Indie Factions Relations Thread

[BLADE]

I see people tossing around numbers, but there's little context, even from admins. What is a lot of credits? How much is reasonable for a rich person to have? How does the economy work? Etc.

You guys don't need to go into huge detail, but it would be handy to have at least some guidelines as mercantile factions come into vogue, particularly since I see a lot of silliness here from just about everyone.

 

[Gaja]

Here is the thread I was speaking of: Linky Linky. The whole 550 Million is for the total cost of the facility, but less than 8 million will be used for the first phase of the structure, which will start as a small complex with minor shipbuilding functions. We may not be able to pay the whole 550 Million, but the Tion Coalition has yet to pay Komad Industries anything, as we are only paying for the successful completion of each phase.

I'll leave the amount and thread validity to Jiang.

But just so we clarify you stole how much and intend to give how much to Komad? [this will determine Komad's current status as well]

I see people tossing around numbers, but there's little context, even from admins. What is a lot of credits? How much is reasonable for a rich person to have? How does the economy work? Etc.

You guys don't need to go into huge detail, but it would be handy to have at least some guidelines as mercantile factions come into vogue, particularly since I see a lot of silliness here from just about everyone.

Exactly, there's little context in all of this, because suddenly everyone's throwing around money like it fell out of the sky, everyone's getting money and doing something and claiming big boy status. So the purpose of this thread is to see who's doing what and establish what in the blue hell is actually going on with Indie factions.

Well the way most people go about it is 1$ = 1Cr, at least somewhere in that balance. So a rich person would be a millionaire, much like in our world. Yet suddenly Sith who aren't supposed to have that much, are investing 150 million, a rookie Rebel faction has 550 to invest...

*brings the gavel down*

Order! Order!

The honorable judge Jiang and judge Lavi, and Padme if she has time, will help settle this.

 

[Jason Webb]

On the matter of the Tacitus Corporation, it's members are essentially floating in space with a plan that was never put into action backed by less than a hundred thousand Cr. If Xan and the Initiative would like to secure some ground for the Tacitus and revive it's members then they will have themselves a profit and shipyard in little time I believe, though I will no longer have part in it since I have shifted my focus.

 

[Lavi]

Here is the thread I was speaking of: Linky Linky. The whole 550 Million is for the total cost of the facility, but less than 8 million will be used for the first phase of the structure, which will start as a small complex with minor shipbuilding functions. We may not be able to pay the whole 550 Million, but the Tion Coalition has yet to pay Komad Industries anything, as we are only paying for the successful completion of each phase.

I explicitly told you that your facility cannot work multiple things when it is first established: research facilities and shipyards have entirely different functions and requirements.

On the matter of the Tacitus Corporation, it's members are essentially floating in space with a plan that was never put into action backed by less than a hundred thousand Cr. If Xan and the Initiative would like to secure some ground for the Tacitus and revive it's members then they will have themselves a profit and shipyard in little time I believe, though I will no longer have part in it since I have shifted my focus.

Tacitus Corporation needs to have its minimum requirement of members before it can start taking part in the RP, the opposite is not true.

 

[Nor'baal]

I am worried that some of the India Factions, Komad, Tion, Hive and Tacticus are gearing towards become a single faction. All of them are members of each other (Komad excluded) and as far as I am aware are selling to each other and are also investing each others money in each other, effectively playing pass the parcel with one lump sum.

Are you guys looking to unite as one faction?

 

[Jason Webb]

Tacitus Corporation needs to have its minimum requirement of members before it can start taking part in the RP, the opposite is not true.

We had over the required amount, even some powerful connections, if Xan can revive a few of them then the faction can continue.

 

[Silver Cutlass]

I explicitly told you that your facility cannot work multiple things when it is first established: research facilities and shipyards have entirely different functions and requirements.

Thanks for clarifying, and with the complex being merely an R&D Facility, Komad will be paid 700,000 for its initial construction stage, which will include all facets within the facility like design terminals and programs and such.

