Outbound Flight OOC

[Loco]

I'm preemptively making this OOC thread in order to host what is sure to be a very spirited, but also friendly and civil discussion about the events in the thread "Outbound Flight". As I'm sure the participants have seen, this is an ambush and a great (but secret) betrayal.

The threads Bardan Kex and I completed in preparation for this turn of events are as follows, in case anyone was wondering:

The time Kex and Arya got together to plot.

The time we bought empion mines.

The time Kex met Prudii and Prudii made a mine field.

@Prudii Kyramud @Outlander @Bardan Kex


I still love you bruh. It's for the Watch.

 

[Prudence]

I love you too Outlander. But IC > OOC. Prudii would've taken this up in a heartbeat IC.

 

[Outlander]

I'd argue that it would be very difficult to predict where my ships would come out.

 

[Prudence]

I'd argue that it would be very difficult to predict where my ships would come out.

It's a hyperspace route man. All he'd have to do is know where you were starting from, plot the course, and he'd have the general area where you were coming out.

 

[Loco]

Actually, just where you're destination was. That's why I selected a hard to get to site. You just set the mines a bit outside the expected entry point, since there's only so many vectors into a such a remote section of space.

 

[Outlander]

It's a hyperspace route man. All he'd have to do is know where you were starting from, plot the course, and he'd have the general area where you were coming out.

That's... not really how that works. You're talking about a huge area in three dimensional space, and you have a small amount of mines to cover a huge area. I just things it's implausible.

 

[Prudence]

Actually, just where you're destination was. That's why I selected a hard to get to site. You just set the mines a bit outside the expected entry point, since there's only so many vectors into a such a remote section of space.

^

 

[Outlander]

Did you establish that it was hard to reach anywhere? I didn't see it, but I might have missed it.

I'd also like to state, for the record, that I was brought into the thread with the OOC assumption we'd be negotiating for use of a shipyard. While I don't believe this is breaking the rules, I did want to offer that in case this comes to an admin ruling.

 

[Prudence]

Did you establish that it was hard to reach anywhere? I didn't see it, but I might have missed it.

I'd also like to state, for the record, that I was brought into the thread with the OOC assumption we'd be negotiating for use of a shipyard. While I don't believe this is breaking the rules, I did want to offer that in case this comes to an admin ruling.

I was brought into old competitors meet with the assumption that we'd be negotiating a corporate partnership and lost my whole damn faction as a result. Shit happens man.

 

[Outlander]

I won't be posting until an admin rules, as I feel the circumstances surrounding this force me into a combat situation when the trap itself hinges entirely on where I come out of hyperspace. If Loco or Prudii would like, they can change the post or delete it.

@Green Ranger @Clayton

 

[Loco]

Also for the record, I created this thread with no OOC conditions established, nor was I asked for any. ICly, Outlander is very much correct that negotiations over shipyard rights were the intended activity. Hence it's an ambush.

 

[Prudence]

Also for the record, I created this thread with no OOC conditions established, nor was I asked for any. ICly, Outlander is very much correct that negotiations over shipyard rights were the intended activity. Hence it's an ambush.

Again, I was brought into Old Competitors with 0 OOC conditions and the IC intention that I would be negotiating a business deal. It resulted in a PK and the residual loss of my faction.

 

[Outlander]

 

[Korvo]

I don't mean to butt in, but I'd been researching this recently. To a degree, it actually can be predicted where a ship will exit hyperspace. Hyperspace routes and lanes were like the roads and highways of space. Coordinates dictated the general location of where a ship would enter or leave a gravity well.

Hyperspace routes also determined the angle at which an attacking fleet might invade a planetary system, and a defender's options for retreat: the Battle of Hoth was a costly battle for the Rebel Alliance because the Hoth system was located on the decaying Ison Corridor, which was difficult to navigate Rimward and had only two exits, making it easy for the Empire to trap the Rebels in-system, and 17 of 30 evacuating transports were lost to the Imperial blockade.[88][89]

So to at least some extent, it could most likely be predicted where a ship would arrive and leave, provided one knew where they were coming from on the hyperlane.

 

[Outlander]

But, then again, the Underground is spread across four facilities, with at least some if not all of them being unknown to the Confederacy. So you'd have to predict where we would drop out from four possible locations, which is not how the mines where laid out.

 

[Korvo]

But, then again, the Underground is spread across four facilities, with at least some if not all of them being unknown to the Confederacy. So you'd have to predict where we would drop out from four possible locations, which is not how the mines where laid out.

Ah gotcha. FTR, I have no idea what's going on, I just saw the new OOC thread and started reading.

EDIT: Holy crap, it's getting ugly in here. I'm out

 

[Loco]

Since that's just one small snip of a very aggressive exchange on your part, in addition to a lot of exchanges we've had recently, I'll add that I've also told you that OOC taht Kex and I's original plan called for us ambushing you on a joint mission we staged, which would have resulted in this same thread more or less. Regardless, I specifically mentioned our IC problem. This is also one of our IC problems. Again, if anyone had asked what Kex and I were planning, whether in that conversation or in regards to any of our prep threads,

Again, this is a story driven move with far reaching IC plans ind consequences involved. I'd really like to not to make it an OOC issue.

 

[Outlander]

Outlander there is no reason for this to become an OOC issue, except for this:

Not sure how exactly that's relevant. I am justifiably upset over an OOC betrayal by someone I considered a friend. It doesn't have a bearing on the thread.

 

[Prudence]

Not sure how exactly that's relevant. I am justifiably upset over an OOC betrayal by someone I considered a friend. It doesn't have a bearing on the thread.

Just saying. We're trying to be polite here, and make this not an OOC issue. You're the one being hostile and aggressive man. :/

What's happening here isn't something that hasn't happened before to me. And we have buckets and buckets of IC motivation.

 

[Outlander]

Since that's just one small snip of a very aggressive exchange on your part, in addition to a lot of exchanges we've had recently, I'll add that I've also told you that OOC taht Kex and I's original plan called for us ambushing you on a joint mission we staged, which would have resulted in this same thread more or less. Regardless, I specifically mentioned our IC problem. This is also one of our IC problems. Again, if anyone had asked what Kex and I were planning, whether in that conversation or in regards to any of our prep threads,

Again, this is a story driven move with far reaching IC plans ind consequences involved. I'd really like to not to make it an OOC issue.

I feel it is an OOC issue though. Yes, the exchange was aggressive on my part. However, that does not change that I was mislead in the events for the thread in order to have me join it. I don't see your point in regards to the joint mission, as doing that would likely have involved the same shady OOC tactics.