A Stroll Through The Abyss OOC

[Eccles]

Ohh, but I was under the impression you guys were outside of the orbit as you're targeting sensorcomms relays that are technically in space (going off of the picture in the OP). As I energized the shields in a way you would be watching the top of my craft while I was diving.

But anyway, I'll just wait for Korvo's log then, so we can continue based on that.

 

[Prudence]

I'm out of this thread btw :P Just consider Erik as having flown away. Lost real interest in the character :P

 

[Phoenix]

Since Prudence is out, i believe it's my post. Should have it up soon

 

[Eccles]

As I'm still waiting on @Korvo's positioning details and I'm leaving soon for the entire weekend, I'd like to request an extension @GABA GABA HEY, for my posting round as well as extending the limit to three weeks considering the number of participants. :)

 

[Korvo]

Wow, lots of tags! I'm here, so what exactly needs clarification? Positioning or moves?

 

[Necris]

I think @Ecclessey needs some clarification on your position as there seems to be some confusion as

So as I've followed it

The jedi have blown up 2 relays then turned to address the 2 sith at their rear

Ecclessy has approached to engage got distracted and gone into a dive towards the planets atmosphere
Necris has approached and opened fire before banking away towards the planet

Korvo has dove to avoid the incoming fire performing a barrel roll and possibly crossing over Ecclessey's path and started to perform a Koiogran turn to give chase and engage Ecclessey from behind.
Galavant had banked up to avoid the incoming fire but had taken some damage from the missiles fired at them this is where we're not sure because it then appears that this ship has performed a full 180 at some point so it can dip it's nose to fire missiles at Ecclessey

 

[Galavant]

Ohh, but I was under the impression you guys were outside of the orbit as you're targeting sensorcomms relays that are technically in space (going off of the picture in the OP). As I energized the shields in a way you would be watching the top of my craft while I was diving.

But anyway, I'll just wait for Korvo's log then, so we can continue based on that.

The picture isn't what you should be basing it off of, you should be basing off of what's written. The post in question straight up says that we're targeting orbital installations. Regardless the hyperspace rings were established as being outside orbit and your own posts, and your team's posts confirmed position.

I think @Ecclessey needs some clarification on your position as there seems to be some confusion as

So as I've followed it

The jedi have blown up 2 relays then turned to address the 2 sith at their rear

Ecclessy has approached to engage got distracted and gone into a dive towards the planets atmosphere
Necris has approached and opened fire before banking away towards the planet

Korvo has dove to avoid the incoming fire performing a barrel roll and possibly crossing over Ecclessey's path and started to perform a Koiogran turn to give chase and engage Ecclessey from behind.
Galavant had banked up to avoid the incoming fire but had taken some damage from the missiles fired at them this is where we're not sure because it then appears that this ship has performed a full 180 at some point so it can dip it's nose to fire missiles at Ecclessey

The Jedi blew up two relays and then went to engage the fighter that had blown up their hyperspace ring.

Ecclessey had gone after the hyperspace rings, and then simply banked to keep an eye on us without moving.

Your position honestly confused the hell out of me given the variety of different locations your fighter has appeared at, but my partner posted before I could really dive in and dissect it, so I had to live with it. You were coming at us from the 10 'clock, Prudence was coming up behind us in pursuit somehow. Really with where you two are positioned I'd think that Prudence would be shooting at you as well/running you over, but whatever. He's decided to leave and what's done is done.

Only before your post had Ecclessey established himself as moving in the direction of the planet, with us still between him and it.

Korvo and I respond, dodge/take damage accordingly as our reaction, and post ourselves firing at Ecclessey as our action. For my own post in order to dodge fire, I had my ship "pull up". Her nose was pointed up to getaway, and she had to angle it back down to get shot off on Tim before her own momentum carried her past his fighter. If Eccelessey was diving for the planet he'd have to be headed straight for us making a shot at his front possible. Even if he's presenting his top to us in this movement for whatever reason I can still aim a shot at his front, it just means that in a vacuum it'd hit somewhere in the front-top area.

