What went wrong with Star Wars?

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The old ending, would have been better but it was still good
 

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Quite frankly, that's a downer ending. It would be a dark, muted end, and people would be disappointed that "good didn't beat evil."

And I really don't know why people continue to complain about the movies these days; sure, they weren't perfect, but really, that's no reason to complain.
 

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Quite frankly, that's a downer ending. It would be a dark, muted end, and people would be disappointed that "good didn't beat evil."

And I really don't know why people continue to complain about the movies these days; sure, they weren't perfect, but really, that's no reason to complain.

I liked the way the movies turned out. I guess the Ewok thing was sort of silly, but like you said Good should beat Evil. If it ended like that, I'd have felt screwed out of an ending, the whole thing would be unresolved.
 

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The new-song at the end makes it actually quite lovely =) I don't find it silly. They're just all like... "we did it... and we're alive!"
 

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Kind of wish they wouldve stuck with the original ending.
 

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I don't think star wars would be as popular today if they went with the original ending.
 

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Moved to Star Wars Saga board.

Please remember to put Star Wars threads like this in that board. Thanks.
 

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Personally I've been asking myself this and sometimes changes are cool like hayden christianson instead of some random guy at the end of return of the jedi but altering it to much makes it a different movie and for an example of my argument i refer to south park.
 

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Personally I've been asking myself this and sometimes changes are cool like hayden christianson instead of some random guy at the end of return of the jedi but altering it to much makes it a different movie and for an example of my argument i refer to south park.

You're contradicting yourself, though. Adding in Hayden Christensen does make it a different movie. It completely changes the meaning of the ending, it's not just replacing one guy for another and not changing any deeper meaning.

By adding Hayden, Vader's sacrifice becomes a reversion, not a redemption. What do I mean by this? According to Lucas, as well as the explanation for that ghost change, Anakin died on Mustafar. That's why he appears young as a ghost. But if Anakin died on Mustafar, who saved Luke? Who killed the Emperor? Who died in the Death Star's landing bay?

It separates Anakin and Vader into two separate characters, which destroys the idea of redemption. With Hayden, the film is saying that the character reverted back to how he was in Episode III. Last time I checked, though, Hayden's character wasn't exactly a saint. This is a character who murdered the Sand People, killed Count Dooku in cold blood, slaughtered younglings, went on a rampage through the Jedi Temple, and murdered the Separatist Council. This was all done before Anakin supposedly died by the lava river.

And yet this is the redeemed version of the character?

No, it completely changes the ending. The only pure version of the character prior to his death was in Episode I, so a 10 year old Jake Lloyd is the only way that the change can make any sense.

Either way, it would still change the ending. It was not some random guy who played Anakin's ghost, it was the same actor who portrayed Anakin when the mask of Darth Vader was removed from his face. The removal of the mask was symbolic. It was freeing Anakin from the shackles and burdens of the dark side, allowing him to die at peace.

He may not have been forgiven by the galaxy, but he was redeemed in the eyes of the Force, and he died peacefully after fulfilling his destiny, but more important after saving his children from the Emperor. The ghost we originally saw was a representation of the character, at that stage in his life, freed from the chains of Vader.

He was a kindly old man, smiling warmly and proudly at his son during the Ewok celebration. He was a redeemed Jedi. It was a redemption, one that acknowledges that Anakin and Vader are the same person, not a reset button that forgets Vader ever happened.

That is the appropriate ending for the saga, not taking Hayden Christensen's head from a wardrobe test and pasting it into an iconic scene and ruining the entire meaning of it.
 

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They probably just did it because they had absolutely no clue what Anakin would look like in his late forties.

Frankly they could have did it because he looked the best then not because it was a reversion. Hell they might have just say why not.
 

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They probably just did it because they had absolutely no clue what Anakin would look like in his late forties.

Frankly they could have did it because he looked the best then not because it was a reversion. Hell they might have just say why not.

Changing it for any of those reasons are purely superficial and completely undermined a story that had been around for 21 years.
 

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You're contradicting yourself, though. Adding in Hayden Christensen does make it a different movie. It completely changes the meaning of the ending, it's not just replacing one guy for another and not changing any deeper meaning.

By adding Hayden, Vader's sacrifice becomes a reversion, not a redemption. What do I mean by this? According to Lucas, as well as the explanation for that ghost change, Anakin died on Mustafar. That's why he appears young as a ghost. But if Anakin died on Mustafar, who saved Luke? Who killed the Emperor? Who died in the Death Star's landing bay?

It separates Anakin and Vader into two separate characters, which destroys the idea of redemption. With Hayden, the film is saying that the character reverted back to how he was in Episode III. Last time I checked, though, Hayden's character wasn't exactly a saint. This is a character who murdered the Sand People, killed Count Dooku in cold blood, slaughtered younglings, went on a rampage through the Jedi Temple, and murdered the Separatist Council. This was all done before Anakin supposedly died by the lava river.

And yet this is the redeemed version of the character?

No, it completely changes the ending. The only pure version of the character prior to his death was in Episode I, so a 10 year old Jake Lloyd is the only way that the change can make any sense.

Either way, it would still change the ending. It was not some random guy who played Anakin's ghost, it was the same actor who portrayed Anakin when the mask of Darth Vader was removed from his face. The removal of the mask was symbolic. It was freeing Anakin from the shackles and burdens of the dark side, allowing him to die at peace.

He may not have been forgiven by the galaxy, but he was redeemed in the eyes of the Force, and he died peacefully after fulfilling his destiny, but more important after saving his children from the Emperor. The ghost we originally saw was a representation of the character, at that stage in his life, freed from the chains of Vader.

He was a kindly old man, smiling warmly and proudly at his son during the Ewok celebration. He was a redeemed Jedi. It was a redemption, one that acknowledges that Anakin and Vader are the same person, not a reset button that forgets Vader ever happened.

That is the appropriate ending for the saga, not taking Hayden Christensen's head from a wardrobe test and pasting it into an iconic scene and ruining the entire meaning of it.
Thats a better way to look at it and really I didn't see it that way cause yeah your right I forgot he did kill a bunch of people in attack of the clones. Then again though I never really thought to much into the ending that way. So yeah it does make it a better representation of "redemption". Personally though vader is way cooler. I mean how cool is the "empire strikes back" best star wars movie ever.
 

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Yes but their also as good as any other guess.

There is no guess. Lucas has said why he made the change, and it's because, according to him, Anakin died on Mustafar, therefore that's how his ghost should appear. My post explained why this is wrong and changes the ending of the story.
 

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There is no guess. Lucas has said why he made the change, and it's because, according to him, Anakin died on Mustafar, therefore that's how his ghost should appear. My post explained why this is wrong and changes the ending of the story.

Yeah and that means Lucas contradicted his own movies and therefore is a Dbag cause when anakin kills the sand people it plays the "dark themed music" in the background case in point being.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33IMvlWPam0&feature=related
 

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They probably just did it because they had absolutely no clue what Anakin would look like in his late forties.

Frankly they could have did it because he looked the best then not because it was a reversion. Hell they might have just say why not.
I recognized the random dude as Vader when I was like 9. It did take a moment to make the connection, but I did see him as the same person. I was totally appalled when Hayden's face was plastered onto the Ep. VI ghost. It just felt wrong to me, like Vader after Mustafar meant nothing.
 

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There is no guess. Lucas has said why he made the change, and it's because, according to him, Anakin died on Mustafar, therefore that's how his ghost should appear. My post explained why this is wrong and changes the ending of the story.

Oh. Oh well.
 
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