your need for answers at any given moment is not a flaw in the movie.

Average moviegoers are smarter than you think, and going into a movie like Star Wars and seeing things like this is easily understood with "Leia's a Skywalker and she used the Force."

People generally don't want to watch Wookieepedia: The Movie. That would be a really boring movie.
 

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For the average movie goer, we don't need to go over every character's history. For a Star Wars fan, it's different, or can be.

Phasma, for example... Reading all I did about Phasma in the novel and comic, the only thing it would remotely explain is why she lowers the shields: She's only loyal to herself. But everything else doesn't. How did she escape? Same way Hux escaped and grabbed Kylo before the planet exploded. It just happened. The First Order don't know she turned the shields down too because all evidence was lost when Starkiller base exploded, unless you read the comic. Other then that, I could of saw "The Last Jedi" without reading Phasma's novel and comic, and nothing would have changed.

Not every movie can be like Watchmen where all their pasts are explained, because it'll drag on and then you got an even longer movie then you already got, one I personally think didn't need to be as long. Sure, it's nice to know all these things about planets, ships and characters, but they don't matter in the film. They are irrelevant to casual viewers and Star Wars fans to the main plot of the story happening on the screen.

And on my third(and first paid) viewing... did the Falcon lose it's dish again in the cave?
 

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Fair enough. I’m going to see it again so I will keep all this in mind on my second viewing.
 

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It actually took me two viewings for me to determine what I really thought of the film, and I caught a lot of things I missed on my first one.
 

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It definitely seems like a two view movie for sure so I’m interested to see how my opinions change on the second viewing.
 

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Just saw TLJ for the first time. I won't go as far as saying that it was the greatest Star Wars of all time, but I can say that in my honest opinion, it was better than TFA. It was fun and exciting, and the setpieces including the massive space battle at the beginning (with the bombers) was one of my favorite parts, as well as the scene where Luke finally got some action (more or less).

As cool as it was, I was kind of underwhelmed by Rose. I get this is our first film with her, but I didn't really understand the purpose except for her to be good as a mechanic for a mission that happened to need a mechanic and her necklace.

As a side note, I find it kind of ironic that the two characters from the original trilogy, Luke and Han, 'died' but their actors are still alive, while vice versa for Carrie Fisher. Not saying it's a bad thing, just extremely ironic.

That's all. If I see it again, I'll probably post about it.
 

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As a side note, I find it kind of ironic that the two characters from the original trilogy, Luke and Han, 'died' but their actors are still alive, while vice versa for Carrie Fisher. Not saying it's a bad thing, just extremely ironic.

That's all. If I see it again, I'll probably post about it.

I can guarentee you, I would be very surprised and dissapointed if Luke's Ghost was not in Episode IX.
 

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Average moviegoers are smarter than you think, and going into a movie like Star Wars and seeing things like this is easily understood with "Leia's a Skywalker and she used the Force."

Which is, generally speaking, why the fandom of any popular franchise is usually said franchise's worst enemy.
 

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FINALLY got the chance to see it
And, despite being semi spoiled beforehand
Loved it
9/10
 

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Why not 10/10?
What could possibly have made you give it less than full marks?

...It was the Porgs, wasn't it?
Those damn Porgs, they ruin everything.
 

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Why not 10/10?
What could possibly have made you give it less than full marks?

...It was the Porgs, wasn't it?
Those damn Porgs, they ruin everything.
Well
I personally found the force scenes, at least a certain few, to be slightly cringy. I also wasn't a big fan of the sudden Finn/Rose romance or the way they handled Luke.
All fairly minor things, and of course I still loved the movie
But a 10/10, in my opinion, can only be the best of the best of the best
EDIT: Honestly, I loved the Porgs
 

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"EDIT: Honestly, I loved the Porgs"

Don't worry, so did I. It was a joke, I just like winding people up. ;)

Which star wars film would you rate as the best, 10/10?

(I bet my entire Porg collection that you say Empire Strikes Back). ;)
 

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Academy Award Nominated Actor Brandon Rhea. I love how he expresses his emotions into so many little Porglets. I heard how each one, or a lot of them, was actually CGI'd over Puffin Birds due to the filming location.​
 
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