That's the situation as far as I understand it.

Regardless since Phoenix posted our actions have been solidified.

 

[Necris]

My starting position was off in a training field which you started off flying away from

As you turned to head back to engage Ecclessey I came in at a 10 o'clock angle to fire before banking away on a trajectory matching my fellow brother towards the planet

But that's beside the point I think the confusion was the jink you did between pulling up and shooting down

 

[Eccles]

I'm not entirely convinced of the timing and the positions here, as it was stated there was a considerable distance between us and I wrote in diving when you guys turned to approach me. That would not make us go head-on and wasn't the way I wrote how my action would be, and if that wasn't clear there should've been a question instead of this rather convenient assumption (and as I believe Phoenix' post isn't that relevant to our action it doesn't always solidify our posts beyond edits), but that's more something for next time. Anyhow, I don't really feel like making any issues and as I've just returned from a horrible body-breaking camping trip will either have my reply up tonight or tomorrow.

P.s. I hate kids.

 

[Phoenix]

Grr, why do you have to all be so prompt about posting. I'll try to get something up in a bit when I've got time

 

[Phoenix]

@Korvo could I get a quick clarification about where you are exactly in relationship to Vash and Zanra. I know Zanra is at about my eleven/twelve o'clock. I'm envisioning you at my 1 o'clock, would that be correct?

 

[Galavant]

@Korvo could I get a quick clarification about where you are exactly in relationship to Vash and Zanra. I know Zanra is at about my eleven/twelve o'clock. I'm envisioning you at my 1 o'clock, would that be correct?

Don't want to speak for my wing mate here, but I don't think he'll be on to answer until tomorrow as he's also been vacationing IIRC.

 

[Eccles]

Soo what just happened?

I was coming from above Korvo, having finished the half (and a bit) loop before firing a missile that can't be stopped by shields but hasn't been adressed (so autohit?). Korvo fired a missile against a concussion missile fired by Prudence last round (which was ignored or evaded previously, otherwise I'm unsure why it was still around and didn't disappear or autohit). The explosion radius hit mostly me, but barely Korvo, while I mentioned having to make an emergency maneuver to avoid a head-on colllission with Korvo, so our proximity should logically result in the same (or at least more similar) damage.

Aren't I fun to PvP with? So many question each round!

EDIT: Also I have to write the damage done to me myself, and you guys just both wrote me to have exploded, making autohits instead of the rule-appropriate way of writing an attack.

 

[Phoenix]

Nah it's not just you Ecc, I hadn't posted yet because I wanted to say something about this. If anything the fact that the missiles from prudence weren't mentioned earlier would make them a hit on the Jedi they were fired against, not another teammate.

Perhaps the larger issue though is that regardless of what happens to Ecc, his missile was fired based on what Ecc described (firing in the split second he's facing the Jedi) and what Korvo described (Rogue registers the fighter facing him before being blown up) means the missile would have been fired and ignored.

 

[Galavant]

Soo what just happened?

I was coming from above Korvo, having finished the half (and a bit) loop before firing a missile that can't be stopped by shields but hasn't been adressed (so autohit?). Korvo fired a missile against a concussion missile fired by Prudence last round (which was ignored or evaded previously, otherwise I'm unsure why it was still around and didn't disappear or autohit). The explosion radius hit mostly me, but barely Korvo, while I mentioned having to make an emergency maneuver to avoid a head-on colllission with Korvo, so our proximity should logically result in the same (or at least more similar) damage.

Aren't I fun to PvP with? So many question each round!

EDIT: Also I have to write the damage done to me myself, and you guys just both wrote me to have exploded, making autohits instead of the rule-appropriate way of writing an attack.

I mean you failed to address an attack. It wasn't like there was anything vague about it, you didn't address it at all. Per rules this is an automatic hit, so not sure what else there is to say about it on that note. If Korvo should take damage could be questioned, but I'll leave it to @Korvo to address that particular part of it.

