Tython Clash - ROUND TWO!
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Irreconcilable differences in terms of PVP behavior. Rather than start a lengthy argument that ends with the dragging in of multiple outside sources, sometimes it's better to let it go and avoid dealing with the source of annoyance. My apologies if it comes across that I didn't give the tournament the full attention it was intended, sometimes though it's best to just have fun and move on when the fun stops.
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PvP can be a rough world here. I get what you mean. Personally I am more a fan of organic fighting from missions, battles, etc. Tournaments are 100% win or lose and move on so it gets harder to get out of the mindset that you have tondo that. Take a loss as growth in character, motivation, rivalry, etc and make it something good. Friendly pvp to me is just a place to make rivals and grow. I get there is an aspect of win involved. Just don't let it upset you when others get that way. ;)
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I love your enthusiasm Bauren - it's really refreshing. It's just sometimes, with PvP, people tend to lose sight of what RPing is about. If winning is your thing, then the least you could do is make it an overall fun experience for everyone (of course not you, but the royal 'you'). Unfortunately, though, people are so hell-bent on winning that the fun literally gets sucked dry on the 2nd post because our opponents inbox us disputing literally every little detail.
Overall, it's been a pretty dry experience that I honestly should have expected. Didn't even get to finish my first fight, but I won by default (even though there was still plenty of that OOC declaration of what i can and can't do, and a hefty amount of godmod).
I'll leave it at this though! :) a long time ago, I realized that if you allow people to walk over you in RP, they will. So I became the type to stand up for myself and always dispute something if it doesn't seem right. And after looking at @Viabuck 's fight?
I love the work you're putting in, though, oh dear faction leader, so keep it up! :D
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No, it's not always just because someone is hellbent on winning. Sometimes it's because someone is simply dead wrong and then it's being pointed out. Please don't extrapolate your experience onto all pvp experiences. Disagreements will exist, but just as you claim it's only people 'hellbent on winning', it could also deem you as someone that simply doesn't know how to pvp or learn to get better. Keeping things cordial goes a long way (instead of indirectly badmouthing like you're doing here about our fight. Do you see me complaining about it in public on the forums? Hell I even wished you luck on your next fight). If it's a tournament, I hate to break it to you, but literally the ONLY goal is to advance to the next round. In a main thread battle, it's different. But if you're in a tournament and your opponent wants to focus on winning, so what? Just because they have a different goal they should be penalized for it?
If it's not for you, then kindly bow out of pvping because the experience will always, always be dry for you. There will always be disagreements from lack of clarification, from different fighting styles, etc. You can grow thick skin or you can choose not to participate. But please don't make blanket statements saying 'people that make any ooc comments about attacks only care about winning' because that's absolutely ridiculous. If you do something that appears totally off, whether that be in the first post or 5th, your opponent has the right to call you out on it. That goes for everyone.
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I'm glad you realized this, and I hope you can respect it when other people stand up for themselves and dispute something that doesn't seem right. So far your reaction to that is to snap and accuse them of only wanting to win, so let's follow our own advice maybe?
No, it's not always just because someone is hellbent on winning. Sometimes it's because someone is simply dead wrong and then it's being pointed out. Please don't extrapolate your experience onto all pvp experiences. Disagreements will exist, but just as you claim it's only people 'hellbent on winning', it could also deem you as someone that simply doesn't know how to pvp or learn to get better. Keeping things cordial goes a long way (instead of indirectly badmouthing like you're doing here about our fight. Do you see me complaining about it in public on the forums? Hell I even wished you luck on your next fight). If it's a tournament, I hate to break it to you, but literally the ONLY goal is to advance to the next round. In a main thread battle, it's different. But if you're in a tournament and your opponent wants to focus on winning, so what? Just because they have a different goal they should be penalized for it?
If it's not for you, then kindly bow out of pvping because the experience will always, always be dry for you. There will always be disagreements from lack of clarification, from different fighting styles, etc. You can grow thick skin or you can choose not to participate. But please don't make blanket statements saying 'people that make any ooc comments about attacks only care about winning' because that's absolutely ridiculous. If you do something that appears totally off, whether that be in the first post or 5th, your opponent has the right to call you out on it. That goes for everyone.
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I'm glad you realized this, and I hope you can respect it when other people stand up for themselves and dispute something that doesn't seem right. So far your reaction to that is to snap and accuse them of only wanting to win, so let's follow our own advice maybe?
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I wasn't aware that 'thick skin' was needed in order to write a decent story. I understand the notion of wanting to win in a tournament setting, but theres a lot to be desired in terms of people being give and take in the name of creating a 'fun' experience. I see in a lot of fights people tend to go for one or two turn dismemberments/wins which I gotta say, is incredibly boring in any setting. If you took a look at the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight and the duel started with Anakin trying a flip and getting his legs lobbed off (and Obi-Wan argued against a defensive measure being taken in private and Anakin just had to accept it) that's boring. That's boring and no one should want to be a part of that. What does -anyone- get out of that?
Pacing is important and I understand wanting to win, I really do, but when it comes to just being cheap and complaining at every turn when other people want a thread to have some meat to it instead of being little more than Kit-Fisto vs Darth Sideous. -Nobody- wants that. Honestly aren't we all here to have fun? Writing a good battle is about give and take and mutual respect for the person you're role playing with. Discussion of actions are fine, nitpicking everything just makes posting a chore.. Which again, are any of us here for that?