I am worried that some of the India Factions, Komad, Tion, Hive and Tacticus are gearing towards become a single faction. All of them are members of each other (Komad excluded) and as far as I am aware are selling to each other and are also investing each others money in each other, effectively playing pass the parcel with one lump sum.

Are you guys looking to unite as one faction?

And, as of currently, the Tion Coalition isn't a member of any faction, except for the Hive, which it will be pulling out of soon due to lack of funds to invest and general secrecy of the Coalition.

 

[Lavi]

We had over the required amount, even some powerful connections, if Xan can revive a few of them then the faction can continue.

This doesn't make any sense. Why would any indie faction need outside assistance in order to do anything? Indie factions are supposed to operate as an entity rather than as an individual.

 

[Jason Webb]

This doesn't make any sense. Why would any indie faction need outside assistance in order to do anything? Indie factions are supposed to operate as an entity rather than as an individual.

Sorry, Tacitus and the Initiative (and the Hive I believe) merged with Xan as their leader.

In response to my post, http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?48868-Very-long-over-due-post

Xan sent me this message.

Greetings. As you can probably guess, I am contacting you about your Corporation Inde Faction. You posted that you wouldn't have time for it, and that anyone with interest in it should contact you. Well, I'm forming my own inde faction that is essentially a revived Initiative (if you don't know what that is, then ask and I'll explain) and one thing that the Initiative has done so far is to absorb a couple of other factions into it to become a larger, conglomerate faction. I would like to add Tacitus Corporation to the New Initiative's ranks, merging it with Hive Manufacturing (or keeping it separate) to form a larger company. I thought that I would ask permission to do so, as this would arguably be a better fate than seeing it be archived.

 

[Wanderer]

I am worried that some of the India Factions, Komad, Tion, Hive and Tacticus are gearing towards become a single faction. All of them are members of each other (Komad excluded) and as far as I am aware are selling to each other and are also investing each others money in each other, effectively playing pass the parcel with one lump sum.

Are you guys looking to unite as one faction?

I have no desire nor plans to merge with anyone. I've always stated that Komad Industries will remain independent. We will eagerly take others under us as subsidiaries or assets, but will not become one. I have spent no credits, 'passing around a lump sum,' and will not become a member with another. I hope that clears up confusion and Silver please PM so we can go over a new contract.

 

[Gaja]

I am worried that some of the India Factions, Komad, Tion, Hive and Tacticus are gearing towards become a single faction. All of them are members of each other (Komad excluded) and as far as I am aware are selling to each other and are also investing each others money in each other, effectively playing pass the parcel with one lump sum.

Are you guys looking to unite as one faction?

Apparently that's Xan's idea is. Unite three almost non-existant factions in to one passable one? Still the money issue has been sort of settled, instead of 550 million, Komad received 700.000. That only leaves Xan's 150 million. xD

This doesn't make any sense. Why would any indie faction need outside assistance in order to do anything? Indie factions are supposed to operate as an entity rather than as an individual.

Well none of the members are active in that faction so per forum rules unless the do that they shouldn't be an active one. [and not just copy paste links from other factions either]

Sorry, Tacitus and the Initiative (and the Hive I believe) merged with Xan as their leader.

You giving Tacitus to Xan is fine, what he get out of it however is up to Lavi to decide. A 100 thousand however seems about right.

Initiative money issue still stands but no IC posts have been made on how he actually established himself as the new boss. So there's that.

Hive is doitean's faction. I checked. He hasn't given any type of authority over to Xan.

 

[Wanderer]

The Tion Coalition contract has been renegotiated to 830,000 to be exact, we just discussed such in PM. Also while I have some big wigs here, do I need authorization once I have accepted a Indie Mission/Bounty to start a thread? Or can I just start it?

 

[Cassanova]

Holy crap.

I think the base issue here is that all these Indie Factions are built around the notion of ego. Everyone wants to be in charge of something cool. And you're all looking like utter, petty fools for it.

