Battle of Geonosis OOC

[Logan]

So I have a few points of contention with your post, @Vosrik.

First point: With a two second timer, the cryoban wouldn't have had enough time to be tossed by Prudii "flicked away" and travel the 10m up to where Kyuss was. A cryoban grenade has a blast radius of 3 meters. A liberal estimate could put the grenade halfway to Kyuss after what you did. That would still be 2 meters short of his position and wouldn't really effect him.

Second point: During the time when this is occuring, you're already being fired at by Kyuss and Prudii. More than just a few blaster bolts, as you indicated, I might add. So between Prudii's XPC -which when blocked make mini explosions of light that would distract you - and the carnifex rounds, I'm not really sure a couple whips of a saber is going to help you here. Especially, given the timeline, when they were fired he was unarmed and would have to take the time to get them and ignite them, focus and deflect them. I don't think that's kosher.

@Prudence @Cainhurst Crow

 

[Vosrik]

Fair points. I'll edit when I get home, and for the record the XPC/particle blast actually can be blocked, but not deflected back as it fizzes out instead. ;)

 

[Logan]

Fair points. I'll edit when I get home, and for the record the XPC/particle blast actually can be blocked, but not deflected back as it fizzes out instead. ;)

I just fixed that myself, as my ignorance had been showing. >.>

 

[Vosrik]

Oh another thing, Vosrik did actually have his lightsabers drawn but not ignited at that point. My thinking was that the freeze grenade would have disrupted Kyuss and therefore would only have to deal with Prudii.

 

[Prudence]

Oh another thing, Vosrik did actually have his lightsabers drawn but not ignited at that point. My thinking was that the freeze grenade would have disrupted Kyuss and therefore would only have to deal with Prudii.

The thing is, though, as addressed by Relent's OP he wouldn't have been interrupted by the cryoban. Also, you're really gonna be pushing this grenade while I'm shooting at you, because It's not gonna take me as long to grab a weapon already in my hands and fire as I'm flying backwards as it will for you to grab a grenade that you couldn't have seen coming, and fling it back directly at Relent.

 

[Vosrik]

Alright, I'm finally back home and I've had a bit more time to think about my post. :)

So for starters, Vosrik had both his lightsabers drawn but not ignited when they were talking about four or five feet from each other. Not only that, but he was quite clearly watching Prudii very closely in my first post. Prudii didn't actually try hiding that he was pulling out said grenade either, so it's quite reasonable Vosrik actually watched him do it.

Now for the grenade toss. Prudii also just activated it and tossed it, he didn't hold it for any length of time either. I really don't usually like getting into the math and all that...but Vosrik would only need to toss the grenade at 10 mph over the two second duration, or 20 mph for just one second to something only about 30 feet away - both very easily attainable throwing speeds. The grenade would definitely hit the rafter in the time limit.

As Vosrik returned his attention back to Prudii basically just as he was jumping off the balcony, he'd also be able to start blocking those shots quite easily.

However, I'll definitely edit the last part referencing the blasters, making it a little bit more clear.

 

[Prudence]

Uhhh he actually did.

First Prudii put his hands on his hips, making no move for a weapon, and then grabbing and tossing . You would have to focus on the grenade and throw it in 2 seconds. Also, the blaster shots are literally coming in right after Prudii throws the grenade. Your options are really: Block, toss, or evade.

Also, if "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" (couldn't help myself) I don't think a cryoban grenade is going to turn one to crumbles either.

 

[Vosrik]

At the same time though, Prudii's reach for the grenade was enough movement to have Kyuss realize what he was doing and jump into the air. So since both characters were quite clearly watching for any sudden (violent) movements, I still hold that Vosrik could toss the grenade right after it left his hand.

Now for the rafters, I was just going off of what Wookieepedia says, "The cold itself could also damage equipment such as droids, electronics, and vehicles that were not specially adapted for cold-weather use." and the fact that steel becomes very brittle when it's supercooled. Not only that, Geonosis is a desert planet and their equipment proooobably wasn't designed to hold up to being supercooled. ;) Either way, Kyuss is still within the 3 meter radius of it detonating which is a problem aside from the rafter freezing.

And for the blaster shots coming immediately after he jumped off into the air (not after he threw the grenade, since the post indicates he didn't start shooting until after jumping), I can definitely make a quick little edit to rectify that.

 

[Logan]

I will respond to this more fully when I get home this evening, but there is 0% chance that a cryoban grenade would do that to a beam already strong enough to hold Kyuss.

 

[Logan]

Sorry for not responding sooner, ended up out later than I thought and then there were beers so drunk posting didn't seem like a good idea. >.>

anyway!

I guess my main gripe after your edit is that there still seems to be some confusion on time -

You say that Vosrik already had his hands forward in your latest post - but I don't remember seeing that in the previous post (I could be wrong)

So, the maybe half-full second he would take to raise his hand, focus on the grenade (I'm being liberal here) and then redirect it would put the total timer at 1 second or so.

