An interest check on a faction with a more neutral/equal look on the force

[Smasherfan88]

I've had this idea stuck in my head for a couple of years, you could sum it up by using the question of: "What if there was a third force faction that believed there was a third side of the force, that was in the middle of the dark side and the light side, with its own ideals on the force and different rules" while a similar idea somewhat exists in canon and does exists in legends, being Grey Jedi, I can say my idea is different than the idea of the Grey Jedi, while there may be a few small similarties, it would be mostly different , so now that's cleared up, I guess I should give you more of an idea other than my in quotation mark "question".

The main idea of this potential independent force faction is that there is a third middle ground of the force, and they want to stay as much in the middle as possible, they would be able to use force powers of darkness and light, with some exceptions (an example of a power they wouldn't have would be force lightning for the dark and the lights connection to have wild life help assist you), they view the Jedi and Sith as too much blinded by the light and swallowed by the dark, (in other words they don't agree or like either of the twos beliefs and views,though that belief doesn't mean they would be hostile to the presence of either side unless they are attacked by them), but as being in the middle they're not allowed to want to destroy either as it'd risk being blinded in light or swallowed by darkness; each member is still allowed to use all of their emotions, they try their best to stay away from the politics of the Galaxy to stay in the middle of the sides of the force and their best to stay out of the (from their point of view) pointless wars the Jedi and Sith have in the Galaxy, despite their efforts of course, they would be forced into the affairs of the Galaxy is currently in, if they liked it or not.

If I can get at least five people to be interested in this idea I will of course go more in detail when/if it is able to be sent for approval.(I am also open to advice on how to improve this faction idea if anyone wants to see it be implemented)

 

[Aberforth]

I defer to this thread, so you can see all the difficulties arise with a "grey" Force-users faction and how it really does not fit the site's guidelines.

 

[Smasherfan88]

I've read it, though I'm not saying if one is in the middle they are incorruptible by the dark side, though some posts pointed out, that Ventress tells Quinlin Voss, the Nightsisters had found a way to use the dark side but not fall to the same plaque as the sith, and to quote a message in said thread

"I think you mistook my intentions. I agree with you. There's no concrete proof that the grey exists. It's alluded to — and, with the emphasis it is being given in recent Star Wars material, I have no doubt that it will eventually be proven — but nothing concrete that we can point to in order to say, "There, there's the gray." Which is why I was agreeing with you while explaining that forming a "grey" Jedi organization would be nearly impossible.

Now, if one wanted to create a grey Force religion, in which gray was a belief of said religion, and not a set of powers and abilities, that's an entirely different ballpark."-Malon, RP Administrator, Faction Leader

Specific attention to the sentence I have bolded, it seems that it is saying that it's in the realm of possibilities that I could do this (if I get 5 people) as long as I don't make some new middle/neutral/grey specific force powers and abilities, though as it is in the middle, I think the middle ground of weak light and dark side abilities would be allowed to be used by a gray religion, though I guess I won't enact upon it unless for some reason Malon comes here to clear up what they meant of that sentence I bolded that Malon had posted in that thread. Though I still want to use this idea so I suppose I'll just have to wait (I don't know if I'm allowed to mention a admin or something with @ without getting in trouble, since I don't think I read anything about that in the rules stating if members were allowed to do that or not)

 

[Outlander]

Members are allowed to do that.

@Malon , @Boli

 

[Smasherfan88]

Members are allowed to do that.

@Malon , @Boli

Thanks

 

[Aberforth]

I've read it, though I'm not saying if one is in the middle they are incorruptible by the dark side, though some posts pointed out, that Ventress tells Quinlin Voss, the Nightsisters had found a way to use the dark side but not fall to the same plaque as the sith, and to quote a message in said thread

"I think you mistook my intentions. I agree with you. There's no concrete proof that the grey exists. It's alluded to — and, with the emphasis it is being given in recent Star Wars material, I have no doubt that it will eventually be proven — but nothing concrete that we can point to in order to say, "There, there's the gray." Which is why I was agreeing with you while explaining that forming a "grey" Jedi organization would be nearly impossible.