Nah it's not just you Ecc, I hadn't posted yet because I wanted to say something about this. If anything the fact that the missiles from prudence weren't mentioned earlier would make them a hit on the Jedi they were fired against, not another teammate. He does however address that the shockwave would reach his ship, and do damage to the shields.

Perhaps the larger issue though is that regardless of what happens to Ecc, his missile was fired based on what Ecc described (firing in the split second he's facing the Jedi) and what Korvo described (Rogue registers the fighter facing him before being blown up) means the missile would have been fired and ignored.

The missiles were addressed in our posts (#11 and #12 respectively), with my fighter taking damage, and Korvo doing his stunt based on hitting Prudence's missile with his own. If this was an issue that needed to be addressed instead of being accepted it should have been done so at the time prior to this posting round, as you guys posting indicates an acceptance of the actions of the previous round. I'd agree that the timing is an issue as to whether or not Ecc was able to get a missile shot off, which would in turn result in a hit on Korvo since he did not address the missile this round, but could also be interpreted as having interrupted the action at the completion of the turn given that Korvo's post indicates that the fighter was hit coming to the end of the loop, and it's entirely conceivable that the missile would be vaporized before anything could happen if it it's only being fired a split second afterwards. Seems like the kind of timing issue that might require admin intervention.

 

[Eccles]

I mean you failed to address an attack. It wasn't like there was anything vague about it, you didn't address it at all. Per rules this is an automatic hit, so not sure what else there is to say about it on that note. If Korvo should take damage could be questioned, but I'll leave it to @Korvo to address that particular part of it.

I'd agree that the timing is an issue as to whether or not Ecc was able to get a missile shot off, which would in turn result in a hit on Korvo since he did not address the missile this round, but could also be interpreted as having interrupted the action at the completion of the turn given that Korvo's post indicates that the fighter was hit coming to the end of the loop, and it's entirely conceivable that the missile would be vaporized before anything could happen if it it's only being fired a split second afterwards. Seems like the kind of timing issue that might require admin intervention.

I'll be more than happy with getting hit, but it would also mean I couldn't course-correct and would fly right into Korvo. I wrote it like that on purpose, so Korvo had the choice of what to do when my fighter suddenly wasn't on the spot where he thought I was after his spin. As my missile would've fired no later than his own, or even sooner as I started my maneuver when he was in range and not after he'd passed me, which I confirmed when I faced him while he was still spinning around (making it an interupt and I wouldn't need to adres it as it hadn't happened yet) .Either way, we'd both be dead seeing the proximity to each other and not the convenient outcome you guys have made it.

 

[Necris]

So Korvo spun and shot the incoming missile with one of his own missiles we then did a round of posting

Then Korvo posted Ecc flying into his explosion and being destroyed?

Is that what I'm reading?

 

[Galavant]

I'll be more than happy with getting hit, but it would also mean I couldn't course-correct and would fly right into Korvo. I wrote it like that on purpose, so Korvo had the choice of what to do when my fighter suddenly wasn't on the spot where he thought I was after his spin. As my missile would've fired no later than his own, or even sooner as I started my maneuver when he was in range and not after he'd passed me, which I confirmed when I faced him while he was still spinning around (making it an interupt and I wouldn't need to adres it as it hadn't happened yet) .Either way, we'd both be dead seeing the proximity to each other and not the convenient outcome you guys have made it.

How would you be flying right into Korvo when your post says nothing about how you'd fly into Korvo? Likewise Korvo's post says nothing about flying into you unless you move so....Similarly if we take both yours and his post at face value you would be moving away from each other before you do the loop to get a lock on him, which allows for time to build a up distance to make the make that damage that Korvo said his fighter would receive via the shockwave plausible. If your missile is firing at roughly the same time as he's spinning that doesn't really interrupt him as it would take time for the missile to reach him giving him time to pull it off, assuming it's launched at all. If the missile launch was intended to interrupt him from completing his maneuver this should have been written into the post rather than not mentioning his attack at all. It seems more like you're attempting to exploit the vagueness in your own post than anything else.

