First order of buisness take 2

[Arm514ve]

Alright considering the poll was for some reason closed I'm re posting the thread and poll.

Alright First order of business the poll is also only for us three council members Should Cordons Challenge be axcepted for mandalore, AND should the dual be held in the old threads?

Post your answer for the thread question below.

 

[Phil]

Since this poll concerns me and Corden, I feel I should voice my own concern.

Honestly, it should be how it was agreed between the two. Roxton stated the terms and that it was for Honor, and Corden agreed to it. I should also note that those are the only terms I am fighting on aswell, considering I am not Mandalore anymore.

 

[Bad Wolf]

I'm gonna say that the new thread is the one that stands, Corden issued the challenge and Mandalore responded.

 

[Vencu]

I'm fine with the new thread, so that's a moot point.

Corden agreed to the terms regulating the duel itself, but he specifically stated that he would let the people choose his fate, meaning that once he defeated Mandalore (the person who is supposedly the strongest and most skilled warrior among the Mandalorians), they would be the ones to decide whether or not Corden would take his place. Since this is a new challenge, Corden's rank should be taken into account as well. It was said that only a high ranking warrior could challenge Mandalore. Now he is a high ranking warrior.

 

[Loco]

First off, I apologize for the delay on my end. My mobilization has officially started, and I am no longer at my home, nor will I be for the next 10-12 months at least. Currently, I'm sitting at a computer lab in Fort Lewis, WA, waiting to hop a plane to Afghanistan. The internet is shite, and I can't get over here every day. There's also no wi-fi in our barracks. So, as you may have inferred at this point, my commentary will be limited, as well as will my IC involvement, for the foreseeable future.

Now, yes, I do think the duel should happen, and the thread deal is a non-issue- doesn't really matter one way or the other. For the results- this is tricky, because they didn't actually declare it to be a duel for title. Even more so because Phil is stepping down regardless now. So, here's what I think-

They fight. If Phil wins, he hands over to whoever he wants/Johnny. If Corden wins, he has every right to request the position, and I think he has legitimate grounds to take it if he wants (if he wins, of course). Now, since he wants it to be up to the people, he has the option to put it to vote- himself, or another(johnny). Now, that said, I think it would be highly encouraged, culturally speaking, to welcome Corden as the new Mandalore at this point. This is how leaders have come around for the last several thousands years for us, by being the strongest and most strong willed among us- even if not everyone likes it all the time. Right now, as a people, we probably think Roxton is the baddest dude alive right now, which is why we follow him- if Corden beats him, that idea should be taken into consideration for any further decisions made.

In summarry- your poll is flawed. Winner should make their own choice. If that choice is further contested, we can have another discussion and/or vote.



Until next time, that's "Loco Today" :cool:

 

[Phil]

You know, maybe I should just say "**** this duel" entirely since it's becoming less of a duel and more of a dick measuring contest. So I should just retire now, pass my title on and not have to worry about any of this anymore since I'm sick and tired of it by this point. It should have been done by now, yet it's not.

HADES.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

This thread was pointed out to me by a member of this faction, so I'll make a brief comment:

I'm fine with the new thread, so that's a moot point.

Corden agreed to the terms regulating the duel itself, but he specifically stated that he would let the people choose his fate, meaning that once he defeated Mandalore (the person who is supposedly the strongest and most skilled warrior among the Mandalorians), they would be the ones to decide whether or not Corden would take his place. Since this is a new challenge, Corden's rank should be taken into account as well. It was said that only a high ranking warrior could challenge Mandalore. Now he is a high ranking warrior.

First off, I apologize for the delay on my end. My mobilization has officially started, and I am no longer at my home, nor will I be for the next 10-12 months at least. Currently, I'm sitting at a computer lab in Fort Lewis, WA, waiting to hop a plane to Afghanistan. The internet is shite, and I can't get over here every day. There's also no wi-fi in our barracks. So, as you may have inferred at this point, my commentary will be limited, as well as will my IC involvement, for the foreseeable future.

Now, yes, I do think the duel should happen, and the thread deal is a non-issue- doesn't really matter one way or the other. For the results- this is tricky, because they didn't actually declare it to be a duel for title. Even more so because Phil is stepping down regardless now. So, here's what I think-

They fight. If Phil wins, he hands over to whoever he wants/Johnny. If Corden wins, he has every right to request the position, and I think he has legitimate grounds to take it if he wants (if he wins, of course). Now, since he wants it to be up to the people, he has the option to put it to vote- himself, or another(johnny). Now, that said, I think it would be highly encouraged, culturally speaking, to welcome Corden as the new Mandalore at this point. This is how leaders have come around for the last several thousands years for us, by being the strongest and most strong willed among us- even if not everyone likes it all the time. Right now, as a people, we probably think Roxton is the baddest dude alive right now, which is why we follow him- if Corden beats him, that idea should be taken into consideration for any further decisions made.