Now, if one wanted to create a grey Force religion, in which gray was a belief of said religion, and not a set of powers and abilities, that's an entirely different ballpark."-Malon, RP Administrator, Faction Leader

Specific attention to the sentence I have bolded, it seems that it is saying that it's in the realm of possibilities that I could do this (if I get 5 people) as long as I don't make some new middle/neutral/grey specific force powers and abilities, though as it is in the middle, I think the middle ground of weak light and dark side abilities would be allowed to be used by a gray religion, though I guess I won't enact upon it unless for some reason Malon comes here to clear up what they meant of that sentence I bolded that Malon had posted in that thread. Though I still want to use this idea so I suppose I'll just have to wait (I don't know if I'm allowed to mention a admin or something with @ without getting in trouble, since I don't think I read anything about that in the rules stating if members were allowed to do that or not)

There are indications that the "grey" exist in the new canon, but not enough to be the source of a whole new set of Force powers or abilities and you cannot use both light side and dark side powers even if they are just the weaker ones. In canon, Force powers currently comes from one of two source passion and emotions or calmness and tranquility. While, as @Malon (who you don't have to be worried to tag) pointed out, a grey philosophy could exist, there are no proof that followers of that ideology would be able to use both sides of the Force.

Additionally, I don't personally see how people whose powers come from sources that different could just band together to create a faction, especially if, as you pointed out, they would all be susceptible to the corruption of the dark side. It is greatly seductive. As Yoda said: "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." These Force-users would be bound to fall to the dark side eventually.

Your best option would be to go with enlightened Sith or Jedi - having left the Order and refusing to follow the Jedi path - who refrain from using the dark side to avoid getting corrupted which imo wouldn't be distinctive enough from the Jedi faction we already have to warrant its own faction.

 

[Outlander]

To add on to what @Aberforth said, just to get the perspective from someone who takes running and analyzing Indie Factions as a sort of hobby, I can't see a group like you describe gaining a ton of traction for a couple of reasons.

Like I said in the other thread, you'd essentially be filling a niche of a niche, being force users that fall in the middle of the road without going good or bad. You'd basically only get not only force user characters, but only force using characters that don't decide to join the Jedi or Sith, or one of the non-force user exclusive indies around, like the Void Serpents, Shadow Conclave, or the Kjlljk Protectorate. You'd also be directly competing, on the Force User front, with the Paladins of Mortis, who have a more unique concept and better overall draw.

On top of that, you're a very new member, with less than a half dozen posts under your belt. You seem like a good sort, but you haven't built up any connections in the community yet, and running an Indie faction is a hard, time consuming, and stressful job. While you could probably draw the needed members with time and proper advertising, not a lot of people will throw their time and energy in with someone who's unproven.

I think the best thing you could do would be to really look into this idea, find your hook, and write it all up. People won't throw their lot in with a general concept like this, but if you can show that you're competent, dedicated, and have a solid core idea they can work with, you'll have a much easier time of it.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Please see the thread Abe has already linked. We have had extensive discussions on this topic and have a fairly firm consensus that it is a rough way to go. As a brand new member, I would strongly suggest not wandering down this path.

 

[Smasherfan88]

Alright I understand, though i guess I have a question, does one have to be apart of a faction? as in they can be rouge, alligeance is to no one but themselves? (I would like to point out one thing though, the ability force crush, a dark side power that is used to crush organic beings, is somewhat canon thanks to maul and obi-wan using it in the "The Clone Wars" cartoon, except it wasn't used on an organic being, it was used on droids, it's still a dark side power that obi-wan used though and didn't get turned to the dark side, while force crush's non-organic counterpart is canon, it canonically has no name and I don't believe force crush itself is, yet at least, in legends this ability also had no name but was used in the force unleashed in legends if Starkiller grabbed a TIE Fighter)

 

[Outlander]

Alright I understand, though i guess I have a question, does one have to be apart of a faction? as in they can be rouge, alligeance is to no one but themselves? (I would like to point out one thing though, the ability force crush, a dark side power that is used to crush organic beings, is somewhat canon thanks to maul and obi-wan using it in the "The Clone Wars" cartoon, except it wasn't used on an organic being, it was used on droids, it's still a dark side power that obi-wan used though and didn't get turned to the dark side, while force crush's non-organic counterpart is canon, it canonically has no name and I don't believe force crush itself is, yet at least, in legends this ability also had no name but was used in the force unleashed in legends if Starkiller grabbed a TIE Fighter)

You don't have to join a faction.

Using the force to crush something isn't inherently a manifestation of the Dark Side.

