Kashyyyk: Kepitenochan Landing Pad

[Raydo]

@TheSilentWind @CJ Solo

Going to go ahead throw this up as I have some an issue or two with your first post Silent. First, the scenario of the thread says a single patrol is close enough to the ship to investigate the ship as it arrives. This doesn't mean your character knows what landing pad the ship would arrive or much less, have time to find a sniping position before the ship landed. Second, is a pretty gross misuse of Force Sense/Sight. An acolyte just knowing the Jedi is a Padawan from reading a force signature from approx. 500 feet away and then is able to use Sight to see through the ship, once again at 500 feet. I find it doubtful a sniper scope could be use to amply sight through the force or that Force Sense works like how you intend to use it at all. These seem a bit much for a character of that skill level.

This was posted with CJ's permission after a discussion we had.

 

[TheSilentWind]

@TheSilentWind @CJ Solo

Going to go ahead throw this up as I have some an issue or two with your first post Silent. First, the scenario of the thread says a single patrol is close enough to the ship to investigate the ship as it arrives. This doesn't mean your character knows what landing pad the ship would arrive or much less, have time to find a sniping position before the ship landed. Second, is a pretty gross misuse of Force Sense/Sight. An acolyte just knowing the Jedi is a Padawan from reading a force signature from approx. 500 feet away and then is able to use Sight to see through the ship, once again at 500 feet. I find it doubtful a sniper scope could be use to amply sight through the force or that Force Sense works like how you intend to use it at all. These seem a bit much for a character of that skill level.

This was posted with CJ's permission after a discussion we had.

Zeb has been using force sight for at least 3-4 years. That allows him to have a pretty good grasp for a force user. I am going as far as to state that his control is that of an advanced Crusader, considering the fact that every day of his life, Zeb has used force sight since he is blind in his left eye. He also sees the benefits of it, and even in all of the threads he has participated in, Zeb has used force sight. Lasats also have superior sight, and my character is see. I also believe that I went on to clarify that the weather was clear.

I have read the scenario of the thread, and I know that it states that a single patrol is close enough to the ship to investigate it as it arrives. You did not specify that no one would not know where it is; you simply stated that a single patrol would be close enough to investigate the ship.I also stated that it was the only landing pad in this area(not that of the entire city). EDIT: I can't seem to find that proof for some reason. You can consider the last statement incorrect.

Also, SW Wookie states that force sight can see through most objects. It also states, from my understanding, that force sight could also see the auras, and from what I have seen, this seems to be true. Zeb also arrived before the landing.

In terms of sensing CJ's padawan, from my understanding, he is a trained force user. No one in the area is a Sith; this is further reinforced by the fact that we can't really use NPCS. Zeb has also used force sense, as force sight is a variation of it.

 

[Raydo]

You say he has had to use Force Sight from a handicap in his sight and then two sentences later say he has good sight. I am not saying he can't be skilled in Force Sight(Though using a skill for 3-4 years doesn't necessarily mean he had have near master level skills with it), but seeing through objects at that distance is ridiculous.

Also, Force sense (Or viewing auras with Force Sight) isn't like reading someone's power level in Dragon Ball Z. Could you sense a Force User? I would say yes, but your overstepping the reaches of the abilities you are using.

I am not trying to get into an argument here, and I can appreciate the need to create advantages, but I not cool with you cheesing force abilities to get that advantage. I know you are better than that.

 

[TheSilentWind]

You say he has had to use Force Sight from a handicap in his sight and then two sentences later say he has good sight. I am not saying he can't be skilled in Force Sight(Though using a skill for 3-4 years doesn't necessarily mean he had have near master level skills with it), but seeing through objects at that distance is ridiculous.

Also, Force sense (Or viewing auras with Force Sight) isn't like reading someone's power level in Dragon Ball Z. Could you sense a Force User? I would say yes, but your overstepping the reaches of the abilities you are using.

I am not trying to get into an argument here, and I can appreciate the need to create advantages, but I not cool with you cheesing force abilities to get that advantage. I know you are better than that.

The top images I've seen when I searched up force sight on google images show that characters can be used. I also reread my post at least three times, and I don't see any contradiction. Here is my post, and I would like to show you the places where I have stated "force sight", "sight", and "see"; I will put this words in bold.

Zeb Volter had been summoned to many places; from Dathomir, to Mygeeto, Coreilla, and now Kashyyk, Zeb had served the Imperium. That however did not mean that he had a lot of experience. He was still an Acolyte for a reason, but Zeb knew that he was well on his way to being a Crusader- a Crusader that was going to choose the warrior path.

