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If you want to rob stuff, do it in an ASK thread. PvP/OPEN is for player vs player. It's right there in the prefix. You don't want to get shot at, stay out of PvPs will usually help prevent that.
Shields are by default brought down when a ship is landed. They can be defending against one of two different types of damage. Energy or physical damage. If you have shields up they would probably overload very quickly and cause damage to your ship's circuits. If you specifically have the particle shields up to defend against a physical attack like a missile then those two people you have going in and out of your ship to load items would either get stopped by the shields or die.
Also, if you yourself are not on the ship as you clearly state I would say that you also could not use your crew for the purposes of PvP combat since that is an attempt to use NPCs in advantage of the PvP. The only time they are allowed to be used within reason is when your whole troupe is on the ship to have all stationed manned simultaniously. Chances are you won't be allowed to use them on your ship unless you hurry and get back on board your ship but seeing as how your cockpit is likely messed up there's not much point in that.
addition: still putting everything in here despite the notable discussion on discord so it's on record.
Shields are by default brought down when a ship is landed. They can be defending against one of two different types of damage. Energy or physical damage. If you have shields up they would probably overload very quickly and cause damage to your ship's circuits. If you specifically have the particle shields up to defend against a physical attack like a missile then those two people you have going in and out of your ship to load items would either get stopped by the shields or die.
Also, if you yourself are not on the ship as you clearly state I would say that you also could not use your crew for the purposes of PvP combat since that is an attempt to use NPCs in advantage of the PvP. The only time they are allowed to be used within reason is when your whole troupe is on the ship to have all stationed manned simultaniously. Chances are you won't be allowed to use them on your ship unless you hurry and get back on board your ship but seeing as how your cockpit is likely messed up there's not much point in that.
addition: still putting everything in here despite the notable discussion on discord so it's on record.
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I have no issue with getting shot at, otherwise, I would not enter the thread if I was.
I asked as it went against what I knew, and don't want to get things wrong.
Also frag v armour, as you can't shoot the inside of cockpit it will be fine.
Unless you can show me different.
Also know npcs, can't fire on you.
I asked as it went against what I knew, and don't want to get things wrong.
Also frag v armour, as you can't shoot the inside of cockpit it will be fine.
Unless you can show me different.
Also know npcs, can't fire on you.
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I just don't know why you would put that snippet in your first post about not engaging then. Are you saying you are going to just let yourself get attacked?
A rocket is an explosive, an area of affect weapon and if hit directly with a rocket the blast would not only affect the outer shell of a ship. There would be internal damage, shrapnel, blast, etc. I want you to understand that so you don't think you can just say it "splashes" off like rain water.
A rocket is an explosive, an area of affect weapon and if hit directly with a rocket the blast would not only affect the outer shell of a ship. There would be internal damage, shrapnel, blast, etc. I want you to understand that so you don't think you can just say it "splashes" off like rain water.
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I added as an option for you, and for ooc understanding.
I am after threads were I can rob things from, as I am pirate, and want to do a reactive plot thread.
This would be the second, first is nearly done, and I will need one more after I robbed some other stuff.
As for my reaction, you can decide when I post.
I am after threads were I can rob things from, as I am pirate, and want to do a reactive plot thread.
This would be the second, first is nearly done, and I will need one more after I robbed some other stuff.
As for my reaction, you can decide when I post.
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@Darasuum I think got damage right, going off this
https://www.reddit.com/r/swrpg/comments/4rnovq/starship_design_hull_thickness/
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Function 4: Wrist Rocket ( earned here | Right arm)
Wrist rockets have a flight range of 20 meters, have a blast radius of 5 meters, and do damage equivalent to a fragmentation grenade. They are single-shot devices and require manual reloading after use. They are effective against lightly armored vehicles, moving parts such as gears or hydraulics, and infantry. The must be manually fired by button or trigger.
https://www.reddit.com/r/swrpg/comments/4rnovq/starship_design_hull_thickness/
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Function 4: Wrist Rocket ( earned here | Right arm)
Wrist rockets have a flight range of 20 meters, have a blast radius of 5 meters, and do damage equivalent to a fragmentation grenade. They are single-shot devices and require manual reloading after use. They are effective against lightly armored vehicles, moving parts such as gears or hydraulics, and infantry. The must be manually fired by button or trigger.
