Hearing of Caris

[Dmitri]

Recently, Caris without authorization released the Imperial Knight prisoners. There will be a closed door hearing for Caris in the coming day or so. I'll try to get it up tonight, if possible.

 

[Black Noise]

Without permission? Intriguing, mind if Roann attends the hearing. I'm assuming that's more of a rhetorical question, but it's respectful to ask and I'm often wrong. Thus, I ask.

 

[Dmitri]

The hearing's 'committee' will be made up of the Holy Trinity of Chiss Awesomeness (aka Heliel, Roann, and Martini).

 

[Black Noise]

The hearing's 'committee' will be made up of the Holy Trinity of Chiss Awesomeness (aka Heliel, Roann, and Martini).

The holy trinity, everyday we be smitin'

 

[Dmitri]

I'll probably make the thread when I get back from class.

 

[Dmitri]

All's Unfair in Love and War

 

[Dmitri]

Okay, we've waited on the Imperial delegate long enough. I've posted. There is no posting order as of right now, though likely Alex will go next.

 

[Alexander Dregar]

Any OOC questions for me? And the reason I am having Caris be so open and straight forward, as well as take any punishment is simple, neither he, nor I, can stand to put the entire Chiss people in danger for one man's actions :p So I will happily take anything that happens. But Caris is still a military genius, do you really think he would have released them without planting in people who would follow his orders should war come around again?

 

[Black Noise]

Any OOC questions for me? And the reason I am having Caris be so open and straight forward, as well as take any punishment is simple, neither he, nor I, can stand to put the entire Chiss people in danger for one man's actions :p So I will happily take anything that happens. But Caris is still a military genius, do you really think he would have released them without planting in people who would follow his orders should war come around again?

Oh I assume as such mate. Truthfully, unlike what Sam's character is thinking, I really don't think execution is on the table. We are not Sith, and you're not a 'full traitor' per se. The most that will happen is probably imprisonment in my eyes(though Weiss might have other ideas/opinions and he has final say), at least demoting big time. Either way, if death is brought up I'll be fighting it on principle.

 

[Lupe]

Death, in my opinion, is only an option if the Imperial Knights do retaliate, because then Caris really did put Chiss lives at risk, but then again that is highly unlikely.

 

[Alexander Dregar]

If they retaliate, then Caris would put himself on the front Line, and destroy them. He protected them if they decide to fight again he will have a plan, probably IK traitors in the 3000, as well as putting himself directly on the front lines. That I promise you. And if death is needed to stop the Empire from reliating against us, so be it. I myself suggest demoting, or exile from the Chiss rather than imprisonment, because if he is imprisoned, it would give IK reason to hate the Chiss or try and fight to free him, see? Death would cause much the same problem, it would only fuel the IK in their distrust of the Empire and Chiss.

 

[Black Noise]

Death, in my opinion, is only an option if the Imperial Knights do retaliate, because then Caris really did put Chiss lives at risk, but then again that is highly unlikely.

This would be an 'if' situation. What I am essentially saying is that we Chiss don't execute over 'if' situations. And, I agree with you, it is highly unlikely they'll retaliate because we returned their own people. It would be a stupid move really.

If they retaliate, then Caris would put himself on the front Line, and destroy them. He protected them if they decide to fight again he will have a plan, probably IK traitors in the 3000, as well as putting himself directly on the front lines. That I promise you. And if death is needed to stop the Empire from reliating against us, so be it. I myself suggest demoting, or exile from the Chiss rather than imprisonment, because if he is imprisoned, it would give IK reason to hate the Chiss or try and fight to free him, see? Death would cause much the same problem, it would only fuel the IK in their distrust of the Empire and Chiss.

