The Order of Zenkai

[Jax Vos]

Dude...chill. Approval takes time. Let them contact you and if it takes more than a week contact someone. Plus Lavi is no longer an admin so currently they need to appoint someone to take over (likely it will be Boli but I don't know).

 

[TheSilentWind]

Dude...chill. Approval takes time. Let them contact you and if it takes more than a week contact someone. Plus Lavi is no longer an admin so currently they need to appoint someone to take over (likely it will be Boli but I don't know).

This post right here. It will take longer than usual due to the fact that Lavi is gone. Let us also not forget that Boli also has to go through tech admissions as well, so he has a lot of stuff on his plate.

 

[The Ghost]

Please don't tell me to "Chill". The point of the post was for comedy as well as letting someone that the premise is ready, as I think it's been well over a week. And if Boli's taking over so many points, then perhaps they need to appoint a few new administators. Problem solved.

Point of Edit. If you don't understand the point behind my posts, then please don't comment as if you do. Much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[TheSilentWind]

Please don't tell me to "Chill". The point of the post was for comedy as well as letting someone that the premise is ready, as I think it's been well over a week. And if Boli's taking over so many points, then perhaps they need to appoint a few new administators. Problem solved.

Your comedic post seems to be only funny to you. Furthermore, you being rude to Jax is unneeded, as he is only attempting to help you. Appointing an admin isn't just as easy as you seem to think. They needs to be an application process, which Bac stated would be happening soon,.

 

[Green Ranger]

We're still sussing things out. While we had advance notice of Lavi's resignation, it admittedly did catch us somewhat flat-footed. And yeah, between exams, and the tech board, indie factions are low on my list of priorities and it'll probably be handed over to someone else rather than me having something else to be responsible for.

So! You can be patient and not rude, or I can just, y'know, shut the whole thing down. Your choice. :)

 

[The Ghost]

Well. The whole thing about that is, I wasn't being rude. He made an assumption and I corrected him. And considering the fact that I was using Ye Olde English, I would have figured that the point of not being serious would have been implicated with the words used. If something wasn't understood, then it would be safer to ask a question rather than make an assumption on someone's meaning behind something.

And as far as the point of administration goes, dude's not the only one. As I understand it, he took on the tech submissions of his own volition. If they heap the factions on him, yeah I can see how that might be a lot. But like I said, there are other administators. I don't know, or rather at the time, didn't know whom had domain over such a thing, and as I stated prior, the post was just a reminder that I'm still waiting. It wasn't anything harmful or rude.

So all in all, I'm not the one being rude. All I did was correct someone and ask that they not assume my intent behind something.

Point of Edit. If anyone had bothered to look the thread over, they'd have seen that this was the first time I've even made a post to say "Hey the team's over here". One post and it's assumed I'm being hasty and rude, and get threatened because of it. Kinda sounds like hypocrisy.

 

[Lucid]

Regardless of what you perceive as rude in intent or not, the way your posts, especially #26, read is: "I expect things. You don't give things I want. I complain." I suggest you reread your posts and think of different ways to ask the same question.

I'll give you examples:

"Hey, just a quick question. Since Lavi retired, who's handling faction stuff?"

Asking like that allows someone to come in and say "We're working on it, but while there are a lot of admins, some don't have experience with Indie Factions or simply do not have the time at the moment. We will get to your submission, it will likely just take somewhat longer than normal." And the issue is addressed and solved.

My biggest issue is that you're treating this like we operate a paid service here, where we're employed to run this website and are held to rigid expectations for prompt reply/review. While we do our utter best to reply to and review submissions and questions, it doesn't work that way. The administration team is all voluntary and because of that, while we (the administration) are dedicated to this website, we will not prioritize our duties here over those of our jobs, families or any other obligation. The only exception to that rule is in the case of Hassan (who is not an RP administrator) and myself, where if the site goes down, or the database freaks out, we will work for as long as it takes to make sure it's back up as quickly as possible. The game cannot function without a website to host it. It can, however, function with a delay on Independent Faction review and approval.

I apologize for the delay and any stress/frustration that the week without reply has caused you. An administrator will be by to review your faction and make sure it is suitable within the next few days.

 

[The Ghost]

I ask you to excuse the late response. A friend of mine recently passed away. Otherwise I'd have gotten back to you sooner.

But I've been an administrator before on a Naruto and Diablo forum. I understand that it's voluntary. I don't see you guys as paid staff either. The post that brought about all of the bickering and negative attention from SilentWind and his associate wasn't a point to offend anyone. As I explained, it was just a point to grab attention. I wasn't looking for an immediate response.

That much aside, my point does stand that there are multiple administrators. That's not a point to try and offend, I'm just stating a fact. As I said, I didn't know who was presiding over the factions, I was just trying to grab attention, when someone felt my post was somehow offensive.

I'll circle back to my stating that I don't see you as paid associates, but a personal flaw of mine is I do expect efficiency. One person brought up the fact that they have finals. I understand that, but I can guarantee that almost none of you are as busy as I am. I'm a husband, father of six, striking instructor at an MMA gym, and a fighter myself. Which means outside of training others I personally need to train. And in spite of all that, I could still go through and respond to at least one submission a day. It's not a point of "I ask, you give" so much as "If I can get it done, why can't you?"

But as I said, that's a character flaw on my part. Outside of my choice to fight for a living, I was also in the military. Grade E1, private first class, stationed at Fort Dix. So efficiency is kind of a thing with me. I'll do my best to tone that down as much as I can.

