Battle of Seoul V OOC

[Dmitri]

Please refrain from posting in Final Acts until the admins can make their ruling.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

Zach describes that he is concealing his own presence in the Force. There is nothing about the ships themselves being detected. Communications are scrambled, sensors are not. I know there's no point in arguing, since we're already crying admin ruling, but there is no reason that an invading fleet would be undetectable.

 

[Bianca]

Yeah, I'm wondering what's supposedly wrong too.

 

[Wendy]

I think what is wrong is Allu'rah got past the jamming and has a way to call in allies. Thus ending the siths "we're here to wipe you out." thing.

 

[Zach]

Calm down Weiss, I'm sure we can resolve this on our own.

I only blocked out communications and Force/life presences, but that's not what I had an issue with.

Just ahead of the fleet was a series of beacons in a satellite. Once it arrived, it would block all sources of communication and outward calls from the planet, or anywhere in the system, aside from a specific frequency. This was predetermined in Dorann's fleet, and thus would not effect his own forces.

But still, if we had attacked, no one would be able to call it out. Communications are jammed, so only people doing the scans are aware of it.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

So what is the issue then? I took the blocked communications into account. Kiada was unable to contact the base and cannot tell the Knight Commander that HOMEFRONT is under attack.. She is aware that they are under attack, and is traveling to fetch reinforcements, not sending a transmission.

 

[Dmitri]

Syn's security state the only ships allowed to Homefront are shuttles from Blackheart. Syn also states that only the Knight-Commander knows of Homefront's whereabouts except with few people she tells ICly. The only form of communications is in Knight-Commander's office; fighters may be able to communicate amongst themselves (which by the way your communications would have been jamned too). Thus, it's unlikely the fighters' communications capabilities can reach the office that's deep underground on an irradiated planet; which brings me up to another point: You're trying to communicate with an underground base hundreds of feet underground on an irradiated planet which bad reception would be obvious the first conclusion you have is 'OMG, it's da Sith. They must be invading our planet that is suppose to be top secret.' Rules also state that all communications except those coming from the Knight Commander's office are forbidden.

Fighters would unlikely to be out in orbit anyways. Homefront's writeup states there's room for fighters to fly around and they mention sims, which would indicate that if there isn't room, like you're using for justification, would be done in simulators. Flying in orbit with ships that have hyperspace capabilities would be a serious breach of all the security Syn has in place. First, flying in orbit with navicomputers would allow you to know where you are: Seoul V. This breaches the policy that no one except those granted by the Knight-Commander may know where Homefront is; there's no evidence that ICly you've been told about Homefront's location to you and your team which would allow you to go on a stroll, which is unlikely. Secondly, unless you're claiming the Knight Commander is idiotic, it's impossible fighters with hyperspace capabilities would be allowed outside Homefront, let alone when all you're doing is an exercise and not planning to go elsewhere.

As for shuttles, only those from Blackheart are allowed, as the writeup indicates. You would be knocked out/drugged, and be piloted by droids. You also did not receive Kerne Moxla's permission before leaving.

Also, Allu'rah and Evil Giraffe, travel to Mephout will take longer than a post or two. If Allu'rah's team were to be allowed to carry on like they're attempting to, it would be multiple rounds before you'd reach Mephout, let alone receive help and come back. This is not Ando Prime. Reinforcements had been allowed as a ship managed to flee as the enemy fleet arrived and were in the heart of Hutt territory; ICly, though, several hours passed before help arrived, not minutes.

Also, before anyone gets any ideas that there's tons of GA and Mando ships nearby, do realize that Mephout is the only planet within two sectors. Neither Mephout nor Seoul V are in a priority rating in the GA's new security measures. There would not be many ships, if any, that could come to your rescue. The Mandalorians and Commonwealth are stationed too far away to do anything. It will take a long time ICly, hours if not days, before GA fleet or Mando fleet could arrive. No writeup exists of a secret fleet stashed away nearby, so you can't magically summon one.

EDIT:

Both Johnny and DeathToll said the Mandos and GA, respectively, will not be involved in this.

