A Stroll Through The Abyss OOC

[Eccles]

You did not mention that at all, you mentioned that you'd collide with an ALLY.

I'll edit the rest in later, but let me be very clear here: I was preventing a collide with Korvo and Phoenix's laser fire directed at Korvo.

EDIT:

I'm not really seeing a need to explain the timing again or the positioning. The fact that Korvo went full-on brakes is the reason they're so damned close. I can't see how that somehow is so strange, so I've asked others to give me their opinion in private. If Korvo, however, takes the same no-compromise stance as you do, we'll just leave this to an admin.

 

[Phoenix]

The missiles were addressed in our posts (#11 and #12 respectively), with my fighter taking damage, and Korvo doing his stunt based on hitting Prudence's missile with his own. If this was an issue that needed to be addressed instead of being accepted it should have been done so at the time prior to this posting round, as you guys posting indicates an acceptance of the actions of the previous round.

You're right, now that I'm looking back on it, it's not an issue. Forget I said anything.

I'd agree that the timing is an issue as to whether or not Ecc was able to get a missile shot off, which would in turn result in a hit on Korvo since he did not address the missile this round, but could also be interpreted as having interrupted the action at the completion of the turn given that Korvo's post indicates that the fighter was hit coming to the end of the loop, and it's entirely conceivable that the missile would be vaporized before anything could happen if it it's only being fired a split second afterwards. Seems like the kind of timing issue that might require admin intervention.

This I do still feel we'll need some resolution about. I might report it to an admin (partially for time extension). Since it wasn't addressed in the post and there was no mention of the missile. Not it being caught in the blast radius or it being prevented from firing, so it does seem like it would be an auto-hit. I'll hold off reporting until tomorrow though.

 

[Korvo]

Oh Jesus, what have I doonee??!!

I'm not the most attentive when it comes to jumping into discussions, but there seems to be a lot of confusion over what I did, and what I'm not doing. I'll tackle a few of these;

1. I am not attacking twice. Part of my actions in my earlier post were reiterated because Phoenix attacked me in the middle of my actions during my previous post. Think of it as a "Previously on..." moment. Phoenix attacked my during my half-spin. That means he attacked me before I attacked Ecc. That means I had to tailor my actions in kind, which is why some events seemed to be repeated.
2. I did not break, stop or spin uncontrollably. My maneuver was Gandder's Spin (as opposed to Koiogan's Turn). This is a horizontal 180-degree spin that produces a similar effect (you turn about-face), but is done, in my particular case, through cutting power to the engines, engaging the side thrusters to execute a horizontal spin until I'm about-face, then engaging both thrusters to halt the spin. The speed that I was moving carries over (Newton's law about gravity and objects and space and such). So there was never any danger of collision, specifically since my character flew past Ecc's, not toward his person.
3. Content wise; why didn't I address Ecc's missile? Because that attack itself was interrupted by an attack that Ecc himself didn't respond to; at least not in any literary measure that I could see. The timetable of Ecc's attack was a tad confusing, but there was no way his attack would have happened before mine, since in his posts previous, the only written indication of movement he made was when he first flew off to destroy the hyperspace rings. Beyond that, there was never any motion of his starfighter. I partially made a concession by reemphasizing that Taox took off in an opposite direction at top speed. In every Star Wars film that included starfighters and missiles, interceptor-class fighters have always been able to at least temporarily outrun homing / locked-on missiles. In Star Wars media, sharp course-changing was the most common way of evading missiles. Taox was being projected in one direction by his previous velocity, then engaged his engines while turned toward the opposite direction. Sharp course change, but this was an undertone, just in case the previous content became an issue... which it apparently did.

Beyond that, I'd operate better if I had some reiteration over what the other issues are/were, if any.

 

[Phoenix]

I'll let Ecc address any other concerns he has regarding your missile.

My real concern seems to be about the timing of Ecc's missile. The timing still seems a little iffy to me based on what's been written in his and your post. It it still seems to me like his attack was disregarded when it shouldn't have been. I know your idea is that his attack would have been interrupted by your own, but doesn't seem to me what's been written in your post?

The specific line i'm talking about is

The enemy fighter that had been ahead of Taox (@Ecclessey) had taken an evasive maneuver against Zanra's concussive missile, bypassing its danger completely. It was a half-loop of sorts that bought him about-face, straight ahead of Taox's own starfighter.