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It would certainly cause more damage than what you are saying from my understanding. It's not tank rated hull platting and with it striking the window it would probably penetrate and explode inside. Even if it struck the external plating, the damage you are making it seem like would be perhaps the outer meter of the blast directed away from the primary point of damage. Towards the center is a greater amount of damage. It's a high damage explosive device and while a frag grenade, or in this case a wrist rocket, is not great at taking on dedicated armor like a tank, the cockpit is a relatively delicate part of the ship. If it were just another part of the hull I would agree with how you have stated the damage was received but I don't think the transparisteel of the cockpit would withstand or bugger the penetrating and explosive damage of a rocket.
Also I don't think reddit is a valid source of information.
With that being said I have some general questions. As I understand it you are having only two, average people, moving forty tons worth of munitions. That's not going to be a fast task so keep that in mind. In your two posts you would have essentially picked up probably a couple crates of weapons/munitions. Like a couple hundred kilograms max. Not even 1 ton. Don't think you'll drop in, magically fill the holds of your ship with 40 tons worth of cargo and then bug out in just 2-3 posts.
Are you saying the individual crew member who is in the turret is moving towards the cockpit (after the explosion) to then try and raise the shields? If so, which types of shields are you raising, ray or particle?
In your last post did Flora move into the warehouse?
Also I don't think reddit is a valid source of information.
With that being said I have some general questions. As I understand it you are having only two, average people, moving forty tons worth of munitions. That's not going to be a fast task so keep that in mind. In your two posts you would have essentially picked up probably a couple crates of weapons/munitions. Like a couple hundred kilograms max. Not even 1 ton. Don't think you'll drop in, magically fill the holds of your ship with 40 tons worth of cargo and then bug out in just 2-3 posts.
Are you saying the individual crew member who is in the turret is moving towards the cockpit (after the explosion) to then try and raise the shields? If so, which types of shields are you raising, ray or particle?
In your last post did Flora move into the warehouse?
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@Darasuum from what I have read, I think I got it right on the damage.
As Transparisteel, which is blaster proof.
Your weapon is designed, to damage soft targets. A Blaster shot does penetrate armour, as it is focused.
Though if you can link me to something, that says otherwise, I will happily edit.
Though I can only go off what I did in research yesterday, so links I will happily look at, as this is to me as much about learning.
The general questions, yeah it going to take roughly 20 minutes for my two npcs to load everything. Though combat would slow them down a lot, as you will probably just shoot them. As they are npcs and this is PvP, they will fall dead.
Yes, one individual is, so you could stop him and kill them, they are npcs, and thus capable of hurting you.
Yes, last turn me and two npcs entered the warehouse and started loading, it can't finish, while the combat is going on.
Also icly, my character is willing to talk, though as said I am here to rob, as part of a tech thread.
To be subbed once I robbed three things
Here is thread one
This if I do rob is thread two
then I just need one more money thread, for thread number 3
@Wit if you have anything to add, feel free.
As Transparisteel, which is blaster proof.
Your weapon is designed, to damage soft targets. A Blaster shot does penetrate armour, as it is focused.
Though if you can link me to something, that says otherwise, I will happily edit.
Though I can only go off what I did in research yesterday, so links I will happily look at, as this is to me as much about learning.
The general questions, yeah it going to take roughly 20 minutes for my two npcs to load everything. Though combat would slow them down a lot, as you will probably just shoot them. As they are npcs and this is PvP, they will fall dead.
Yes, one individual is, so you could stop him and kill them, they are npcs, and thus capable of hurting you.
Yes, last turn me and two npcs entered the warehouse and started loading, it can't finish, while the combat is going on.
Also icly, my character is willing to talk, though as said I am here to rob, as part of a tech thread.
To be subbed once I robbed three things
Here is thread one
This if I do rob is thread two
then I just need one more money thread, for thread number 3
@Wit if you have anything to add, feel free.
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Body armor is “blaster proof”...to a degree. It’s not invulnerable to damage. It’s not only going to damage organic tissue. I can scour numerous pvp posts with all the wrist rockets ever used if you want and show you a thread where an air speeder is completely exploded. People wear durasteel plates as body armor on this site but that does not make them immune to the rules of appropriate damage. While in terms of explosive a wrist rocket is not great at penetrating armor transparisteel is not what i would classify as armor. It’s basically reinforced glass in the star wars universe. In short, "space glass is not strong enough to withstand a direct explosive device like a frag grenade, wrist rocket or anything on the same level."
What you choose to do with your NPCs is up to you. I read it as your NPCs stopped loading and got into the ship but if two are in the warehouse with you that's fine. But with the cockpit taking damage like it should it would make the reason about your npc moving there pointless. I also think you didn't answer my question about what type of shields you have raised. I imagine he would just stay in the turret.