Very brave of you, I'd actually expect nothing less haha. But in seriousness, he wouldn't be allowed near them if they did retaliate. As for stopping the Empire from retaliating against us, really now, such language is not needed. They will not interfere in our council thread and pass their own judgement at the threat of 'retaliation.' Such an action is a declaration of war, and the Empire wouldn't do that.
If we exile Caris, we've essentially just sent him to the IK. So I don't see Exile as a possible choice, more likely complete demotion to recruit. And public execution of Caris would not happen in the first place, so the IK would not immediately know if he died. Plus, even if we execute Caris privately, the IK will eventually figure it out and suddenly the 'good and neutral Chiss' have become just a clone of the Empire, killing people we don't like. So, as I said before, execution is probably NOT on the table at all.

 

[Alexander Dregar]

Caris as a recruit would be funny, he would have the respect from before, but would force anyone to treat him as a recruit lol, he would work his way back up, and that would be a fitting punishment. If you want to act like a child, you will be treated like one, type thing :p However, if exile was put up, he would not be joining the IK, he would go Independant with Kiada :p Would be fun but yeah, why put one of the top military minds and soldiers out of commission completely, give him a reason to fight even harder, to clear his shame, give him a way to regain his status, that would be a Chiss way me thinks. Though I think Legionaire would be more fitting, as he is a combat vet, but like I said, whatever you guys need to do, do.

However, as I am thinking about it, if it was a real situation I think that the punishment would go along the lines of this: Imprisonment for a few years, and stripped of rank and military commission

 

[Dmitri]

True, execution's off the table. Exile wouldn't be used. Demotion is likely gonna happen. Imprisonment will need to be decided if done or not. Something Boli and I had brought up when we were talking on MSN last week is Caris repaying his debt he did to the Imperium (which in technicality, they don't hold authority over the IK as the Sith excommunicated them and the Chiss were given the 3000 at Seoul V to do as they pleased) by serving as an intern in the Imperium.

it is highly unlikely they'll retaliate because we returned their own people. It would be a stupid move really.

This statement is only true because Syn is dead. :CStern

 

[Black Noise]

True, execution's off the table. Exile wouldn't be used. Demotion is likely gonna happen. Imprisonment will need to be decided if done or not. Something Boli and I had brought up when we were talking on MSN last week is Caris repaying his debt he did to the Imperium (which in technicality, they don't hold authority over the IK as the Sith excommunicated them and the Chiss were given the 3000 at Seoul V to do as they pleased) by serving as an intern in the Imperium.

Exactly.
As for imperium idea, I don't like it. Caris is a high ranking officer ATM and he does know sensitive information. It's be like America giving a screw-up Major over to the British to act in the army as a private. It's not that we don't explicably trust them, rather, he simply knows sensitive information that may be harmful if obtained(forcefully. Again, privates and acolytes die all the time in the Empire)

This statement is only true because Syn is dead. :CStern

Hell yes, we all know that.

 

[Alexander Dregar]

Had it still be Syn I never would have given them back :p

 

[Dmitri]

Had it still be Syn I never would have given them back :p

We'd serve the kool-aid.

 

[Alexander Dregar]

It's scary! Supposedly I live about 40 miles from where Syn was said to live!! I fear for my life!

 

[Count Sam]

Oh I assume as such mate. Truthfully, unlike what Sam's character is thinking, I really don't think execution is on the table. We are not Sith, and you're not a 'full traitor' per se. The most that will happen is probably imprisonment in my eyes(though Weiss might have other ideas/opinions and he has final say), at least demoting big time. Either way, if death is brought up I'll be fighting it on principle.

Well Nuru is not going to suggest the execution of Caris, after all he did not do that because he was working with the GA or something so execution should be out of the table, and of course Caris is Nuru's friend so he wouldn't want him to be killed unless someone states that he was working with the GA alliance or something.

My guy would most likely request that Caris be demoted to the lowest rank in the marine corps and spend his free time military prison for few years.

 

[Black Noise]

We'd serve the kool-aid.

We aren't already?

It's scary! Supposedly I live about 40 miles from where Syn was said to live!! I fear for my life!

Ain't no problem on Earth a shotgun and a license to carry cant fix.