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[Faded]

I just find it kind of dubious that you somehow got hit by a concussion grenade, then shot at by someone and didn't take a single hit. I get the shove making the shots go wild, but could you at least take a non-debiliating shot to the leg or something?

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@christhebarker

 

[Faded]

@vamp @christhebarker @Gian Greydragon @Denzein

Vamp, can we get a clarification on positioning. The doors breaking and everything has led to confusion. Where is Wes' position in relation to the others. Zarya is in the room as Niish was looking at her and she gave the surrender speech, both posts weren't contested by either side.

 

[vamp]

this is, more or less how i imagine it. the areas outlined by black have various pieces of furniture. Behind you guys are chairs and a desk, and behind that is the governor.

Grey is Gian
Red is Faded
Orange is Denzein
Pink is chris
Purple is me

 

[Faded]

So a few things.


Denzein is standing in front to protect his comrades. Arianna is between both Harren and Niish.

Chris said he walked out of cover to give the surrender speech. And secondly, Niish mentioned that he had the red target in his line of sight, a statement that was not contested and locked in with your post.

So I think while Wes can be near the door, I believe Zarya would have to be further inward given the circumstances.

@christhebarker @Denzein @Gian Greydragon

 

[vamp]

So a few things.


Denzein is standing in front to protect his comrades. Arianna is between both Harren and Niish.

Chris said he walked out of cover to give the surrender speech. And secondly, Niish mentioned that he had the red target in his line of sight, a statement that was not contested and locked in with your post.

So I think while Wes can be near the door, I believe Zarya would have to be further inward given the circumstances.

@christhebarker @Denzein @Gian Greydragon

That sounds about right, except the red target—I'm not sure what it refers to

 

[Faded]

That sounds about right, except the red target—I'm not sure what it refers to

lol, I thought you said the red target was me?

 

[christhebetrayer]

hey @Gian Greydragon, the concussion grenade would take longer than a few seconds to wear off, to quote the rules

Disorientation is total for the first posting round, and steadily improves back to normal by the 3rd round.

so for this round, he's completely still under the effects

 

[Gian Greydragon]

He is still completely understand the effects. He's just trying to focus his sight on something.

 

[christhebetrayer]

He is still completely understand the effects. He's just trying to focus his sight on something.

oh okay it just didn't seem like that from me reading it

 

[christhebetrayer]

@Faded Truth I don't find your defence adequate, deflecting bolts likely at the edge of the reach of your blade at a target a meter away or even at target moving at high speed in which he would have to the lead the deflected shots seems unlikely, and by time blaster bolts get there and he began to deflected them she would be already on top of him slashing.

also how new armour rules works is that armour can take many shots without failing as long those shots don't hit within close proximity of each over, of course, medium bolts bleed through armour.

 

[Faded]

@Faded Truth I don't find your defence adequate, deflecting bolts likely at the edge of the reach of your blade at a target a meter away or even at target moving at high speed in which he would have to the lead the deflected shots seems unlikely, and by time blaster bolts get there and he began to deflected them she would be already on top of him slashing.

also how new armour rules works is that armour can take many shots without failing as long those shots don't hit within close proximity of each over, of course, medium bolts bleed through armour.

I think you got me confused with Harren? I didnt really do a defense, I just said that Harren deflected the bolts on my behalf and then I moved into a different position.

 

[Denzein]

@christhebarker unfortunately Harren was specifically worded in previous posts to be standing in front and centre, on full defence and ready to protect his allies, and so therefore would be within reach to block blaster fire. Your own post describes zarya's charge as taking over a second - and mine clearly sets out the time line that results of what you wrote: Those blaster bolts arrive long before zarya does (they're much faster than "just over a second") and by the time they're deflected back at her she's going to be too close to do anything about them.

It does not take over a second for a pair of blaster rounds to travel a matter of a few metres, I'm afraid the defence of Arianna stands. Your armour is also light, and has taken a light hit to the chest. A further two medium shots are enough to take Zarya out of this fight, meaning she has no available defence to getting bisected a moment later as her momentum drives her onto Harren's sword.

Unfortunately all I've done in my post is point out the many consequences that are derive from your teams actions. As far as I'm concerned my post stands.