I posted my character's reason for being there against the NPCs in the first place. Your character's machinations are your business. If my character doesn't stop to talk then you can take it as a cue that what your character has said and done is not going to do the trick. If you post OOC what your character's intentions are that's nice to know OOC but that's all it is, OOC. I will act true to my IC mindset regardless of OOC information.
What you choose to do with your NPCs is up to you. I read it as your NPCs stopped loading and got into the ship but if two are in the warehouse with you that's fine. But with the cockpit taking damage like it should it would make the reason about your npc moving there pointless. I also think you didn't answer my question about what type of shields you have raised. I imagine he would just stay in the turret.
I posted my character's reason for being there against the NPCs in the first place. Your character's machinations are your business. If my character doesn't stop to talk then you can take it as a cue that what your character has said and done is not going to do the trick. If you post OOC what your character's intentions are that's nice to know OOC but that's all it is, OOC. I will act true to my IC mindset regardless of OOC information.
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I am listing this for my benefit, not to be argumentive. Also to avoid ooc confusion.
1a: Can you link me to a thread where a ship was hit by the wrist rocket, as I only managed to find off-site information.
1b: Rational was based on that, is space debris, would hit a lot harder than your rocket. This is due to the sheer speed it would be traveling, though shields would help a lot with that.
1c: So with a link, I will edit, or judgment, as I can't see why it would penetrate.
1d: That said, possibly a small hole at the point of impact, though that would just make it no longer spaceworthy. Just so we can move on.
1e: I have asked on tech forum, just see if anything comes up.
2a: Two are in the ship, guarding purposes, due to the law.
2b: Two are helping me rob the place in the warehouse, as that is my ic purpose
2c: The main thing they are doing, is getting the ramp up, as that stops you from storming the freighter. Also, the getting off the ground is because pirates are cowards, so they will cut and run out on me if need be. They ain't going to die for me when they can abandon me if I am more trouble than they can handle.
3a: I do get that, ic and ooc are two different things.
3b: The link was to show you my ic reason for being here, it is just a robbery.
3c: So icly yeah I will try and talk it out, as shoot out does not benefit me icly, as you don't appear to be the law.
3d: The link was to show you my actual rational, and not to affect the ic.
I am listing this for my benefit, not to be argumentive. Also to avoid ooc confusion.
1a: Can you link me to a thread where a ship was hit by the wrist rocket, as I only managed to find off-site information.
1b: Rational was based on that, is space debris, would hit a lot harder than your rocket. This is due to the sheer speed it would be traveling, though shields would help a lot with that.
1c: So with a link, I will edit, or judgment, as I can't see why it would penetrate.
1d: That said, possibly a small hole at the point of impact, though that would just make it no longer spaceworthy. Just so we can move on.
1e: I have asked on tech forum, just see if anything comes up.
2a: Two are in the ship, guarding purposes, due to the law.
2b: Two are helping me rob the place in the warehouse, as that is my ic purpose
2c: The main thing they are doing, is getting the ramp up, as that stops you from storming the freighter. Also, the getting off the ground is because pirates are cowards, so they will cut and run out on me if need be. They ain't going to die for me when they can abandon me if I am more trouble than they can handle.
3a: I do get that, ic and ooc are two different things.
3b: The link was to show you my ic reason for being here, it is just a robbery.
3c: So icly yeah I will try and talk it out, as shoot out does not benefit me icly, as you don't appear to be the law.
3d: The link was to show you my actual rational, and not to affect the ic.
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Anything that would be considered glass in swrp has been referred to as transparesteel. Bullet proof glass today if struck by a rocket would shatter. I found this thread that had the occupants of a cab get blown up utterly (associated OOC with 8 pages of info with a lot of salt).
Also the canon page says that it is designed to be blaster proof. I'm not sure if that is 100% accurate since if a heavy blaster cannon shot it, it would probably break but they mean something along the lines of an average everyday small arms blaster. Take that with a grain of salt. A wrist rocket is far more damaging than a single medium blaster bolt. Not everything has to be precedent either. This might be the first thread this TL where a wrist rocket is used in this manner and just because it has not been used exactly in this way also does not mean it can't work.
Also the canon page says that it is designed to be blaster proof. I'm not sure if that is 100% accurate since if a heavy blaster cannon shot it, it would probably break but they mean something along the lines of an average everyday small arms blaster. Take that with a grain of salt. A wrist rocket is far more damaging than a single medium blaster bolt. Not everything has to be precedent either. This might be the first thread this TL where a wrist rocket is used in this manner and just because it has not been used exactly in this way also does not mean it can't work.