Like numerous Imperium worlds, Kashyyk was also experiencing a Rebellion. Zeb knew that Kashyyk had symbolic meaning, mostly because the ancient Wookie warrior, Chewbacca, had once been a warrior, and a useful member in the Alliance to Restore the Republic. For some reason, some people thought that he was a Wookie, specifically the non-Wookies that were here, and had existed here for a small amount of time. This was not the first time he had encountered this, although he had to admit that it was probably a lesser amount of ignorance than most Lasats had faced over 1000 years ago when the Empire nearly exterminated them.

The Lasat had with him his armor, and all of the equipment that he had. The only difference was that he did not have his Class A Grenades, he had a Sil-50 sonic pistol instead of a Taskmaster pistol, and since he was the only person close enough to the Jedi that was going to arrive, he had earplugs. Zeb however had a Verpine Sniper Rifle, a popular variant of the Verpine Shatter Gun which had seen extensive usage in the galaxy. He had used the weapon for years, and he had to admit that he had gotten attached to it.

The Imperial command had told him they had been given a possible tip that a contraband was arriving on Kashyyk. With Kashyyk going through a Rebellion, Zeb logically figured that the goods were probably for the underground movement. The Lasat, knowing full well that the Galactic Rebellion had powerful members and allies needed to be prepared, and he needed to end the threat quickly. That was why he had a Verpine Sniper Rifle with him.

Zeb was in a comfortable sniping position, lying on the floor of the place(one of the wood buildings near the landing pad). He had set his sniper rifle on a bipod, in order to help with the recoil; additionally, the bipod's height could be extended, and it could be lowered. One of the reasons why he had decided not to go to the landing pad, and face the people in the ship head on was because he knew that he was outnumbered; furthermore, Zeb, while still an aggressive person was beginning to learn about patience, and he also knew that stealth was important, even though it wan't one of Zeb's preferred tactics. Even then, he was still trained at it, and Zeb had recently been using it more often.

As he waited for the ship to arrive, Zeb readied himself. He did not have his helmet, although it was right next to him. The place he was in that he was in was flat, and stable, and he had a particularly good view of the landing pad. As far as he was concerned, Zeb was ready.

Zeb was someone that wanted to use his environment to his advantage, and that was why he had picked this position. The sun was behind him, meaning that if his opponent looked up, he would have trouble seeing him; moreover, even if they knew you were up there, their was no chance of his lense revealing his position at all. The weather was also clear, allowing for a good position for sniping. Their were also no objects flying around, and when the ship landed, it would scare the wildlife, and any huge, and tall pet. The wind was also not blowing. The platform he was in was extremely safe, and sturdy, so study that a hurricane would have trouble pulling it down(depending on the level). His platform was also well hidden, but he could see it extremely well. In addition to that, if the Jedi decided to see Zeb from the ship's only viewpoint, the sun would block her.

The total distance separating him and the place where the ship was landing, was 150 meters. For someone that had been using the weapon for many years, and had used slugthrowers before he had joined the Order, 150 meters would be more than enough for him(the location of the ship is 150 meters according to his scope). He was also using a weapon that used magnets to fire the projectile, allowing it to fire the weapon at extreme speeds, which would be more than enough for than enough(at least in Zeb's opinion) for combating some force users. Fortunately, from the force singature of the Jedi, he figured that he was a Padawan, increasing his chances of the projectile actually hitting him. Zeb was also using a .50 caliber projectile. It was fast, and it packed a punch. One also had to consider the fact that even though he was using a scope, Lasats had superior sighting, at least to a human; therefore, his accuracy would be extremely high, considering his experience with this weapon, the fact that he was using a scope, and his frequent usage of it, even in the Sith Order.

As the ship landed, Zeb quickly sensed a Jedi in the ship. The Lasat(with his force sight activated) could directly see the entrance(which would also be the exit of the ship). Due to his force sight usage, he could through the ship, and he quickly determined the Jedi's position. Zeb readied himself, his verpine sniper rifle pointed directly at the entrance. He prepared himself to open fire at the Jedi. When the Jedi began to exit the ship(with a clear view of the Jedi) the Lasat would fire a projectile at the Jedi. It would be aimed directly at his chest. Zeb would then fire another projectile, aimed at his legs. He had some ammunition near him as well, so he could fire some more rounds. Thankfully, the ship did not have any laser turrets or mass drivers. Hopefully, the Lasat was ok.

From my understanding, I haven't contradicted myself. Please provide an example.

