Ant-Man

[Shiuzu]

So it turns out that Paul Rudd is going to be playing Ant-Man.

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/paul-rudd-marvel-ant-man-1200756440/

And they even have early footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEC_lkpD3rM

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I am so game for this. Or at least the possibility of this being good.

 

[Blaxican]

I'm ready for all the 3D-IMAX domestic violence.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

Second link got me. Someone watches too much Conan, you dick.

I love you.

 

[Wing]

I'm ready for Paul Rudd not to be boring in a movie.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I'm ready for Paul Rudd not to be boring in a movie.

So you've been ready for a while? Because those have come and gone. Numerous times. Just got back from Anchorman 2, so add that to your list.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

So you've been ready for a while? Because those have come and gone. Numerous times. Just got back from Anchorman 2, so add that to your list.

I was about to say "Paul Rudd not in a boring movie... he's been in a lot of great movies." :I

 

[Wing]

I was about to say "Paul Rudd not in a boring movie... he's been in a lot of great movies." :I

Being in great movie =\= being great actor.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Being in great movie =\= being great actor.

Of course, but he is a good actor and has contributed to the success of most films he has been in.

 

[Shiuzu]

Paul Rudd is full of the funs.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Only problem I can see, given Paul Rudd's normal character type, they are going to turn Hank Pym into a Tony Stark clone just without the money.

 

[Shiuzu]

Only problem I can see, given Paul Rudd's normal character type, they are going to turn Hank Pym into a Tony Stark clone just without the money.

Also worth keeping in mind, all they've said is he's playing Ant-Man. So he could also be playing Eric O'Grady, or Scott Lang.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

Keep in mind Hank Pym was (in the older comics) kind of a womanizer. He even slapped his old wife around a few times before Tigra became involved with (the fake/copy) Ant-Man.

 

[Cortan]

He even slapped his old wife around a few times before Tigra became involved with (the fake/copy) Ant-Man.

About that. He was YellowJacket at the time, and going through some stuff plot wise. The effects of his powers along with other factors had left him mentally unstable, to the point that in order to make himself look good he planned to stage an attack where he could heroically save the day. Janet tried to talk him out of it, and then in a bad move, he backhanded her. Know what happened after that?

He was kicked out of the Avengers. They divorced. Hank got help and realised what he did was wrong. Years later he founded a home specifically to help women suffering from abuse. The mainstream Hank Pym was not a habitual wife beater.

The problem is the internet resurfaced the original incident, brought it to fore, and then Mark Millar made it one of the defining characteristics of Hank in the Ultimate Universe. There? Hank was more than implied to have had a long standing but very strained relationship with Jan, and in one of the more disturbing moments of the first volume, when Jan shrunk down to hide from him under a desk (in that universe Jan was the source of Pym particles, and Hank couldn't replicate the shrinking effect safely on himself), he put on his helmet and commanded and an army of ants to attack and bite her. Cap learnt about this and proceeded to take down a Giant.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

About that. He was YellowJacket at the time, and going through some stuff plot wise. The effects of his powers along with other factors had left him mentally unstable, to the point that in order to make himself look good he planned to stage an attack where he could heroically save the day. Janet tried to talk him out of it, and then in a bad move, he backhanded her. Know what happened after that?

He was kicked out of the Avengers. They divorced. Hank got help and realised what he did was wrong. Years later he founded a home specifically to help women suffering from abuse. The mainstream Hank Pym was not a habitual wife beater.

The problem is the internet resurfaced the original incident, brought it to fore, and then Mark Millar made it one of the defining characteristics of Hank in the Ultimate Universe. There? Hank was more than implied to have had a long standing but very strained relationship with Jan, and in one of the more disturbing moments of the first volume, when Jan shrunk down to hide from him under a desk (in that universe Jan was the source of Pym particles, and Hank couldn't replicate the shrinking effect safely on himself), he put on his helmet and commanded and an army of ants to attack and bite her. Cap learnt about this and proceeded to take down a Giant.

Correct.

Point is, he was still a ****ed up individual. Even after his mental instability faded away (presumably before the Skrull secretly swept him away and we started getting more 'women-in-fridge' moments), he was still abusive to her. But I'm not arguing any of your points, you only made mine stand taller. He's a terrible person in canon. Thanks Millar (who hopefully no longer works with Marvel since Angela is now a part of the universe).