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@Darasuum there is a major difference in two things.
That was a Taxi, and this is a space worthy freighter.
The transparisteel thickness would be different, so it has less of an effect.
I do not consider it salt at all if you report it, as you said this is not been done before.
So the discussion would be circular, and not get anywhere.
Though we can wait if you wish for an answer on discord, as I have put it there, as I am trying to be fair.
Also wtf in that other ooc, I had to stop reading it.
That was a Taxi, and this is a space worthy freighter.
The transparisteel thickness would be different, so it has less of an effect.
I do not consider it salt at all if you report it, as you said this is not been done before.
So the discussion would be circular, and not get anywhere.
Though we can wait if you wish for an answer on discord, as I have put it there, as I am trying to be fair.
Also wtf in that other ooc, I had to stop reading it.
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Transparisteel is transparisteel. Saying Titanium on a go kart is less strong than titanium on a space ship doesn't make sense. They are the same material and have the same properties. The only time I would say different is because of site rules and limitations for body armor.
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@Darasuum they have the same strength, but the thickness would be different.
This is from Google for the space shuttle
The windows are made using the thickest ever pieces of optical quality glass. Each window consists of three individual panes: the innermost pane is 15.9 mm (0.625 in) thick tempered aluminosilicate glass whereas the centre and outer panes are 33 mm (1.3 in) and 15.9 mm fused silica glass.
Space Shuttles - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
The OptiGauge helps with the process by obtaining highly accurate glass thickness measurements to ensure glass is to manufacturer's specifications. For years windshields have been comprised of two pieces of glass approximately 2mm thick with an approximately 1mm layer of vinyl sandwiched in-between.30 Dec 2015
Glass thickness measurements: Measuring Windshields | Lumetrics
https://www.lumetrics.com/glass-thickness.../windshield-glass-thickness-measurements/
This is the difference, not the material.
Space Shuttle is roughly 64.8mm thick, not including the gap.
A car is 3mm thick
So the shuttle due to thickness is just over 20 times stronger.
This is from Google for the space shuttle
The windows are made using the thickest ever pieces of optical quality glass. Each window consists of three individual panes: the innermost pane is 15.9 mm (0.625 in) thick tempered aluminosilicate glass whereas the centre and outer panes are 33 mm (1.3 in) and 15.9 mm fused silica glass.
Space Shuttles - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
The OptiGauge helps with the process by obtaining highly accurate glass thickness measurements to ensure glass is to manufacturer's specifications. For years windshields have been comprised of two pieces of glass approximately 2mm thick with an approximately 1mm layer of vinyl sandwiched in-between.30 Dec 2015
Glass thickness measurements: Measuring Windshields | Lumetrics
https://www.lumetrics.com/glass-thickness.../windshield-glass-thickness-measurements/
This is the difference, not the material.
Space Shuttle is roughly 64.8mm thick, not including the gap.
A car is 3mm thick
So the shuttle due to thickness is just over 20 times stronger.
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That's all very nice and true but as we've seen on this site, real life science is not always applicable in this universe. To combat this I could go in depth on just how damaging the explosive power of a real life fragmentation grenade or rocket is to those items but that would only a "how does a real life space ship handle against a real life rocket" and this is clearly not real life. We have specific tech rules so that we aren't measuring millimeters, joules, etc. Otherwise people will be saying "My armor is 10 mm thick" and another will say "well mine is 11 mm thick" and just do nothing but trying to one up one another by crunching those numbers.
Also that all looks like a bit moot at this point since I see Loco replied to the amount of damage blasters do to Poe's starfigher in TFA as a point. video link here. It looks like it suffers enough damage so that even the internal components are damaged to the point that Poe has to abandon his starfighter. It think its reasonable for the same thing to happen to your ship's cockpit. Maybe not to the point it can't be repaired in the long run but I would say for the sake of this thread it is not usable from a cockpit area standpoint.
Also that all looks like a bit moot at this point since I see Loco replied to the amount of damage blasters do to Poe's starfigher in TFA as a point. video link here. It looks like it suffers enough damage so that even the internal components are damaged to the point that Poe has to abandon his starfighter. It think its reasonable for the same thing to happen to your ship's cockpit. Maybe not to the point it can't be repaired in the long run but I would say for the sake of this thread it is not usable from a cockpit area standpoint.
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It doesn't look like it was edited. It doesn't have an edit stamp on it and also looks to still say the same thing.