I'm not stating that Zeb is a master, but he is an advanced force sight user, and obviously, I'll believe that he has had enough training to be able to see at that distance, especially as someone who has had constant usage.

 

[Raydo]

Zeb has been using force sight for at least 3-4 years. That allows him to have a pretty good grasp for a force user. I am going as far as to state that his control is that of an advanced Crusader, considering the fact that every day of his life, Zeb has used force sight since he is blind in his left eye. He also sees the benefits of it, and even in all of the threads he has participated in, Zeb has used force sight. Lasats also have superior sight, and my character is see.

I was refereeing to your OOC post, sorry about that confusion. I have brought my concerns to the table. You know me, and you know I am not one to fight about such things. I am going to say it is pretty metagamey how you have set up your character set up, but I will allow CJ to decide if she wants to continue discussing it with you.

 

[TheSilentWind]

I was refereeing to your OOC post, sorry about that confusion. I have brought my concerns to the table. You know me, and you know I am not one to fight about such things. I am going to say it is pretty metagamey how you have set up your character set up, but I will allow CJ to decide if she wants to continue discussing it with you.

Oh, okay. If your talking about the first paragraph, I meant that he would have good sight since he has used force sight a lot, and he is using the force to aid in him seeing.

EDIT: Has this post been reported to any admin? @Raydo @CJ Solo

 

[CJ Solo]

I would note that a sniper scope enhances physical eyesight, no component has the capability to enhance a force power.

Adding in other resources for gameplay that use Force Sight, it is for more immediate surroundings where 500 meters is roughly equivalent to a third of a mile.

Most prominently, I'd like to note that you are declaring the action and position of my character (in this instance her entrance onto the battlefield and the manner of her entrance) on the only basis that you posted first.

Now, I'm fairly new to these types of threads, but I do believe the declaration of an opponents actions is against the spirit of the rules for these types of threads. I'd be appreciative if you could adjust that, please.

 

[TheSilentWind]

I would note that a sniper scope enhances physical eyesight, no component has the capability to enhance a force power.

Adding in other resources for gameplay that use Force Sight, it is for more immediate surroundings where 500 meters is roughly equivalent to a third of a mile.

Most prominently, I'd like to note that you are declaring the action and position of my character (in this instance her entrance onto the battlefield and the manner of her entrance) on the only basis that you posted first.

Now, I'm fairly new to these types of threads, but I do believe the declaration of an opponents actions is against the spirit of the rules for these types of threads. I'd be appreciative if you could adjust that, please.

Three images on force sight show that you can maintain physical eyesight, while still also using force sight. In fact, most of the images, albeit, some better than others show that you can maintain force sight while also maintaining your physical eyesight.


From what I have read in my post, I stated that the ship was arriving, per the scenario that was posted in the OP. Also, from what I've seen about SW ships, the entrance is also usually the place where they exit. I will admit though that technology has never been my forte. Please show where I am stating how your character arrives?

EDIT: If this is causing so much controversy, I'm willing to reduce the distance significantly.

 

[CJ Solo]

No need to be cute about it. It seems we have different interpretations of the setting up of the scenario. I'm as much about this as a good story as I am a good duel and the time we spend debating things is precious time we could be making posts.

I'll run with this for now.

 

[TheSilentWind]

No need to be cute about it. It seems we have different interpretations of the setting up of the scenario. I'm as much about this as a good story as I am a good duel and the time we spend debating things is precious time we could be making posts.

I'll run with this for now.

I don't really know how I was being "cute about it", but okay.

 

[Richie B.]

@TheSilentWind Hey man sorry to do this to you but I was reading your post, your guy did get his leg chopped off right? If so I think you need to rethink how powerful a force push is going to be if he is a acolyte. Again not trying to pick a fight but, it seems a bit much to ask for a acolyte to be able to throw a force push at least a strong one at anyone if they just lost a limb.

 

[TheSilentWind]

@TheSilentWind Hey man sorry to do this to you but I was reading your post, your guy did get his leg chopped off right? If so I think you need to rethink how powerful a force push is going to be if he is a acolyte. Again not trying to pick a fight but, it seems a bit much to ask for a acolyte to be able to throw a force push at least a strong one at anyone if they just lost a limb.

The force push is aimed at separating him from Saara. I also believe I stated that it was unrefined iirc. I've also seen people who are of an Acolyte skill level do the same thing; on one occasion, I was in that thread. Besides, this is Zeb's last force attack, since he is using the remainder of his force reserves to keep him alive, as well as use force sight.

I'd also like to keep the OOC comments between the thread participants.