Tons of Star Wars Battlefront Rumours + Force Awakens Info

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Did anyone, anywhere, think that that desert planet with the exact same looking landscape as Tatooine, wasn't going to be Tatooine?

Space to ground battles and 64 player games, that's gonna be epic though.
 

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Did anyone, anywhere, think that that desert planet with the exact same looking landscape as Tatooine, wasn't going to be Tatooine?

I've seen more Episode VII concept art than almost anyone not associated with the film's production. I say that arrogant-sounding statement just to say this:

It's not totally clear that it's Tatooine. I think it probably is, but there are certain signs that make me think it could be a planet that just happens to have a desert on it.

That said, this Battlefront info is pretty cool.
 

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I think its Tatooine. XD Or like.... the Sahara Desert and theyre visiting us this movie. ^_^
 

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When the hell are we getting a proper gameplay trailer?

It's supposed to come out this year.
 

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When the hell are we getting a proper gameplay trailer?

It's supposed to come out this year.

During E3, would be my guess. And I had no idea there was a release date already. Super hyped for it, especially since they told us they wouldn't be giving it a release date for awhile.

And the way they're forming the campaign is very reminiscent of the way they did the very first Battlefront's. It's being co-released with a movie, (a la Battlefront 1/Episode 3) therefore we get to play a glimpse from that movie (BF1/Battle of Kashyyyk)

Edit: When the game is released, everyone on the site who gets it should have a grand ole' gigantic match, what with the 64-player limit and all. :D
 

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Not sure I like how the Seperatists are labelled "bad guys" when they wanted something different.. Sure, they're not particularly great guys, but its war.
 

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Not sure I like how the Seperatists are labelled "bad guys" when they wanted something different.. Sure, they're not particularly great guys, but its war.

There were good people in the Separatist Alliance, but the Separatist Army was absolutely bad. The droid army was a tool of the Sith and of the corporate interests that actually controlled the Separatists. The good people had very little say. Those who spoke out with any sort of influence, like Mina Bonteri did, were killed.
 

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The Clone Wars show made the Separatists or the ones that ran it anyways, seemed like a bunch of greedy businessmen who had no problem murdering and making civilians suffer just so they could get what they want. Them, the Sith running it from the shadows and Grevious pretty much destroy and "good cause" that the Separatists may have had.
 
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The Clone Wars show made the Separatists or the ones that ran it anyways, seemed like a bunch of greedy businessmen who had no problem murdering and making civilians suffer just so they could get what they want. Them, the Sith running it from the shadows and Grevious pretty much destroy and "good cause" that the Separatists may have had.

The show didn't do that. The Separatists were always like that. The only Separatists we saw in the films were the Sith, Grievous, the Trade Federation, the Techno Union, the Geonosians, etc. They were always evil at the top, and their goal was always (though unknowingly) the dominion of the Sith. It was the show that actually went in and added nuance to the people of the Separatist Alliance, by actually giving meaning to what had previously been the nonsensical phrase "There are heroes on both sides."
 
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They were literally designed like cartoonish demonic evil villains from the outset.

Lucas is an idiot.

I mean suuure, the Empire had that element at it's core in the OT, but it was grounded in a believable utilitarian and militaristic reality of cold steel, fascist grey uniforms and weapons of mass destruction.
 

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Here's something I once said on another site about how I think the Separatists could have been improved (this is just taking Episode II and Episode III into account, not the show):

The problem with the Separatists, as the prequels presented them, is that they're one-dimensional and really boring. We know that they're being manipulated by Darth Sidious, but we don't know what they really want. They have to have a motivation beyond being manipulated, just like how the Trade Federation had a motive in Episode I (space taxes). The most we can gather is that Nute Gunray, the central, non-Sith Separatist character who is inexplicably not in prison, is mad about Naboo and wants to kill Padmé. What about the others, though? Our first introduction to the Separatists is on Geonosis, where Obi-Wan is spying on them. We see the Trade Federation, the Corporate Alliance, the Commerce Guild, and the Techno Union pledge support, but we don't know why they do that. Since those are all corporate names, I suppose we can infer that it’s about business interests, which could have been an interesting story about unchecked corporate power (especially in the wake of a corporation invading Naboo) if done in more detail, but we never actually know.

