Battle: Raid at Balmorra

[Aluminum Falcon]

Even if your ships aren't responding to certain threats, shouldn't you still take note of them in your post? And wouldn't you be getting extra damage from them since your shielding is focused elsewhere?

So does that mean that if in the future, I head off to Nal Hutta, launch a whole bunch of nukes, and I can auto hit Nal Hutta?

Just because he is not denoting every detail about your ships doesn't mean those defenses are relaxed. He never stated anywhere in any of his posts that he was focusing his shielding. At all.

No, that isn't what it means. It means that when you attack Nal Hutta we are going to pester you and debate little things until you no longer have interest in the thread. As has resulted here.

A great defensive tactic, no?

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Seriously though, just post, let's get this thread over with.

 

[Cailst]

Just because he is not denoting every detail about your ships doesn't mean those defenses are relaxed. He never stated anywhere in any of his posts that he was focusing his shielding. At all.

No, that isn't what it means. It means that when you attack Nal Hutta we are going to pester you and debate little things until you no longer have interest in the thread. As has resulted here.

A great defensive tactic, no?

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Seriously though, just post, let's get this thread over with.

He's not denoting every detail about my ships, in fact, I haven't seen any detail about my ships. Considering they're firing at his ships from medium range, I'd say that's an important thing to post about.

Well, I'd say it's a decent defensive tactic against getting auto hit by nukes.

 

[Rameth]

Cailst what more do you want from me? For me to go back and edit my posts to say your also hitting me with your guns?? As I've already said like 4 times. I AM NOT IGNORING YOUR ATTACKS. In my mind I already made note of that your ships were attacking me and I am taking the appropriate damage. Yes I am sorry I didn't acknowledge your attacks IC but, I thought, you were doing that when you posted saying it was happening. I'll have to make note of that the next time I'm in a space battle but this is how this should have went down.

Cailst: Hey I'm also shooting you with my ships remember?
Rameth: Oh ya I know, I just didn't write anything about them in my posts cause I'm not focusing on them.
Cailst: Oh okay just wanted to make sure.

Instead I have you keep telling me the same thing over and over again with me telling you I'm not ignoring you. I'm not responding to anymore "Why no takez the hurtz Rameth?" posts. So please stop it.

To the thing about nuking Nal Hutta, well ya you could. There are so many ways to destroy things in Star Wars its surprising the galaxy isn't gone. If there wasn't the rule that you couldn't destroy planets there would be at least a few ways I could have taken out Balmorra without even engaging you. The problem was that it would have destroyed the planet completely so those would be out. I also could have just sent a single cloaked starfighter with a few nukes attached to it and dropped them as I was above the capital. I'm sure that would have pissed everybody off. Taking over a planet is hard, blowing it up isn't. The Empire demonstrates this more then anyone.

 

[Cailst]

Cailst what more do you want from me? For me to go back and edit my posts to say your also hitting me with your guns?? As I've already said like 4 times. I AM NOT IGNORING YOUR ATTACKS. In my mind I already made note of that your ships were attacking me and I am taking the appropriate damage. Yes I am sorry I didn't acknowledge your attacks IC but, I thought, you were doing that when you posted saying it was happening. I'll have to make note of that the next time I'm in a space battle but this is how this should have went down.

Yes, I would like you to go back and edit your posts. It's a lot easier for observers to know what's been done when it's actually posted than when it's in your head. And whenever I'm posting, I'm merely making the shots. It's the receiver that says what they do. Likewise, I say what you're damaging after you say you shoot or bomb something.

Cailst: Hey I'm also shooting you with my ships remember?
Rameth: Oh ya I know, I just didn't write anything about them in my posts cause I'm not focusing on them.
Cailst: Oh okay just wanted to make sure.

Instead I have you keep telling me the same thing over and over again with me telling you I'm not ignoring you. I'm not responding to anymore "Why no takez the hurtz Rameth?" posts. So please stop it.

Well, I wouldn't continue saying stuff if you actually did something to change it.

To the thing about nuking Nal Hutta, well ya you could. There are so many ways to destroy things in Star Wars its surprising the galaxy isn't gone. If there wasn't the rule that you couldn't destroy planets there would be at least a few ways I could have taken out Balmorra without even engaging you. The problem was that it would have destroyed the planet completely so those would be out. I also could have just sent a single cloaked starfighter with a few nukes attached to it and dropped them as I was above the capital. I'm sure that would have pissed everybody off. Taking over a planet is hard, blowing it up isn't. The Empire demonstrates this more then anyone.

This is also 12,978 years before a New Hope so the balance of power can be very different.

 

[Santoro]

I'm glad three out of four battles have ground to a halt.

 

[Rameth]

Yes, I would like you to go back and edit your posts. It's a lot easier for observers to know what's been done when it's actually posted than when it's in your head. And whenever I'm posting, I'm merely making the shots. It's the receiver that says what they do. Likewise, I say what you're damaging after you say you shoot or bomb something.

Well, I wouldn't continue saying stuff if you actually did something to change it.

It actually would have been easier if you just said that you wanted me to edit my posts instead of just letting me tell you the same thing again and again. I can't read minds and I would appreciate people telling me they have a problem with what I'm doing then just having me figure it out on my own. Its a lot faster that way.

Also it shouldn't matter that I mention every single attack against me in this kind of battle. The fact that I mention taking heavy damage (which I have in every post) should be enough. I don't see how people could look at this thread and think I'm ignoring anything. Yet I do see what you mean and apologize. I will edit that last three posts I have to say that I took damage from your ships.

Now will you please post so we can get this done with?