 

[Wendy]

Ah wasn't it ruled that the secret base isn't secret. That the entire faction gets to know about it? So it now makes more sense that she would be out there. A sim only goes so far for training and she is a higher up one of the top echelon who would be allowed to know. So again what other reason is there that a higher up wouldn't be able to take a squadron of ships out for proper test flight? Beyond the obvious one we are all thinking.

 

[Dmitri]

Boli's ruling was that Seoul V was public knowledge, but not Homefront. Thus, Homefront is not public knowledge, and as such security measures are still in play.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

My god, are you going to pitch a fit every time it looks like we might upset your perfect little plan for our total annihilation? Because that's what role-playing with people is all about, Weiss. You cannot control everything. You cannot have everything go your own way. No one on our side is going to behave as you want us to. We're not rolling over to die. We're fighting, so we're going to punch every hole in your plan that we're able to.



1) HOMEFRONT'S "secret" location: Was it not also ruled that it is impossible for the Knight Commander to be the only person with IC knowledge of HOMEFRONT? I don't know, maybe being head of military operations of the Imperial Knights, and therefor having direct command over any and all fleet-related activities somehow excludes me from that knowledge in a way that makes sense. Kiada would have access to the location of any and all ships and shuttles under the command of the Imperial Knights (including Blackheart and its operations), because that's what she's in charge of! If whoever gave you the intel knew that there was a massive Imperial Knight hideout somewhere on Seoul V, then surely the Field Marshal would also know that there's a base there somewhere. And since she's operating out of a great big Imperial Knight hideout, I think it's pretty clear that Kiada knows she's on Seoul V.

I am NOT going to buy that YOU know there's a base here on Seoul V, and I don't.

2) Being able to communicate: it says all communication is forbidden. There is only one terminal in HOMEFRONT, and the Knight Commander is the only one authorized to use it. There is nothing mentioned of ship-board communications. Also, ever notice how people can communicate across the galaxy? No one would have said a thing if the Knight Commander was trying to get in contact with someone stationed on Coruscant, or if she was trying to contact Blackheart (barring the fact that we currently have our communications jammed). You know why there are such strong security measures for communication in HOMEFRONT? Because it's possible. If no communications were able to get in or out of the base, we wouldn't bother.

I also wrote my post such that it's questionable as to whether Kiada could have communicated with her other ships or not, so that point is invalid. You say she couldn't have? Fine, she didn't.


3) Knowing it's an attack: First reaction to bad reception was not "OMG IT'S DA SITH". She tried communicating multiple times. It was the huge energy signatures setting off her ship's sensors from the fleet warping into the system that tipped her off.

4) Vehicles: And you're right! HOMEFRONT does have a vehicle level! You know what we've got there? Vehicles. You know what vehicles Kiada's got? 30 TIE fighters in various models that she was approved to defect with MONTHS ago, as well as the pilots to fly them. And that's just the portion she contributed! The Knights have more than just 30 TIE fighters. And guess what? The vehicle level is all we've got for vehicle combat sims. You know how fast the average make of TIE fighter could fly 1000 years ago? 1200km/h (thanks wookieepedia). That's 1090 feet a second. Yes, we do some drills in there, but you cannot do an adequate combat sim in a tiny cave with a ship that is designed to take advantage being able to outrun and out-maneuver opponents.

So why should starfighters be in orbit? I don't know. Aside from the above, it seems logical that a spaceship pilot would teach people how to pilot their spaceships IN SPACE.

5) Kerne Moxla: Firstly, I'll admit I was unaware that Kerne Moxla was the head of HOMEFRONT security. I can edit my post so that I also report to him/her. It should, however, be noted that Kiada outranks Moxla, and while she did not report to the head of security, she instead reported to the head of the faction, so this is a very weak argument.

6) Travel time and the assault: I did not actually write in MY post that I jumped. I wrote that I was preparing to jump, giving you a small, slight opportunity to attempt intervening. That I was sucked into the next post is not something that can be blamed on me. I am also fully aware that travel would take longer than a few minutes. Did you see either of us attempting to get back to Seoul V before the assault even began? To be fair, it will probably take hours to begin anyway, since you don't know HOMEFRONT's exact location and will need hours to search it out, and it will take more than a few hours to dig there anyway.