 

[Cortan]

Personally, I'm really glad Earth's Mightiest Heroes actually didn't stoop to using it as a defining part for their version of Hank. Otherwise though, that sort of rubberbanding with character traits happens quite a bit in comics due to popular culture and perceptions. Spider-Man doesn't get to be a teacher because people think he's a photographer, Hank isn't allowed to move on without bringing up something he's known was wrong for a long time (apparently the embodiment of the universe actually punched him in the gut once, haven't found that though).

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Also worth keeping in mind, all they've said is he's playing Ant-Man. So he could also be playing Eric O'Grady, or Scott Lang.

Considering Ant-Man's shape changing powers come from the creation of Pym particles I assume Hank Pym is a no brainer inclusion. Not saying the other two are impossible, but I think explaining their powers would be hard. Though I believe Kevin Feige did state it was something akin to a "hesit movie" to my recollection so maybe Lang's character works there. With the SHIELD heavy presence of the movies (at least the first Avengers cycle) O'Grady could spawn from there. Maybe an amalgamation of the ideas? Completely possible.

Point is, he was still a ****ed up individual. Even after his mental instability faded away (presumably before the Skrull secretly swept him away and we started getting more 'women-in-fridge' moments), he was still abusive to her. But I'm not arguing any of your points, you only made mine stand taller. He's a terrible person in canon. Thanks Millar (who hopefully no longer works with Marvel since Angela is now a part of the universe).

Except that only happened once. Labeling him as abusive is a bit shit since that the decision to have him hit Jan was actually an artist misinterpretation of the writer's notes and they ran with it. A lot of other writers loved to make Pym the butt monkey of any story or have it define his character in years to come. After striking Jan and being kicked out of the Avengers he moved out of her mansion and summarily were divorced quickly. So any real implications, or dwelling on, of a continued abusive or strained relationship never made any sense to me.

Nobody talks about the good Hank has done or how him and Jan have reconciled. When she was wounded by She-Hulk in the events of Disassembled he stayed by her side in the hospital and they went on a trip together soon after and decided to stay friends.

Personally, I'm really glad Earth's Mightiest Heroes actually didn't stoop to using it as a defining part for their version of Hank. Otherwise though, that sort of rubberbanding with character traits happens quite a bit in comics due to popular culture and perceptions. Spider-Man doesn't get to be a teacher because people think he's a photographer, Hank isn't allowed to move on without bringing up something he's known was wrong for a long time (apparently the embodiment of the universe actually punched him in the gut once, haven't found that though).

I can't say that the storyline won't be touched on, but looking at Tony so far not going through his phase as an alcoholic, Hawkeye's criminal career or before becoming a hero I'd say a lot of things could be omitted in this iteration or taken from the current run of comics where he has (thankfully) been doing pretty well for himself coming off of the Avengers Academy and in his new run in Avengers AI where he seems a lot more optimistic even after being diagnosed with a bipolar disorder.

 

[Shiuzu]

Well they're already changing stuff like Ultron being made by Tony. It wouldn't be a stretch to get rid of Pym particles, or do something kind of like it but different.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Well they're already changing stuff like Ultron being made by Tony. It wouldn't be a stretch to get rid of Pym particles, or do something kind of like it but different.

I didn't really agree with the Tony creating Ultron stuff. I think taking Pym Particles away from Hank Pym in addition to Ultron basically does make the character irrelevant though. Can't really imagine a good substitute. If it is the same story, but new particles or science then what's the point of changing it? The thing I liked about Ant-Man in his iterations is it was a choice. Not only was it a choice, but it was one that wasn't thrust upon him.

Tony gained the Iron Man suit after expanding on the arc reactor technology under extreme duress and then feeling guilty about the number of people his weapons were killing (Then eventually goes on to kill people with his weapons?), Banner accidentally turned into the Hulk, and Steve chose to undergo the Super Soldier process, but it wasn't of his design.

I thought Hank would have offered a nice alternative to the current origins. The Ultron made by Tony thing basically, to me, just gives more for his character to do when I thought he'd be taking a much needed break in the Avengers series. Which much to my chagrin compared to Fox's Wolverine and the X-Men mentality is it has become Iron Man and the Avengers.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There's a theory that Ultron is actually Jarvis gone haywire, so that would mean Tony being behind it is pretty appropriate.