Pacing is important and I understand wanting to win, I really do, but when it comes to just being cheap and complaining at every turn when other people want a thread to have some meat to it instead of being little more than Kit-Fisto vs Darth Sideous. -Nobody- wants that. Honestly aren't we all here to have fun? Writing a good battle is about give and take and mutual respect for the person you're role playing with. Discussion of actions are fine, nitpicking everything just makes posting a chore.. Which again, are any of us here for that?
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Cute, if anything else. But since you've chosen to enter the conversation, I guess I can start by welcoming you back!
"Dead wrong" was my favorite part of that post, to be fair and honest, for from the very first post that I made, you began to micro-manage my every detail. So contradict yourself again by indicating it's not a matter of being 'hellbent on winning' when you literally go on to say that your ONLY GOAL is to advance to the next round. I won't go into the details of our own brief fight because that's not what's important - everything isn't about me, you see.
I'm also sorry if common decency is exempt within your realm of what you see as a goal, for if you're on this forum to complain to me in my PM's when I didn't allow you to end my character in the 2nd post and then call me out about it publicly as you have, you - too - have become an oxymoron. Lol
I'm sorry if you see a paragraph of text as 'snapping', and I'm sorry if you see my opinion as offensive to you. If you honestly saw nothing wrong with your own posts after our private discussion, then perhaps you bow out of this conversation as well; for someone who quotes themselves at having little to poor PvP experience, you sure do insult me pretty squarely by saying it's my writing when the situation itself WAS indeed a blanket, covering MULTIPLE RPer's experiences because the COLLECTIVE experience is what's important during this brief little tournament. But hey, if the shoe fits?
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"Dead wrong" was my favorite part of that post, to be fair and honest, for from the very first post that I made, you began to micro-manage my every detail. So contradict yourself again by indicating it's not a matter of being 'hellbent on winning' when you literally go on to say that your ONLY GOAL is to advance to the next round. I won't go into the details of our own brief fight because that's not what's important - everything isn't about me, you see.
I'm also sorry if common decency is exempt within your realm of what you see as a goal, for if you're on this forum to complain to me in my PM's when I didn't allow you to end my character in the 2nd post and then call me out about it publicly as you have, you - too - have become an oxymoron. Lol
I'm sorry if you see a paragraph of text as 'snapping', and I'm sorry if you see my opinion as offensive to you. If you honestly saw nothing wrong with your own posts after our private discussion, then perhaps you bow out of this conversation as well; for someone who quotes themselves at having little to poor PvP experience, you sure do insult me pretty squarely by saying it's my writing when the situation itself WAS indeed a blanket, covering MULTIPLE RPer's experiences because the COLLECTIVE experience is what's important during this brief little tournament. But hey, if the shoe fits?
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I'll go ahead and lock this for now.. no need to get so heated at each other.
This type of thing is bound to happen with combat of all types. We need to be specific and you can't just call someone names because you don't like how it is going. PvP is a messy thing and your characters are trying to win/not die I would hope. This timeline is focusing on conflict and action so we expect a lot of this type of thing to pop up. Growing pains are normal when a change happens but the open threads, tournaments, and battles will almost always end up like this if you approach it with the attitude of 'they are out to get me and are just trying to win'. Yes, yes they are. That's the point. I don't mean to be rude but when it comes to conflict the other side will try to win and you need to be able to work with that. It doesn't mean losing your character, losing an arm, or anything like that. Not all the time at least. Conflict brings growth and change which will drive the story more than a flowery discussion scene. A conflict is more than combat and combat has to be specific else the complaints go from nitpicking to godmoding.
Attitudes should be checked on all sides, for sure, but I have to agree that pvp in this forum is not for those who are afraid to argue or lose a character.
This type of thing is bound to happen with combat of all types. We need to be specific and you can't just call someone names because you don't like how it is going. PvP is a messy thing and your characters are trying to win/not die I would hope. This timeline is focusing on conflict and action so we expect a lot of this type of thing to pop up. Growing pains are normal when a change happens but the open threads, tournaments, and battles will almost always end up like this if you approach it with the attitude of 'they are out to get me and are just trying to win'. Yes, yes they are. That's the point. I don't mean to be rude but when it comes to conflict the other side will try to win and you need to be able to work with that. It doesn't mean losing your character, losing an arm, or anything like that. Not all the time at least. Conflict brings growth and change which will drive the story more than a flowery discussion scene. A conflict is more than combat and combat has to be specific else the complaints go from nitpicking to godmoding.
Attitudes should be checked on all sides, for sure, but I have to agree that pvp in this forum is not for those who are afraid to argue or lose a character.
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Without going into tons of detail
@Vosrik and @prairiedog ends with Coryn winning the match. Coryn seemed to do most actual damage if it wasn't a training weapon. Plus Vosrik failed to post within 48 at the end so some bad mojo coulda gone down.
@Elijah Brockway and @Asinine Soup ends with Sihkar winning the match. Opponent was disarmed, should be no debate here.
@Lamper and @Painus as posted above will be moving on as well.
Stay tuned for round 3 instructions tonight!
@Vosrik and @prairiedog ends with Coryn winning the match. Coryn seemed to do most actual damage if it wasn't a training weapon. Plus Vosrik failed to post within 48 at the end so some bad mojo coulda gone down.
@Elijah Brockway and @Asinine Soup ends with Sihkar winning the match. Opponent was disarmed, should be no debate here.
@Lamper and @Painus as posted above will be moving on as well.
Stay tuned for round 3 instructions tonight!