That confirms that Ecc finished his half-loop (since your character is registering it happen and it's all written in the past tense) and the end of the half-loop is simultaneous with the missile firing as per here:

Then Ata made a half 180 degrees roll to finish the half loop, which he extended, putting the first Jedi (@Korvo) and his spinning starfighter right in his sights. With his high speed coming out of the turn he barely had enough time for two fraction of a second actions, first he fired a concussion missile of his own at the target he had already locked,

So that means that based on your post, the missile would have fired but was still not addressed in your post. That's what my concern is, but I know Ecc has already reported the thread which is why I'm holding off posting even though my 48 is almost up.

 

[Korvo]

I'll let Ecc address any other concerns he has regarding your missile.

My real concern seems to be about the timing of Ecc's missile. The timing still seems a little iffy to me based on what's been written in his and your post. It it still seems to me like his attack was disregarded when it shouldn't have been. I know your idea is that his attack would have been interrupted by your own, but doesn't seem to me what's been written in your post?

The specific line i'm talking about is


That confirms that Ecc finished his half-loop (since your character is registering it happen and it's all written in the past tense) and the end of the half-loop is simultaneous with the missile firing as per here:


So that means that based on your post, the missile would have fired but was still not addressed in your post. That's what my concern is, but I know Ecc has already reported the thread which is why I'm holding off posting even though my 48 is almost up.

Kewl, I can tackle this right now;

I cannot change the sequence of events after they've already happened. As I stated before, the first part of my post was a reiteration of what happened in my previous one, but I included acknowledgements of what Ecc's character was doing, since the timeline of when he did these things was unknown. He just does them, which partially confused me at the get-go, as at the missile detonation would have happened at the same time (Gal and I were traveling at the same speed and attacking at the same time).

I was not changing, nor can I actually change if I wanted to, the order in which they happened. The posting order dictates sequence, and PvP threads are largely action and reaction, moves and counter-moves. Once one action takes place, it is set in stone and the follow-up action has to be in relation to it. The only semi-exception (it's really not an exception, but can carry the appearance of one) is an action that functions as an interrupt or a potential interrupt (and in this, action is taken only in response to a previous action done against a character).

If my choice of layout was to blame, apologies now and for whoever is in charge of sorting this all out :(

 

[Eccles]

If my timeline was confusing just ask for me to make it more clear, and I'll explain OOC and edit it in. Now you guys accepted the way I went about it by posting, yet completely disregard it at the same time.

That's why I requested admin intervention, as its a mess now and I just want an outcome so we can work forward from a baseline and I (or we all) can take it with us as points for improval in our next dogfight.

 

[Necris]

Also since I posted about Ecc shooting his missile happening doesn't that also mean it's happened?

 

[Phoenix]

If my choice of layout was to blame, apologies now and for whoever is in charge of sorting this all out :(

#BLAMEKORVO :p

 

[Necris]

Ok what's going on with this? I'm heading away for the weekend is it likely that I'm going to need to post before I head off?

 

[Eccles]

No, we're still waiting on the admins and even then you have plenty of time to post after the weekend without going over your allowed time to post.

 

[Necris]

Ok good to know

 

[Eccles]

@Galavant @Korvo @Phoenix

This is taking so long that I'm starting to wonder if I didn't accidently click 'cancel' after writing up the report. Haven't had a reply back from my question to admins whether or not the report showed up, so there's that. Eccles is doubting his clicking capabilitites and state of mind.

If we haven't had a ruling on monday, what do you guys want to do? To prevent calling it a mission req for a Jedi Invasion, I'd say let it be a tie, with my character being killed to cover your escape, effecitvely ending the thread. I'm sure that we'll have the chance to dogfight each other again soon, and then we'll keep a better track of things in the OOC before posting.

 

[Korvo]

@Galavant @Korvo @Phoenix

This is taking so long that I'm starting to wonder if I didn't accidently click 'cancel' after writing up the report. Haven't had a reply back from my question to admins whether or not the report showed up, so there's that. Eccles is doubting his clicking capabilitites and state of mind.

If we haven't had a ruling on monday, what do you guys want to do? To prevent calling it a mission req for a Jedi Invasion, I'd say let it be a tie, with my character being killed to cover your escape, effecitvely ending the thread. I'm sure that we'll have the chance to dogfight each other again soon, and then we'll keep a better track of things in the OOC before posting.

I'm fine with that (I always try to take every incident as a learning experience), although does your character really have to die? I mean, that seems a tad... permanent.

 

[Necris]

I'm happy with the outcome too

Though the death of you character was left ambiguous his ship could be cripples left dead in space while still alive

 

[Eccles]

I'm fine with that (I always try to take every incident as a learning experience), although does your character really have to die? I mean, that seems a tad... permanent.

I've decided to archive him, so whether or not he dies, he won't see another post written. Death is more fitting than a "disappearance".