Not to mention, if your best lead is the old abandoned Imperial base, because it seems most logical and needs the least work to establish, and that there's a colony SOMEWHERE, why the heck did you guys bring a giant bloody drill? What intel do you have that suggests the Knights' hideout is below the surface and you'll need plasma drills? I know that this is unlikely to change, since the entire battle is null and void if you cannot ever ever reach us, but keep in mind that finding the Knights will not be a one or two round ordeal either.



To me, this all seems like a tantrum because you're afraid of fighting a battle where you don't have every single advantage.

 

[Sreeya]

Sith do not know Homefront's exact location. They simply know Seoul V is an IK planet and that the base is underground from Lamia's intel. That's why they're prepared for an underground base, though they do not completely know where it is yet.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

Sith do not know Homefront's exact location. They simply know Seoul V is an IK planet and that the base is underground from Lamia's intel. That's why they're prepared for an underground base, though they do not completely know where it is yet.

If Lamia's intel said the base was underground, fine. No sense fighting on what has already been ruled as valid. And like I said, the drill is sort of necessary for the thread to progress. The last was more as an aside anyway. But I am expecting at least a generous amount of time pinpointing HOMEFRONT's location, or having a handful of bad digs before they strike gold. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Mr. Teatime]

I read everything. And, to be perfectly honest, the only see two real issues. The first is, when comms are jammed, comms are jammed. If you have a global jam, that means everything except selected frequencies are cut off by static. Doesn't matter how short or long the waves are. What you would have had to use to communicate is a direct line beam communication using infrared beams instead of radio or microwaves. The only way to intercept this is to be between the two communicators. However it is usually really short range. Mostly a rewording and a technicality.

Besides that, if I doubt a fighter is equipped with a long-range non-visual sensor suite. If they're on the other side of the planet, I don't think a fighter could detect it, energy signature or not. Planet-wide sensors are a different matter entirely since their size isn't limited as much as a Tie Defender.

Uh.. nothing else. What are we arguing for again?

 

[Dmitri]

Bickering between ourselves will not solve anything, at least how this appears to be heading. I will defend myself here, but will then not go on until the admins have made a ruling unless requested by an admin to add more.

My god, are you going to pitch a fit every time it looks like we might upset your perfect little plan for our total annihilation? Because that's what role-playing with people is all about, Weiss. You cannot control everything. You cannot have everything go your own way. No one on our side is going to behave as you want us to. We're not rolling over to die. We're fighting, so we're going to punch every hole in your plan that we're able to.



1) HOMEFRONT'S "secret" location: Was it not also ruled that it is impossible for the Knight Commander to be the only person with IC knowledge of HOMEFRONT? I don't know, maybe being head of military operations of the Imperial Knights, and therefor having direct command over any and all fleet-related activities somehow excludes me from that knowledge in a way that makes sense. Kiada would have access to the location of any and all ships and shuttles under the command of the Imperial Knights (including Blackheart and its operations), because that's what she's in charge of! If whoever gave you the intel knew that there was a massive Imperial Knight hideout somewhere on Seoul V, then surely the Field Marshal would also know that there's a base there somewhere. And since she's operating out of a great big Imperial Knight hideout, I think it's pretty clear that Kiada knows she's on Seoul V.

I am NOT going to buy that YOU know there's a base here on Seoul V, and I don't.

2) Being able to communicate: it says all communication is forbidden. There is only one terminal in HOMEFRONT, and the Knight Commander is the only one authorized to use it. There is nothing mentioned of ship-board communications. Also, ever notice how people can communicate across the galaxy? No one would have said a thing if the Knight Commander was trying to get in contact with someone stationed on Coruscant, or if she was trying to contact Blackheart (barring the fact that we currently have our communications jammed). You know why there are such strong security measures for communication in HOMEFRONT? Because it's possible. If no communications were able to get in or out of the base, we wouldn't bother.