The Retrade, as an example (yes i'm using it, cuz it fkn WORKS!), is built IC and OOC around a single concept of providing IC and OOC networks and contacts for Indie community members, providing unique opportunities for RP. As far as pissing money up the wall - we can do that. Its been running for nearly 9 months, and has over 40 admin-nodded (and documented) assets.

I'm going to now take the time to attack each and every one of you, because you all need a damned good reality check.

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- Tion Coalition; a rebellion of LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND PEOPLE

-750 Foot Soldiers (NPC)
-700 Naval Crewmen (NPC)
-420 Starfighter Pilots (NPC)

Point in fact, you're also mid-RP of getting your ass handed to you. You don't just magically pull money from places to pay bills for more crap. Not when you're talking about illegal rebellion (its illegal because its in imperial space)

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- Komad; As much as I see you've not spent anything, that is b.s. You spend money on wages, resources. When it costs over $10,000 USD to create a simple utility app for an iPhone, you're dreaming if you think you can research and create dozens of ships and military-grade hardware for free. Dreaming. Other than that - keep up the good work. Although, as i mentioned via PM to you - a faction dedicated to "peace" that makes guns... weird thing. Sort out the "vision" for that faction.

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- Initiative; Xan... Xan... Xan... 4 indie factions under a Sith. If you don't see the problem here, you need to get a backhand to the face, dude. If you've got time to run a network of indie factions (rather than just playing them and pitting them against one another), you're not doing your job as a member of the Sith Order. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sith higher ups took notice of your little 'empire' and decided to lop your head off.

Beyond that, I seriously believe that what your'e doing is unfair, not as in like taking candy from a baby, but you're not leaving any opportunity for others to step up and have new RP's. Create a story, not something to fluff your ego.

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Beyond that, I can't really be bothered going into Tacitus, cuz they're not even approved... soooo no point even touching that. Hive... I've no idea what the hell is going on there. That thing has no money to begin with, and has been passed around the the mouldy potato it is.

I'm going to quote a PM conversation I had with Silver Cutlass the other day. Which he, for all intents and purposes, appears to have completely ignored or misconstrued my meaning.

We were discussing what makes the Retrade a successful (and wealthy) Indie faction.

We've got a sizeable fleet, a huge army, and assets everywhere. Why? Because we're not about winning. We're about opportunities for community members, and that is IC and OOC. We play all sides of the war because thats what creates opportunities. Where as between you, doitean, Nor'baal, and Kin-wan - you're all trying to "win" something. Which is exactly why you boys always lose. Don't mean to sound harsh here. All of you are missing the key ingredient to a great indie faction; Vision.

And another one, when discussing the situation between the Tion Coalition and the Empire.

that's all we're here to do. Write stories. Doesn't matter if you lose, but if your character can stand against the odds of 1:100 and not run away, that is about as good of a victory as anyone can hope for. To the original point at hand; 500,000,000Cr. Given the fact I've no idea what it is for, I'd suggest not bothering. Live small. Live personal. Use the time between now and the skip to bump heads with Jedi and characters who would work towards filling the roles of Rebellion Leaders and such. It's not going to be ships or technology that wins the war. Its going to be simple interactions, networks, and relationships between characters that is going to make all the difference. And even if the rebellion buckles like a park bench under the weight of a Mexican family -- So what? You wrote a damned fine story. And that is a victory here at TheStarWarsRP.com and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that fact.

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To summarise; you're all missing the point of an Indie faction. Its not about YOU, as a leader. Its about presenting opportunities for an amazing story focused around an amazing group of characters that we've created. Its not about the elevation of one member above others to lord himself around doing all sorts of ludicrous things like throwing billions of credits around, or miraculously acquiring dozens of things, or producing dozens of ships or designs.

Its about story.

 

[Wanderer]

Komad; As much as I see you've not spent anything, that is b.s. You spend money on wages, resources. When it costs over $10,000 USD to create a simple utility app for an iPhone, you're dreaming if you think you can research and create dozens of ships and military-grade hardware for free. Dreaming. Other than that - keep up the good work. Although, as i mentioned via PM to you - a faction dedicated to "peace" that makes guns... weird thing. Sort out the "vision" for that faction.