And thank you for having someone look things over. It's much appreciated.

 

[Chairdor]

You must be great at parties

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I could still go through and respond to at least one submission a day. It's not a point of "I ask, you give" so much as "If I can get it done, why can't you?"

Because at the end of the day this is a fan fiction site and hobby. The site only requires you to post once a week without repercussions. That's great you manage to find time to post on here often, but people who are involved in the site use the RP for different reasons. I personally over the ten years being here went from wanting to RP Star Wars, to using the site to improve my language skills, and then ultimately to work on my creative writing abilities.

So yeah, great for you if what you said is true, but really this site doesn't demand that sort of attention both by nature or by rules.

 

[Lucid]

Johnny, Duke. Stop.

I will be conducting my review shortly.

 

[Lucid]

It's wonderful to hear of your busy life out side of the website! With all that going on and six children, I'm surprised you have any time to write at all! Perhaps that would explain the apparent lack of proofreading. I do apologize for perhaps touching a nerve, when I claimed that we have other responsibilities, I was at fault there. Efficiency is a wonderful thing to expect and just was rewarding to deliver, however there are times where that cannot be done. It might have escaped your notice, but the unapproved factions board is a good deal less cluttered than it was when your write up was posted.

I might add, that prior to posting today that you have been inactive for about a week and a half, your reasons aside, it is as though no time has passed at all! In that mind, I will review your faction right now. A note, before I do so: Though we have multiple admins, we each have specific jobs and responsibilities. The independent factions administration as well as the in game technical administration has suffered a massive blow recently, with the resignation of two of our longest standing administrators, Lavi and Jiang respectively. In light of that, I have been helping Green Ranger out with faction approvals to help cover some of the work load.

TO THE REVIEW:

In your first sentence, you note that the faction that you have submitted is an unlikely coupling of Jedi and Matukai traditions (ideology?) then leave that more or less unexplained. As I moved further on through the write up, I had an increasingly difficult time discerning what exactly gives purpose to this faction. What core concept, thought, myth, belief or idea gives the Order the allure and ability to rally so many to its cause.

I think your intent with the first section of the write up (before the force powers list) was to tell the story of the faction, but I fear that your intent may have been lost somewhat. I was able to identify a couple points which I think factor into the overall ethos of the faction (the Lady of Mercy and Lady of Malice, particularly), however, due to the disjointed structure of the story and jarring prose, it was difficult to extract anything certain. You mentioned as well that:

"The small group of force sensitive beings lent what power they could to the rebellion. After the fall of the Empire, the three went back to Naboo and continued to openly teach their ways to others. This was the true beginning of the Zenkai Order."

Is this meant to suggest that they are a rebellious Force sect operating independently? Like I said, there was a distinct lack of clarity in the writing, be it from partially formed thoughts and concepts or simply a mistake in execution. That noted, I would like you to reread the first section and rewrite it so that your faction's intent and beliefs are more clearly outlined within the story you told. Once that is done, I will review the Force Powers and section below, both of which are difficult to review since it's difficult to judge if their operations are actually in line with what the faction is meant to do.

 

[The Ghost]

To answer those questions, the point of helping the rebellion was during the point of movies ,4-6. The ideology is largely Matukai, which I'm pretty sure I conferred during the story. That's at the point of the Order really coming into being. With its restructuring as something resembling a full on merc group, the allure of money is present, also with its efforts to generally help people whom might not be able to help themselves, which are both presented in the write up. The merc point is so it can operate independently which I felt was pretty much self explanatory.

That much aside, I find the comment about proofreading to be very rude. Unlike most, I can actually prove I have stated activities going on. And admittedly sometimes I lose my train of thought because of other things. But I have yet to be openly rude to anyone.

 

[Lucid]

Then that should be made clear in the write up.

Once it's rewritten as requested I will review it again.

 

[Stalker]

Don't know what all this extra stuff is, but I have a bit more free time. I can hang a bit more, and devote more time to the team.

 

[The Ghost]

Okay. I'll add you in a bit.

But yeah. Everything is stated clearly. Ideology falls on the part where it's explained that after the coupling, the teachings remain largely Matukai based until Malice kills Mercy and the other initial teacher becomes the first Black Spirit. After the battles between Black Spirit and Malice ends, he incorporates the use of the Dark Side, not as a point to gain power, but the expression of all emotion. Not denying one's self on any level. That also completely differentiates it from the Matukai, as they don't embrace the Dark Side.

The allure comes from whatever you may want to get out of the group. Whether you want to help people for the sake of helping people, helping people and wanting to get a check, or just a merc looking for work.

As far as independence, it clearly states that they have their own temple and sustain themselves by private contracting via bounty hunting, taking on certain merc contracts as well as Security Enforcement jobs. On top of appoint of selling farm food goods.


All are clearly stated. And after looking over the rules, nothing states that I even need any of that. It's just something to attract others. It states I need three members. I have six now.

 

[Lucid]

Regardless, I fail to see how this faction is of any use in the RP. The intent is murky, you clearly have no intention to edit your write up to fit with an admin ruling and have been obstinate every step of the way. Since you went to great lengths to make sure I understood that you appreciate the benefits of efficiency, I'm not going to drag this out.

Denied and archived.

If you wish to resubmit, please do so after making the changes I requested.