 

[Cailst]

It actually would have been easier if you just said that you wanted me to edit my posts instead of just letting me tell you the same thing again and again. I can't read minds and I would appreciate people telling me they have a problem with what I'm doing then just having me figure it out on my own. Its a lot faster that way.

Also it shouldn't matter that I mention every single attack against me in this kind of battle. The fact that I mention taking heavy damage (which I have in every post) should be enough. I don't see how people could look at this thread and think I'm ignoring anything. Yet I do see what you mean and apologize. I will edit that last three posts I have to say that I took damage from your ships.

Now will you please post so we can get this done with?

I thought it would be assumed that complaints meant that you should have altered your post. But if there is need again, I'll mention it.

This is a fairly small battle, I don't think it's unreasonable to at least notice everything that's firing at you. I'm glad the MAC guns are doing stuff but I think the defense fleet should have some effect.

 

[Rameth]

I edited my posts but not much. I only mentioned in every post the fleet was attacking us and getting closer.

 

[Jiang Winters]

Sorry guys, but I'm going to have to have you stop this thread due to the inappropriate use of a weapon of mass destruction. We allow nukes in space, but we don't allow WMD's or other massively destructive devices to be deployed on a planet, and under no circumstances do we allow a city to be shelled or destroyed unless the staff has discussed and approved of such an act.

edit - If you want to just edit your post to a large-scale missile barrage instead of a nuclear strike, Rameth, that'd be perfectly fine. You can cause damage to the city, but not destroy it.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I thought the rules say you can't destroy a planet? I didn't see anything about WMDs or cities.

 

[Jiang Winters]

D. No one can completely destroy or cause massive destruction on a planet. The extent of the damage caused to a planet, generally by orbital bombardment, would be the destruction of someone’s facility or the destruction of a city. Occasional shelling of civilian population centers is allowed, so long as it is cleared by the Staff. There will be absolutely no Base Delta Zero operations or anything similar to them.

The rules are worded somewhat ambiguously, but 'massive destruction' is taken to mean damage that cannot reasonably be caused through conventional means, such as artillery strikes or air raids. Bac and I actually spoke about this a couple months ago; we agreed that the rule needs to be revised and more clearly worded, but neither of us have gotten around to it. A thread regarding the revision of the rule has been made in the staff board.

Also:

C. No one may posses a Superweapon of any kind which includes, but is not limited to, Death Stars, Superlasers (unless they are some sort of ground based Ion Canon), Sun Crushers, Galaxy Guns, Darksabers, etc. Large scale explosives may be used on vessels.

This is taken to mean that large-scale explosives [IE: Nukes or Baradium or antimatter warheads] are not allowed for use in planetary warfare, they are only to be used against warships in space. Again, this is ambiguously worded and is in need of change.

So my understanding of the rules, after discussing them with Bac a while back, is that WMD's are -not- allowed to be used against planets.

 

[Rameth]

Okay I don't mean to sound rude or insulting but thats retarded. Whats the difference of bombing the city to rubble with a lot of missiles and just using one or two nukes? Or is that against the rules as well? As that would also be retarded...

Now before you go saying anything, if it is against the rules, which you would know considering your an admin, I will change it. Its not my place to argue about the rules. Also this information would have been useful oh about 12 days ago :CStern


Now onto actual IC problems. Cailst I believe you mentioned once before about my fleet moving into or through the minefield. I think it was when you said I was in the upper atmosphere. I never once said I moved my fleet through there. That would be stupid on my part as it would just be a funnel where the MAC guns could shoot at me, as you plainly pointed out in your post. It would also make escape rather impossible for me when the time came. I only made the hole in the minefield large enough for my missiles barrage to get through unhindered, I didn't want my capital ships going through.

I guess I should have been more descriptive on my explanation. Either way it seems there will be no more nukes so we will both have to rewrite our posts. When you do please don't make mention of that.

 

[Jiang Winters]

I said you could cause damage to the city, not 'bomb it to rubble'. So much as a light bombardment of a city needs staff approval, so consider yourself approved to cause some damage to the city, but nothing more, k? If you've ever seen any of the ruined city areas from Ghost in the Shell, that's the sort of damage I'm allowing you to cause to a handful of the city's districts. Utter annihilation? Nope, but definitely demoralizing and expensive to repair.

As for the timing, sorry 'bout that but I really haven't been keeping track of any of the battle threads. I just wandered in out of curiosity today and noticed the nukes.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

We win?

 

[Ser Gregor]

I'd like to know the situation with this thread.

If people could add me to MSN so I can get this thread moving again: [email protected]

 

[Santoro]

I'd like to know the situation with this thread.

If people could add me to MSN so I can get this thread moving again: [email protected]

I'll try to bash some skulls. As it is now, the Hutts just bombarded a big city on Balmorra and are moving to gtfo.

 

[Cailst]

I'll try to bash some skulls. As it is now, the Hutts just bombarded a big city on Balmorra and are moving to gtfo.

Are we finishing this fight? I altered my post so there was merely a strong missile barrage and now we're closing in on the hole where the Taung fleet poured through on their way to the planet.

 

[Santoro]

With Rameths disappearance I'll post tomorrow getting his forces out, if you're okay with it.

 

[Cailst]

With Rameths disappearance I'll post tomorrow getting his forces out, if you're okay with it.

Well, I'm still fighting back and you'll have to make it out of the gravity well of the planet before you can escape.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

Well, I'm still fighting back and you'll have to make it out of the gravity well of the planet before you can escape.

You are a giant pile of inconvenience. Let it go.