 

[Smasherfan88]

Thanks, (We probably shouldn't go into this subject in the factions forums, but force crush was indeed an an ability of the dark side in legends, but only worked on organic beings (that's where the dark part comes in for that, since your crushing their internal organs), it had a little less dark version which doesn't have a name (the one Obi-wan used once) that crushes non-organic things, the Jedi order saw it as a dark side ability due to the want to crush something and put dents in it,etc. is usually from anger, in which most of us humans that do tend to get a bit over angry usually break something non organic)

 

[Outlander]

Thanks, (We probably shouldn't go into this subject in the factions forums, but force crush was indeed an an ability of the dark side in legends, but only worked on organic beings (that's where the dark part comes in for that, since your crushing their internal organs), it had a little less dark version which doesn't have a name (the one Obi-wan used once) that crushes non-organic things, the Jedi order saw it as a dark side ability due to the want to crush something and put dents in it,etc. is usually from anger, in which most of us humans that do tend to get a bit over angry usually break something non organic)

We don't use the Legends canon here. We use the Disney Canon, which uses a different interpretation of the force.

 

[Smasherfan88]

We don't use the Legends canon here. We use the Disney Canon, which uses a different interpretation of the force.

I was using it as a comparison, as force crush's not as dark version is canon, the exact scene was from the zygerrian slave arc of the clone wars t.v. Show, where Obi-wan lifted two droids in the air and crushed them, that ability as I've stated before wasn't named in the episode it appeared in maul also uses this ability against some security droids in the series as well, the Jedi council saw that this unnamed force ability as apart of the dark side as the sith openly practiced it, what I've been trying to say, it's possible for light side users to dark side abilities and not fall down to the darkness, now, time to go make a character bio!

 

[Outlander]

what I've been trying to say, it's possible for light side users to dark side abilities and not fall down to the darkness,

Please read the Guide to the Force thread. On this site, any Dark side abilities used begin corrupting the user.

 

[Andrewza]

I was using it as a comparison, as force crush's not as dark version is canon, the exact scene was from the zygerrian slave arc of the clone wars t.v. Show, where Obi-wan lifted two droids in the air and crushed them, that ability as I've stated before wasn't named in the episode it appeared in maul also uses this ability against some security droids in the series as well, the Jedi council saw that this unnamed force ability as apart of the dark side as the sith openly practiced it, what I've been trying to say, it's possible for light side users to dark side abilities and not fall down to the darkness, now, time to go make a character bio!

Force crushing a droid is not dark side. Or any side it useing the force. The sight has tried to get away from naming force powers and to use broad blocks like telkenness, mental manpulastion extra. The only broad bracket that is dark side is sith magic.


In side these brakes there are dark side powers like force lighting and light side powers like force heal. (not sith can heal with sith magic)



Any case the current jefi order is more grey jedi than you think. They excuted and burned prisoners with out attempt to reform. So i am waiting for some one to creat the Jedi monk facstion.

 

[Smasherfan88]

Force crushing a droid is not dark side. Or any side it useing the force. The sight has tried to get away from naming force powers and to use broad blocks like telkenness, mental manpulastion extra. The only broad bracket that is dark side is sith magic.


In side these brakes there are dark side powers like force lighting and light side powers like force heal. (not sith can heal with sith magic)



Any case the current jefi order is more grey jedi than you think. They excuted and burned prisoners with out attempt to reform. So i am waiting for some one to creat the Jedi monk facstion.

Okay. (If anything those Jedi sound more like Dark Jedi to me, but I'm pretty sure Dark Jedi aren't canon anymore(unless you count pong krell, barris and maybe the grand inquisitor),but hey if fan theories are true, then Luke is saying why the Jedi must end is because he found out the Jedi did some horrible deeds in the past)

 

[Valen Pelora]

I just want to clear up something that @Andrewza has said.

The Jedi at the start of the TL did conduct those actives. We are very far away from that. The Jedi faction is the Jedi Order. There are room for many types of Jedi in the Order. There are military members, healers, diplomats, scholars, teachers, and politicians. The Jedi Order has many different types of Jedi. There will not be an "offshoot" or split faction.

(@Smasherfan88)

 

[Andrewza]

The order was very burnie at the start of the TL. I mean lost of crispy siths

 

[Valen Pelora]

The order was very burnie at the start of the TL. I mean lost of crispy siths

Right, the Jedi Army was but they aren't anymore.

 

[Wit]

The order was very burnie at the start of the TL. I mean lost of crispy siths

And if you had paid attention you would have noticed that since there a lot has changed. There have been a great many mentions of the fact that the Jedi were taking an exceedingly extreme path under the leadership of the first lord and subsequent leaders changed that to bring that back on a more correct path. In the future if you're not sure about something it might be better to tag one of the FLs/AFLs from that faction and let them clear things up instead of risking giving false information.