I also wrote my post such that it's questionable as to whether Kiada could have communicated with her other ships or not, so that point is invalid. You say she couldn't have? Fine, she didn't.


3) Knowing it's an attack: First reaction to bad reception was not "OMG IT'S DA SITH". She tried communicating multiple times. It was the huge energy signatures setting off her ship's sensors from the fleet warping into the system that tipped her off.

4) Vehicles: And you're right! HOMEFRONT does have a vehicle level! You know what we've got there? Vehicles. You know what vehicles Kiada's got? 30 TIE fighters in various models that she was approved to defect with MONTHS ago, as well as the pilots to fly them. And that's just the portion she contributed! The Knights have more than just 30 TIE fighters. And guess what? The vehicle level is all we've got for vehicle combat sims. You know how fast the average make of TIE fighter could fly 1000 years ago? 1200km/h (thanks wookieepedia). That's 1090 feet a second. Yes, we do some drills in there, but you cannot do an adequate combat sim in a tiny cave with a ship that is designed to take advantage being able to outrun and out-maneuver opponents.

So why should starfighters be in orbit? I don't know. Aside from the above, it seems logical that a spaceship pilot would teach people how to pilot their spaceships IN SPACE.

5) Kerne Moxla: Firstly, I'll admit I was unaware that Kerne Moxla was the head of HOMEFRONT security. I can edit my post so that I also report to him/her. It should, however, be noted that Kiada outranks Moxla, and while she did not report to the head of security, she instead reported to the head of the faction, so this is a very weak argument.

6) Travel time and the assault: I did not actually write in MY post that I jumped. I wrote that I was preparing to jump, giving you a small, slight opportunity to attempt intervening. That I was sucked into the next post is not something that can be blamed on me. I am also fully aware that travel would take longer than a few minutes. Did you see either of us attempting to get back to Seoul V before the assault even began? To be fair, it will probably take hours to begin anyway, since you don't know HOMEFRONT's exact location and will need hours to search it out, and it will take more than a few hours to dig there anyway.

7) Not to mention, if your best lead is the old abandoned Imperial base, because it seems most logical and needs the least work to establish, and that there's a colony SOMEWHERE, why the heck did you guys bring a giant bloody drill? What intel do you have that suggests the Knights' hideout is below the surface and you'll need plasma drills? I know that this is unlikely to change, since the entire battle is null and void if you cannot ever ever reach us, but keep in mind that finding the Knights will not be a one or two round ordeal either.



To me, this all seems like a tantrum because you're afraid of fighting a battle where you don't have every single advantage.

1) It was ruled that it would be public knowledge the Imperial Knights had sought a base on Seoul V, though as Syn's writeup state, have since been erased. Thus, any knowledge of Seoul V having been an interest by the Imperial Knights would have been common knowledge only, and not on file since Rouge's death. Homefront being on Seoul V is NOT common knowledge. Do the Sith know for a fact HOmefront is on Seoul V? No. Can they deduce/guess Homefront might be on Seoul V? Very likely. Can they realize there's a base on Seoul V? Yes. Does that mean they know it's Homefront? No, just that there's a base there.

2) It also states no communication devices or transponders are allowed at Homefront, so if personal devices aren't allowed, why would they all long-range communications for ships (which I believe are required for a fighter to communicate with a planet it orbits). That's up to the admins to decide if short-range communications would be needed to contact Homefront or not; if short-range is possible, then I apologize. Still, being unable to contact one location to deduce an attack is unlikely. However, that does not mean such reasoning could not be done after trying to communicate with your wingmates, whose communications would be unable to be reached due to the jamning.

3) Zach is masking his ships. Whether or not your ships could get a reading or not, let alone have the capabilities of such radar, is up to the admins to decide.

4) By vehicles, I confess I made the assumption it included ships. If not, I apologize. Still, security would be breached by allowing ships to fly around in orbit who have hyperspace capabilities, let alone allowing pilots to realize what planet they're on.