And trust me, any outcome that involves having to post in an OOC is NOT a convenient one on any level for me.

 

[Eccles]

Korvo says he's flying too fast to shoot, explaining why he doesn't shoot when he's coming into range and instead flies past me. I said that the second Korvo came into range (when he didn't do anything to attack yet) I start the half loop. According to you we were all flying towards each other, so by the logic the loop would put me on Korvo's tail even before he began spinning in his attempt to get onto mine. Because he stopped completely, we were suddenly really close, forcing a window of a second before impact.

The missile, seeing the proximity, would likewise need very little time, but its blast radius would surely have put me out of comission in the next round. As he was still spinning I didn't need to include the attack that would have followed afterwards, that's not exploiting my own vagueness, especially since I'm explaining it here and actually brought up the issue instead of making convenient assumptions (which is, in fact, exploiting vagueness, which I let slip in the previous round). When someone posts a wall-of-text in PvP and gets interupted in the first sentence, the one that interupts doesn't need to explain why all the other actions in that wall-of-texts didn't happen. They simply didn't.

But again, I'm fine with being hit, but I specifically mentioned in my post that unless the maneuver in the end was made I'd collide with Korvo. That's why you cannot just shrug it away, for that's ignoring all facts that are inconvenient to you.

 

[Galavant]

Korvo says he's flying too fast to shoot, explaining why he doesn't shoot when he's coming into range and instead flies past me. I said that the second Korvo came into range (when he didn't do anything to attack yet) I start the half loop. According to you we were all flying towards each other, so by the logic the loop would put me on Korvo's tail even before he began spinning in his attempt to get onto mine. Because he stopped completely, we were suddenly really close, forcing a window of a second before impact.

The missile, seeing the proximity, would likewise need very little time, but its blast radius would surely have put me out of comission in the next round. As he was still spinning I didn't need to include the attack that would have followed afterwards, that's not exploiting my own vagueness, especially since I'm explaining it here and actually brought up the issue instead of making convenient assumptions (which is, in fact, exploiting vagueness, which I let slip in the previous round). When someone posts a wall-of-text in PvP and gets interupted in the first sentence, the one that interupts doesn't need to explain why all the other actions in that wall-of-texts didn't happen. They simply didn't.

But again, I'm fine with being hit, but I specifically mentioned in my post that unless the maneuver in the end was made I'd collide with Korvo. That's why you cannot just shrug it away, for that's ignoring all facts that are inconvenient to you.

You did not mention that at all, you mentioned that you'd collide with an ALLY.

If the intention is that you avoid Korvo with that portion of the post, the timing doesn't work at all as you already have him in your sights as he's doing a spin by your post. By your own post, Korvo is not flying at you as his post states that he'd do that after he's clear of you, otherwise there's no reason for you to make a turn towards him at all.

It is exploiting vagueness as posts here don't for the IC. You're trying to say that he's conveniently close enough to hit him with a missile before his attack hits you, but nowhere in your post do you state how far you in relation to him, or how much time it has taken for you to complete your maneuver prior to the "fraction of a second" firing of a missile, and other maneuver. This period of time would be especially important if it was your intention to interrupt as it establishes the plausibility of him being near enough for you to launch the missile and have it him prior to his launching his attack.

Korvo's post doesn't need an establishment of time or distance as you explicitly make no mention of his attack, leaving him free to hit. If you're intention was to interrupt his attack however you should have made it explicit how far you reckoned the distance between you two to be, and the amount of time it would take. Otherwise you are exploiting vagueness in your own post in order to assume that it will be exactly where you want it to be exactly when you want it to in order for your attack to successfully interrupt him be in spite of a lack of IC information to back this up.

Again, as stated in response to Phoenix, I don't necessarily see it as implausible that a missile could be launched at Korvo, but I leave it up to him to clarify as I don't want to speak for my partner in this regard.