I did not imply I didn't spend money on research, manufacturing, or salaries. I was stating that I/we have made no major purchases, such as ordering a star destroyer(not that we could because of restrictions) or commissioning a facility to be built. As for our vision, there is a reason a faction supposedly dedicated to peace makes guns and has military forces, though I will not reveal my hand to you or anyone else until I'm ready. Our supposed goal is supposed to make you wonder, supposed to make you suspicious...to make you think. I have a vision, I'm just not going to share it with anyone outside my faction. I have been planning this faction, its goals, and its major storyline for months. Don't accuse me of lacking vision, the stories are why I roleplay. The absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.

 

[Cassanova]

I did not imply I didn't spend money on research, manufacturing, or salaries. I was stating that I/we have made no major purchases, such as ordering a star destroyer(not that we could because of restrictions) or commissioning a facility to be built. As for our vision, there is a reason a faction supposedly dedicated to peace makes guns and has military forces, though I will not reveal my hand to you or anyone else until I'm ready. Our supposed goal is supposed to make you wonder, supposed to make you suspicious...to make you think. I have a vision, I'm just not going to share it with anyone outside my faction. I have been planning this faction, its goals, and its major storyline for months. Never accuse me of lacking vision. The absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.

Knickers out of the knot.
I also said "Keep up the good work".

 

[Wanderer]

Also, once everyone settles on Xanthus' real investment, along with all the confusion around his factions, leadership, etc. Just tell him to PM and we will flesh out the details.

Also not in knots :CStern was simply setting the record straight with perfect calm and nuetrality :CHappy

And thanks for the nod of approval.

 

[Wanderer]

Also while I have some big wigs here, do I need authorization once I have accepted a Indie Mission/Bounty to start a thread? Or can I just start it?

Also this ^^ because I'm a really interested in some of them, along with the roleplay opportunities and assets that could be acquired.

 

[Defiance]

The Legion was once up and running, and I've been looking for it's revival, better than ever.

And I've also been thinking of picking a fight with the mighty Retrade.

#mightyplottwist

 

[Xan]

- Initiative; Xan... Xan... Xan... 4 indie factions under a Sith. If you don't see the problem here, you need to get a backhand to the face, dude. If you've got time to run a network of indie factions (rather than just playing them and pitting them against one another), you're not doing your job as a member of the Sith Order. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sith higher ups took notice of your little 'empire' and decided to lop your head off.

Beyond that, I seriously believe that what your'e doing is unfair, not as in like taking candy from a baby, but you're not leaving any opportunity for others to step up and have new RP's. Create a story, not something to fluff your ego.

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Okay wow. Time out, slow down, and hold up. First of all, do not ever presume to speak to me on matters of ego. I'm not doing this for some sense of superiority. I'm doing it because I thought that it would be interesting and because I thought that the Initiative died before its time. Can I help it if I saw a way to make it become stronger (merging and alliances) and decided to take the chance? If you think that I've gone too far, then say so, but what you wrote was uncalled for, rude, and entirely asshole-ish. Damn man, where did all of that come from?

 

[Cassanova]

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Okay wow. Time out, slow down, and hold up. First of all, do not ever presume to speak to me on matters of ego. I'm not doing this for some sense of superiority. I'm doing it because I thought that it would be interesting and because I thought that the Initiative died before its time. Can I help it if I saw a way to make it become stronger (merging and alliances) and decided to take the chance? If you think that I've gone too far, then say so, but what you wrote was uncalled for, rude, and entirely asshole-ish. Damn man, where did all of that come from?

A deep dark place called the real world. I'm sorry if you were offended, I truly am. But a reality check is needed.
All these factions have become completely lost in the concept of making themselves stronger, or bigger.

They lack story.
Depth.
Vision.