5) This point was not one of saying nulled your post, but rather pointing out something you forgot to do. Even if you outrank Kerne, your fellow pilots probably don't, so you'll need to add in your post that Kerne let them leave. You also forgot to add in you and your team logging out.

6) The post was not just aimed at Allu'rah. It was also aimed at Evil Giraffe, whom the point about reaching Mephout so quickly was aimed for; it was more towards him than you in this point. I added the further detail as to prevent something from happening later on; a deterrent from doing something not allowed rather than address it after the fact, because as you can witness, whenever I address anything you guys do after the fact, it's not treated very well. Was I in anyway having a tantrum? No. Was I vexed? I confess a little, but not emotional. Did I use sarcasm at some points that may have attributed to the label of having a tantrum? Yes, and I admit it probably didn't help.

7) (I changed your last paragraph into a numeral point) These are some of the things we know.
1. There was a base sought at Seoul V.
2. Somewhere, there's an underground base belonging to the IK whose planet is unknown.
So what do we do? Since information on Seoul V's base is unclear, why NOT bring a drill in case there's an underground base on Seoul V? Due to Raxus Prime and Zeta 0-9 has deterrents (whom drills would have been brought to their parties too), there's a likely chance this top-secret underground Homefront is on Cyrillia or Seoul V. Thus, for a just in case, because just like what the Boy Scout motto says, "be prepared." Do we know if we'll need it? No. Also, remember, the Sith want you eradicated. They're not gonna take chances. They'll have everything they think they might need to succeed. As for why they have such a big fleet? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they're attacking a boarder world and even though it may take days before a GA fleet arrive, they aren't just gonna send a force to be rolfstomped. Let's not forget as well that the Sith do not know how many forces are at Seoul V, so a large taskforce would be the best option to take.

Am I angry if I don't have a total advantage over you? No, it doesn't matter to me. Am I vexed when people are trying to metagame in order to undo a large advantage the Sith gained by working hard and outsmarting the IK? Yes. War is not always far. This is not a pre-determined battle, where both sides agree on equal forces and battle out. This is a surprise attack with the goal of crushing the IK. Does that solely mean they automatically received an advantage? No. Did they earn such advantage through what they did? Yes. Does that mean the IK on Seoul V are automatically rolfstomped? No, if you work hard in your fight. Will you get rolfstomped if you don't stop trying to metagame and instead pool your resources and intellect to make a strategy to outmaneuver the forces that'll be landing on Seoul V? A possible outcome.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

See, at this point I think we're getting beyond bickering and could potentially get somewhere, as long as we're civil with each other. You have brought up some good points.

1) This was not so much meant to be an issue as to whether you guys knew HOMEFRONT was on Seoul V, but whether the Field Marshal knows. In my opinion, it is sensible that she is among the few who do know where HOMEFRONT is.

2) Speaking relatively, communication between an orbiting fighter and a planet it's orbiting is not so long range. But I can see your point. Would it make you happier if I edited my post so that Kiada was trying to issue commands to squadmates instead of contacting the Knight Commander at such a long range? Because I'm willing to do that.

3) As I read it, Zach, I thought you were masking the presence of your ships in the Force and by no other means. I saw nothing that suggested your ships were cloaking their hyperspace wakes, their energy readings, etc. The range of my sensors may have been a little over-extended. I'm willing to move the ships closer together (although still with a respectable amount of distance between them). However, I do agree that this may be a point of contention (particularly what a "reasonable" distance qualifies as) and may need some admin ruling.

4) Not having ships with hyperdrives and navigation is an even bigger breach of security, since there would then be no means of evacuating from the planet in the case of an emergency. Likely also to need admin ruling on this point.

5) I am perfectly willing to clear my activities with security, if you would like me to edit it in there.

6) I think we could just agree that going to Mephout and back is going to take time, so I will need to wait for a few rounds of posting to happen before I jump back in. This should not be too difficult for me as I have a busy few days ahead of me.

7) I see your point. After all, I'm sure there are some people who would be dead before leaving without their giant drill. This isn't really a point that needs to be argued anyway. The drill is there, and its presence is quite reasonable.