In summarry- your poll is flawed. Winner should make their own choice. If that choice is further contested, we can have another discussion and/or vote.



Until next time, that's "Loco Today" :cool:

That's all super fantastic, but it's also wrong. The Council has the power to regulate disputes. Now let me yet again repost part of my previous ruling:

Once that happens, and the Council is put in place, the Council will do its job. It will decide whether or not Corden’s challenge is valid.

Perhaps this isn't the best worded poll, but the Council has the power to determine whether the challenge for leadership is valid, i.e. before the challenge takes place.

I don't want to have to keep repeating myself. Figure this out. If this Council and the RPers in it and in the faction can't drop their egos and figure this out, then the faction is beyond repair anyway and a new leader won't mean a damn thing.

Figure it out, fix this faction (starting with your own egotistical selves, and I'm not just referring to only one side of this dispute), or I'm going to do it for you, because this is just embarrassing now.

 

[Arm514ve]

Vary well time to put full foot down on the councils decision. The Fight will be for HONOR not for the Mandalore title. they will take place in the recent thread that takes place on Fenris in Mandalores office. As for who takes over after the Dual even if cordon wins the new Mandalore is Johny I can even put it to a poll for the council and I guarantee it will be for Johny.

I'm sick and tired of this in fighting because of this dam issue Cordon you have with Phil if you want to argue more then I will make a new poll to null and void the dual and we will also put it to vote to demote Cordon due to charges of treason or albeit to Exile Cordon as Dar'manda do to new evidence of him being death watch being brought up.

Your constant attacks on those in charge and constant arguing of any decision has lead to completely halting this faction and has done nothing but damage it. so if you have any other issues you can PM me but as for the matter of the dual is now closed the Dual at the moment will proceed with the terms stated above.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Corden the express ruling of the Staff was it fell to the elected Council. They have majority ruled this duel will happen but not for the title.

To be honest your fight is with the man and you shouldn't be trying to lay claim to the title. You have said twice to me now if anyone wanted to step up and lead you would step aside. You brought this duel back up again in the thread making me leader and when I tried to take the position you cited you were better.

 

[Vencu]

And the council must abide by the intricacies of the culture, but they aren't. I've been led on for a long time now and I'm done. I guess I've been far too trusting. I've already considered shelving my Mandalorian characters because of all this, but I'm not going to abandon my passion because a few people like to portray the Mandalorians contrary to how they are shown in canon.

As per the council's decision, Corden will fight Roxton for honor, not for title... And when Corden has defeated the strongest, most skilled warrior among the Mandalorians, he should at least be recognized/revered as such. Can that much be agreed to? If so, we can end this debate for good. I'm sure we will all be happy to be rid of it.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

And the council must abide by the intricacies of the culture, but they aren't. I've been led on for a long time now and I'm done. I guess I've been far too trusting. I've already considered shelving my Mandalorian characters because of all this, but I'm not going to abandon my passion because a few people like to portray the Mandalorians contrary to how they are shown in canon.

The Council is abiding by the culture that was set up by the Think Tank which had two Mandalorians (Trell and myself) and a former three time Mandalore (Matt). The culture points were agreed upon and some facets of the Mando culture just aren't conducive to RPing, but I do hope we made steps to get as close as possible.

Remember, I see the faction as beyond the military and will do all that I can to incorporate Mandalorian characters who don't want to be simply aligned as a soldier. We are a culture and their characters should be recognized for that and have some say such as Horizon.

As stated when the Think Tank started I would not like you to abandon your passion. Clan Vencu can readily hold its own beliefs if they do not obstruct the Mando'ade as a whole.

As for "far too trusting" I offer that your rise from sergeant to commander was pushed heavily by me and we are doing nothing betraying the canon. You must realize as tradition heavy as the Mandos are change is inevitable. Hell, it's even marked in canon things have changed.

As per the council's decision, Corden will fight Roxton for honor, not for title... And when Corden has defeated the strongest, most skilled warrior among the Mandalorians, he should at least be recognized/revered as such. Can that much be agreed to?

Agreed.

If so, we can end this debate for good. I'm sure we will all be happy to be rid of it.

Double Agreed.