Training rule reminder

[Brandon Rhea]

Hey guys, I just wanted to make sure we're all clear on what the rule is for bypassing training in the Jedi and the Dark Jedi. This was brought up because I was reading this comment from Keinushi on Lucid's visitor message wall (cuz I'm a creeper):

aren't you an admin now? your designing the skin. If you've already made a jedi, you can get admin approval to bypass training. I would have to rp at least 20 pages with you. That would include an 8 page side mission. But I that is the minimum I could do and still obey the rules, you want to break the rules? talk to Bac. he can aprove you to bypass training, it only really for noobs and for those who genuinely want to go through training anyways.

We don't approve anyone for training in a faction unless they've already gone through training in the faction. I'm not sure if that's what Keinushi thought or not, but I wanted to make sure that was clear. This is basically a sample as to how the conversation should go if someone asks you if they can bypass training:

PERSON: Hey, I'd like to start off as a [Knight/Master/Crusader/Dark Master]. Can I do that?
YOU: Have you gone through training in the [Jedi/Dark Jedi] before?

(if yes)
PERSON: Yes.
YOU: Sure. You can be a [insert rank you want to give them here if you're a faction leader].

(if no)
PERSON: Nope.
YOU: Sorry, but you won't be able to skip it. Anyone who hasn't been in the faction before, regardless of who they are, has to go through training. That includes admins, mods, former staff, supporters, and everyone else.
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That's basically it. No big deal, but I just wanted to remind you guys.

I'll put up some sort of thread somewhere to clarify this.

I've also posted this in the admin board.

 

[Lucid]

I know i'm not game staff however i do have two padawans of my own. 200 posts of training is really quite a lot. I think we'd see a lot more completed trainings if the requirements were lowered to like 50 posts and a mission (to a minimum of 90 posts) + one solo collab/mission thing.

 

[Santoro]

I fully agree with the training requirement being too high. I know we've got quality control on these sites, but quality and jumping through hoops are two different things.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That's not our rule. Faction leaders are free to set their own guidelines. That's something that should be brought to Rev or, since he's been absent as of late (which he said he would be, so it's cool), Ruukil and/or Matt and/or the Jedi Council.

 

[Ru the Boatswain]

What are the problems with training?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

200 posts or whatever of training is booooooring and people struggle to hit that number. Training should really be missions based rather than treated as beginner training. The way Lucid phrased it yesterday, which is a good way of saying it that I'd never thought of before, was that training should be done as like a series of Jedi Trials, which would be the missions.

Training is meant to develop RP skill anyway more than character skill, so we can assume that they already know the Jedi Code and how to push rocks.

 

[Ru the Boatswain]

I never actually made people reach it. I was just setting the bar up there so they'd reach for it. It worked out pretty well for those who got through it and in hindsight they were pretty ok with it. If it gets lowered...yurp.

 

[Jiang Winters]

I know I initially hated the 200 posts thing, but after training a couple people with it, it was actually a lot of fun. If you get creative and actually get your padawan out in the field and have them meeting other people -even NPC's- and running short mini-missions, then a 200 post thread can be awesome.

 

[Ru the Boatswain]

Unfortunately people don't see being a padawan or master a charge worthy of actual time.

 

[Jiang Winters]

Unfortunately people don't see being a padawan or master a charge worthy of actual time.

loserfaces :CFuu

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I get that you never held people to it, but people still think they need to reach it. People are also tired of the training concept, so we need to start fresh.

 

[Cailst]

Perhaps lowering the bar to one mission and maybe 50 posts might encourage people to go through training more often? Especially now when people are likely to also be busy with school and other stuff.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That's way too minimal. The less training thread and the more missions the better.

 

[Lucid]

Have them follow their master around on whatever they do for like two weeks or something.

 

[Santoro]

Maybe encourage more Master+Padawan missions instead of training threads where they're the only two. Easier to roleplay.