 

[Dmitri]

See, at this point I think we're getting beyond bickering and could potentially get somewhere, as long as we're civil with each other. You have brought up some good points.

1) This was not so much meant to be an issue as to whether you guys knew HOMEFRONT was on Seoul V, but whether the Field Marshal knows. In my opinion, it is sensible that she is among the few who do know where HOMEFRONT is.

2) Speaking relatively, communication between an orbiting fighter and a planet it's orbiting is not so long range. But I can see your point. Would it make you happier if I edited my post so that Kiada was trying to issue commands to squadmates instead of contacting the Knight Commander at such a long range? Because I'm willing to do that.

3) As I read it, Zach, I thought you were masking the presence of your ships in the Force and by no other means. I saw nothing that suggested your ships were cloaking their hyperspace wakes, their energy readings, etc. The range of my sensors may have been a little over-extended. I'm willing to move the ships closer together (although still with a respectable amount of distance between them). However, I do agree that this may be a point of contention (particularly what a "reasonable" distance qualifies as) and may need some admin ruling.

4) Not having ships with hyperdrives and navigation is an even bigger breach of security, since there would then be no means of evacuating from the planet in the case of an emergency. Likely also to need admin ruling on this point.

5) I am perfectly willing to clear my activities with security, if you would like me to edit it in there.

6) I think we could just agree that going to Mephout and back is going to take time, so I will need to wait for a few rounds of posting to happen before I jump back in. This should not be too difficult for me as I have a busy few days ahead of me.

7) I see your point. After all, I'm sure there are some people who would be dead before leaving without their giant drill. This isn't really a point that needs to be argued anyway. The drill is there, and its presence is quite reasonable.

I know I said I wouldn't, but I agree that I too overreacted a little too, and thought you were 'having a tantrum too. Now with my reply:

1) This is probably something we'll need an admin on. The writeup states only the Knight-Commander and possible the leader of the GA (which DT says the GA do not know, so the 'possible' is actually 'doesn't', though doesn't conflict with 'possibly,' as possibly doesn't mean for sure one way or another). It sounds like the Margrave would know about it, if it was done under their supervision, so that's another. However, there's no mention if the Field Marshall knows or not, thus an admin will need to decide. However, even if the Field Marshall is allowed, it's unlikely the wingmates are; thus, field marshall has a possibility of being allowed in space, but unlikely the underlings would so if the field marshall is by himself, it may be possible.

On a sidenote, in case the Knight-Commander tries to use the same method of deducing an invasion from being unable to call out, this is less likely to be the case than in the space fighter's case. Interference could easily be explained by poor reception or solar flare, etc. As there's only one console, it's possible there's a problem with the connection or there's a computer glitch somewhere; it may be possible to find out you're being jamned, but investigation will be needed, possibly built on several posts or rounds.

2) I was unsure myself is the actual case, so again an admin may be needed. If figher-to-planet is deemed short range, no problem. If long-range, I may have an alternative: While you can't contact the base, the base probably could contact you. If there was an established time the base was to contact you, then that could arise suspicion, though you'll need to wait a few minutes before growing suspicious as it could also be deduced that the call is late. Due to the points in #1, it's unlikely you'll be able to discover the jamning that way. Thus, to actually deduce communications are down, you'll have to fly down to the planet so you're close enough or get clever.

3) I believe Zach hid the ships' arrival. Still, scanners on a fighter aren't that good to see on the other side of the planet. More than likely, you'll need a visual of the fleet before realizing it, which will alert the fleet to you, though you do have a slim chance of flying away. However, you have two options: warning Homefront so they can prepare or fly away. I'd like to take this time to remind you neither Johnny nor DeathToll will be sending Mandalorian or GA ships to help you, nor can a fleet capable of neutralizing or defeating the Chimperial (too boring to always say Chiss-Imperial) fleet; Commonwealth are too far away to help, not to mention they'd be busy soon with the Blue Shadow outbreak on Cyrillia. Your post would best be spent returning and warning everyone; the only good I can see from you running is sending a ship or two to die or to save your own skin (not an insult, just a personal observation/opinion). However, would you choose to take the warn homefront path, you probably wouldn't be able to warn them in the same post, so basically you'd be able to fly back into Homefront and end your post there, with you warning everyone next round (albeit everyone doesn't learn about the fleet by some other means).