 

[christhebetrayer]

I think you got me confused with Harren? I didnt really do a defense, I just said that Harren deflected the bolts on my behalf and then I moved into a different position.

oh shit yeah I meant to put @Denzein sorry about that

 

[christhebetrayer]

@christhebarker unfortunately Harren was specifically worded in previous posts to be standing in front and centre, on full defence and ready to protect his allies, and so therefore would be within reach to block blaster fire. Your own post describes zarya's charge as taking over a second - and mine clearly sets out the time line that results of what you wrote: Those blaster bolts arrive long before zarya does (they're much faster than "just over a second") and by the time they're deflected back at her she's going to be too close to do anything about them.

It does not take over a second for a pair of blaster rounds to travel a matter of a few metres, I'm afraid the defence of Arianna stands. Your armour is also light, and has taken a light hit to the chest. A further two medium shots are enough to take Zarya out of this fight, meaning she has no available defence to getting bisected a moment later as her momentum drives her onto Harren's sword.

Unfortunately, all I've done in my post is point out the many consequences that are derived from your team's actions. As far as I'm concerned my post stands.

I'm just going to do my post if you disagree with anything you can report it because it will likely be about things already said above and I'm going to stand my ground.

 

[Denzein]

I'm just going to do my post if you disagree with anything you can report it because it will likely be about things already said above

No worries! Just be aware that by posting without reporting my post if you have an issue you lock it in as having been accepted by you.

 

[christhebetrayer]

okay @Denzein , I've just reread your post I noticed you put the bolts deflects just fraction of a moment before she strikes this is not possible because the first bolt would arrive at his lightsaber around 0.45 mark and the 0.7 if you are standing 15 meters away, which I think is a reasonable estimate of the distance between us and you.

 

[Denzein]

@christhebarker honestly I think you might be splitting hairs there regarding the definition of "a fraction of a moment", which really just means a very, very short amount of time. I'm not sure we have defined projectile speeds for blaster bolts, I just know they're faster than zarya is travelling in your post.

I also know that if she's mid charge, saber not in the position to block, and she's force speeding towards harren, in the space of just over a second, she doesn't have time to halt her momentum or change her blades trajectory or otherwise throw herself out of the way if the situation changes at the last moment. We're good at level one, think anything obiwan kenobi can do in episode one/two (deflecting blaster fire is therefore fine), but we're not matrix dodge point blank blaster shots good.

 

[Denzein]

@christhebarker @vamp @Faded Truth @Gian Greydragon

As per chris' request I have reported his last post. My main issue being the fact that when faced with point blank blaster fire she can't dodge or block, Chris decides it magically misses.

 

[vamp]

I'm not sure we have defined projectile speeds for blaster bolts

We do! Blaster bolts travel at about 34 m/s iirc

 

[Denzein]

This is the last I'll put in here before an admin renders judgement as I'm not about piling it on, but the levels write up is very clear. Harren's not attempting anything that is out of the reach of a level one, nothing in my post requires much exertion it's two very basic moves that are only lethal thanks to the uncoordinated efforts of his two opponents.

Thanks @vamp for providing the projectile speeds, I'm happy that's a thing - but thinking about it there's another issue. If the blaster bolt is moving at 34m/s, for the sake of argument, then that's the speed of projectile harren is dealing with, being stationary. Once it deflects at Zarya, the speed of that projectile relative to her is much quicker because she's moving towards the bolt at force speed. If we, again for the sake of argument, take @christhebarker 's estimation that there's 15 metres between us when he starts his charge, and it takes him "just over a second", he's moving at approximately 13-14m/s. The bolt therefore is coming at Zarya at 47-48m/s, once you factor in her own velocity.

This, coupled with the fact that she'll have gotten closer in that time and is committed to a charging attack with an unattuned lightsaber raised and not in a blocking position, tells me all I need to know about the scenario. I can see why Chris opted to just write that they miss - there's no way he can dodge or block in the situation Zarya's in. Unfortunately, it's point blank blaster fire. Missing isn't really an option considering said deflections are entirely within the capabilities of a level one.

Respectfully to everyone in this thread, because I'm very conscious that negative OOCs get their bonus credits taken away, I'm going to leave my argument there. Nothing but good vibes to everyone here, let's see how the admins rule!