Texas law superceeds UN law

[Random Hero]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14041953

Good.

 

[Venom]

I hate Texas, a lot, and I can definitely see this causing problems. At the same time though, I cant really say that Im bothered by what the guy's consequences were.

 

[Gringhost]

Texas!

 

[Brand]

Good.

 

[Horizon]

Excellent.

 

[Raider]

I favor this outcome.

 

[Sovereign]

the death penalty is idiotic. the title of this thread makes no sense by the way

 

[Brandon Rhea]

the death penalty is idiotic. the title of this thread makes no sense by the way

Per this.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.

 

[Horizon]

It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.

wat.

 

[Raider]

It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.

I will support "RandomCrapistan's" sovereign right to put to death an American and any other foreign national who rapes and murders one of its citizens on their own soil.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

wat.

What goes around comes around.

Read the article. Texas denied a Mexican citizen access to consular officials that could have assisted him. The federal government's argument was that such violated the Vienna Conventions.

Note that this was a simple problem with a simple fix--let him speak to the kriffin' consulate.

SCOTUS basically said "we don't care." You all are cheering that decision. I'm pointing out that when an American gets arrested in some other random third-world country with a crappy court system, that government can then proceed to lock up the American whist denying the American consular assistance, all the while claiming "America does this exact same thing, so why should we care about an American's purported rights?" What goes around comes around.

And I'd bet that most of those that believe this is the correct outcome would be up in arms that ZOMG IT HAPPENED TO AN AMERICAN!!11!!

 

[Brand]

I will support "RandomCrapistan's" sovereign right to put to death an American and any other foreign national who rapes and murders one of its citizens on their own soil.

Exactly.

 

[Raider]

What goes around comes around.

Read the article. Texas denied a Mexican citizen access to consular officials that could have assisted him. The federal government's argument was that such violated the Vienna Conventions.

Note that this was a simple problem with a simple fix--let him speak to the kriffin' consulate.

SCOTUS basically said "we don't care." You all are cheering that decision. I'm pointing out that when an American gets arrested in some other random third-world country with a crappy court system, that government can then proceed to lock up the American whist denying the American consular assistance, all the while claiming "America does this exact same thing, so why should we care about an American's purported rights?" What goes around comes around.

And I'd bet that most of those that believe this is the correct outcome would be up in arms that ZOMG IT HAPPENED TO AN AMERICAN!!11!!

Congress has not ratified the Vienna Convention treaty. The US and the states are not bound to follow it.

 

[Samara]

It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.

This

 

[Raider]

This

Once again I will say it. The US has signed, but the Congress has not ratified this treaty. We are not bound be any legal right to enforce it.

 

[Random Hero]

Do you think that the men that killed Brian Terry and many other Americans will ever be bought to justice in Mexico?

Seriously doubt it.

I don't care if he was American, Mexican, French, Russia, Mongolian, Pakistani, etc, etc, etc.

He got what he deserved.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Wow, unexpected consistency is unexpected.:CHappy

And yes, technically the US never got around to actually ratifying Vienna. Weaseling through those technicalities has some potentially nasty consequences, though.

Would it really have been that difficult to allow this guy a phone call to the Mexican Consulate?

Is denying a simple communication worth the loss of international good-will and giving dictatorship countries political cover to do the same exact thing to Americans that happen to be on their soil?

I'm inclined to believe the balance of consequences leans towards letting the guy make the phone call (and note: he still probably would have been convicted without all this fuss to boot).

 

[Samara]

Stuff

RandomCrapistan: "Yousa killed ****encia, Yousa will go to jail"
Raider: "No, I didn't" (You didn't)
Raider: "I demand access to consular officials"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "No"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "Youse'yer ye did it hurr hurr"

Court finds Raider guilty, Raider is imprisioned.

Raider: "I demand access to consular officials, you can't do this!"

*Nobody cares, Raider spends 30 years dying in a crappy jail until he passes out*

Everyone: Yes, excellent, perfect!

 

[Brand]

RandomCrapistan: "Yousa killed ****encia, Yousa will go to jail"
Raider: "No, I didn't" (You didn't)
Raider: "I demand access to consular officials"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "No"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "Youse'yer ye did it hurr hurr"

Court finds Raider guilty, Raider is imprisioned.

Raider: "I demand access to consular officials, you can't do this!"

*Nobody cares, Raider spends 30 years dying in a crappy jail until he passes out*

Everyone: Yes, excellent, perfect!

If Raider raped and killed a 16 year old girl of RandomCrapistan I think he deserves to have the death penalty inflicted upon him or spend a lifetime in jail.

"If you commit the most heinous of crimes in Texas, you can expect to face the ultimate penalty under our laws, as in this case," Texas spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said.