4) I agree Homefront may have some ships stored in their base for an evacuation that have hyperspace capabilities, but it's also a breach of security for the ships in the drill to have HS capabilities. Thus, yes, such ships could possibly be at Homefront (though writeups do not mention them, and would probably result in a ruling against such ships present), but that doesn't mean the ships that are only doing a drill would have HS capabilities.

5) Having to examine the security measures, I had remembered the protocols from my readings and thought I'd mention them. It might be nice to add them into your post, though if an admin says you don't have to, that's fine (though your wingmates, if are allowed, would still need to).

6) True. As I said earlier, it was more towards Evil Giraffe. Still, before you can return, you'd also need to use a round or two to contact whoever you're gonna contact to explain the situation to persuade them to come with you back to Seoul V. Thus, most likely, mathematically, the earliest you can come back with help is in 7-11 rounds (1st round, the now, is you discovering the fleet and thus requires a round for the Imp to have a chance, though small, to stop or neutralize you; 2 round is you actually escaping the Imp forces and flee; 3rd round (1-3 rounds long) of transit to Mephout; 4th round where you arrive at Mephout and speak with whoever you're gonna speak with; 5th round where you receive your answer from the other person and leave Mephout; 6th round (1-3 rounds long) of transit back to Seoul V; 7th round of you arriving back at Seoul V).

7) *Bickerbickerbickerargueinsultwhine* :CFuu ....Jk. No further comments needed. :CHappy One down, six to go.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

Okay, well instead of trying to hammer out negotiations about a bunch of issues at once, let's take it one step at a time and resolve this things one by one. Let's start out with Kiada's knowledge.

When Bac gave his ruling about the validity of this battle, he gave a bunch of points disproving the claim that the Knight Commander is the only person who knows that HOMEFRONT is the base on Seoul V, as well as its exact location. Since we're accepting that this battle is valid, we need to take it with a grain of salt and also accept that HOMEFRONT's presence on Seoul V is not as secret as the write-up says. By extension, I think it is reasonable that the head of the Imperial Guardsmen and (by the roster) the person who is third in command of this faction as a whole, is among the group who knows that HOMEFRONT is on Seoul V.

 

[Dmitri]

Okay, well instead of trying to hammer out negotiations about a bunch of issues at once, let's take it one step at a time and resolve this things one by one. Let's start out with Kiada's knowledge.

When Bac gave his ruling about the validity of this battle, he gave a bunch of points disproving the claim that the Knight Commander is the only person who knows that HOMEFRONT is the base on Seoul V, as well as its exact location. Since we're accepting that this battle is valid, we need to take it with a grain of salt and also accept that HOMEFRONT's presence on Seoul V is not as secret as the write-up says. By extension, I think it is reasonable that the head of the Imperial Guardsmen and (by the roster) the person who is third in command of this faction as a whole, is among the group who knows that HOMEFRONT is on Seoul V.

You have a point. It's true the Field Marshall would know about the location, and may be allowed outside in orbit that would allow him to see the planet which would grant possible identification of the planet. However, the Field Marshall's wingmates would be another story. While the Field marshall is likely to be allowed outside, the wingmates probably wouldn't. Thus, you could fly outside by yourself.

 

[Sreeya]

Allu'rah is correct. This is from Bac's ruling:

Point #2

Syn was told on January 16th by Boli to remove the information from the IK write ups that said only the Knight Commander knows of the base’s location. Syn argued against it, as he is entitled to do, but Boli was clear in his ruling. Syn apparently did not follow through on this. It is, however, still a valid ruling and applies retroactively.

Knight commander being the only one in the know doesn't apply.

Edit: Sorry Weiss didn't see your post

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

And if the half-dozen or so TIE fighters authorized for training flights had had their hyperdrives and navigation computers removed? Would that sound reasonable to you?