What if there had been a Separatist movement that had legitimate issues with the Republic, ones we could sympathize with? Maybe, for some planets, the Republic really wasn't all that helpful in keeping them safe or prosperous. Maybe the Republic was even detrimental, plundering their resources and inadvertently hurting their people. Maybe this was going on for a long time, but the desperate cries of these planets were going unanswered. Remember, the Republic doesn't have to be a shining beacon of greatness in this era. We're just a few short years before it becomes the Empire. The Republic should have been less-than-stellar until finally, one day, a voice of rebellion emerges, a charismatic leader who believes that the Republic needs to be replaced by something better.

Bail Organa of Alderaan.

He wouldn't be a Republic senator. He'd be a royal from Alderaan, a planet that no longer believes that the Republic has the best interests of the galaxy at heart. Alderaan is a founding member of the Republic, adding weight to their concerns and their membership in the Separatist movement. At first, we only hear about the Separatists and their cause from the Republic's point of view. The Republic believes they're doing a bad thing, perhaps that they're even evil, and Obi-Wan is sent to infiltrate them and find out everything he can about how horrible they are.

Then he actually infiltrates them, and learns that they’re not evil. He starts to learn that they're right, that the Republic is corrupt and that it is turning into something terrible, especially under Chancellor Palpatine. As Obi-Wan becomes disillusioned, and becomes friends with Separatist leader Organa, Anakin is getting to know Palpatine more, becoming more patriotic in the process. There are heroes on both sides, and we see the points of view of both those who strongly support the Republic (through Anakin) and those who are beginning to see it for what it really is (Obi-Wan and Organa). That sets up the conflict and the end of the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin, where Obi-Wan believes that the Separatists truly represent the ideals of the Old Republic and, as a Jedi, he should fight for them; and where Anakin believes in bringing greater order and stability to the galaxy through a powerful central authority. Eventually, Anakin's lust for power would lead to his fall, and I'll discuss that idea more in my Episode III review.

Think about this as well: Princess Leia said that Obi-Wan served her father during the Clone Wars, but she never said what side they served on. In fact, the idea of Obi-Wan being part of the Separatists brings greater weight to his story about how the Empire took over the Republic and led to the dark times. He would've seen it coming and fought to stop it, only to fail and lose his best friend in the process.

The defeated Separatists, as led by Bail Organa, would also then become the (very few) first members of the Rebel Alliance. We start Episode II believing they're villains, before learning that they become the central heroes of the original trilogy. And though Alderaan would eventually pledge loyalty to the Empire, we'd have a pretty good idea why Tarkin decided to destroy it: they are, and always will be, a threat to the central authority, regardless of whether that authority calls itself Republic or Empire.

That would've been more interesting to me, because the problem with making the Separatists into cookie-cutter evil villains and portraying the Republic as this noble government is that it makes the Republic's transformation into the Empire a light switch. It flips from light to dark with the flick of a finger. The TV series obviously helped with that problem, but in the context of the films themselves, it doesn't work and could've been much improved.
 

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No sorry, I need to be more specific. I don't like the generalization that was made, because it will be like that when you use "pure good" as a basis. Everything is evil compared to "Good guys", because not everybody can be as good as good guys.

I agree that the people running the Seperatists were bad, but it cannot be said that everybody was. Hell. Many episodes that were political involved people saying "sorry we can't continue with the republic for reason x, we'll have to go with the seperatists." which just goes to proove how a divide treated the people at the bottom.
 

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No sorry, I need to be more specific. I don't like the generalization that was made, because it will be like that when you use "pure good" as a basis. Everything is evil compared to "Good guys", because not everybody can be as good as good guys.

I agree that the people running the Seperatists were bad, but it cannot be said that everybody was. Hell. Many episodes that were political involved people saying "sorry we can't continue with the republic for reason x, we'll have to go with the seperatists." which just goes to proove how a divide treated the people at the bottom.

The Separatists, despite having some isolated good elements in them, were a fundamentally bad and rotten organization.

Plus, the good elements have zero relevance to a game where we'll see clone troopers vs. battle droids. Clones good, droids bad. No real way around that.
 
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