I don't think the grenade would be able to travel as far away as Kyuss was in the remaining time it had left, so he would still be up there unphased and shooting.

Which then moves us to Vos' lightsaber ignition/blocking.

There would be probably dozens of shots at this point between Kyuss and Prudii. Whipping out a single saber, trying to focus to block, and actually blocking all of them seems like a hefty feat - especially after the focus expended to do the thing on the grenade merely seconds earlier.

So I think the main problem is that he's doing too much, too quickly and too accurately.

Thoughts?

@Vosrik

 

[Vosrik]

For the record, I really do appreciate how cordial we've stayed so far :)

Alrighty, so for having Vosrik's hands up, here's the snip from my first post.

Giving a slight nod to the Accord agent to follow and retrieving his lightsabers from their hilts, Vosrik slipped off the rafter and landed cleanly a few feet away from the Mandalorian and Codru-Ji. Holding his non-ignited blades defensively, but not threateningly, the Jedi did something one might consider radical - perhaps stupid.

Now for noticing the grenade. Again, Kyuss was clearly able to see the grenade being pulled and jump into the air after finding a suitable rafter - all without knowing exactly what Prudii was going to do. Basically, Vosrik would also be able to see the grenade primed and tossed when he threw it up into the air in the same time the Warlord did. Kyuss still needs time to move himself 10 meters, land, and train his gun back onto the Jedi before shooting again; your post indicates Kyuss didn't start shooting until after he landed. And again, even if there was only 1 second left, the grenade still wouldn't need to be thrown very hard to reach said distance. If there was time for Kyuss to find a beam and get up there in one or two seconds, there was time for Vosrik to get the grenade up there in equal time as he needed significantly less effort to do so.

Also, if I understand the timing properly and Prudii started shooting just after he jumped off (which he did right after throwing the grenade), then Prudii would be shooting for at least a second or two - basically the time for the grenade to explode - before Kyuss landed and started shooting too. The XPC isn't an automatic rifle either, so that narrows the shots down to very few. Vosrik would be able to press the ignition on his already raised hand and handle the shots aimed at him before jumping off, which he would have done before Kyuss began shooting (assuming he wasn't frozen, of course).

That's my train of thought there. Any issues?

 

[Logan]

I just think you're underestimating the amount of focus required to do all of those things and make all of those split second decisions.

All I did in my post, which still required some degree of focus, was jump and shoot.

I feel like there's a compromise somewhere. What do you think?

I suppose if he used less effort to toss the grenade so it didn't move as far, I'd be more comfortable with all the rest? Kyuss gets interrupted by a cryoban explosion with him on the very edge of the blast radius, giving a break in his shots for Vosrik to block the incoming ones?

I dunno. Just feel like we should move past this particular instance and keep going.

@Vosrik

 

[Outlander]

Isn't the additional time and force between him being in range and him being just out of range of the grenade incredibly minute?

 

[Logan]

Isn't the additional time and force between him being in range and him being just out of range of the grenade incredibly minute?

I'm conceding already with something I don't particularly agree with. I was just looking for an idea we could agree with. Perhaps the members of the thread should be the ones including their input?

 

[Vosrik]

I just think you're underestimating the amount of focus required to do all of those things and make all of those split second decisions.

All I did in my post, which still required some degree of focus, was jump and shoot.

I feel like there's a compromise somewhere. What do you think?

I suppose if he used less effort to toss the grenade so it didn't move as far, I'd be more comfortable with all the rest? Kyuss gets interrupted by a cryoban explosion with him on the very edge of the blast radius, giving a break in his shots for Vosrik to block the incoming ones?

I dunno. Just feel like we should move past this particular instance and keep going.

@Vosrik

At the same time though, all Vosrik did was flick the grenade. Much less movement and focus needed than what Kyuss was doing.

However, I'd be comfortable with Kyuss just getting caught in the tip of the blast radius and being stunned for a quick moment by the sheer cold, but not frozen. As you said. :) Sound good?

 

[Logan]

Works for me.

@Cainhurst Crow - you're up my man.

 

[Vosrik]

Aaaand now it's our turn :p

Your previous post stated Prudii didn't start shooting until after he'd jumped off the balcony and into the air, and by then the grenade would have been well on its way to Kyuss since Prudii was specifically aiming and shooting at the Jedi - therefore, a stray bullet couldn't have hit it.

Basically your timing is off - the grenade would've needed to be near the Jedi for prudii to hit it (even if he was shooting at them so soon), in which case it definitely would've blown up before the Jedi jumped down (as they only did so after the grenade exploded next to Kyuss, two seconds later.)

@Prudence

 

[Prudence]

Well I still really feel like your timing on the grenade is off, but anyways, this is what I had posted:

Grabbing the Cryoban grenade off of his belt and flinging it forward, primed to a two second detonator Prudii leaped backwards, his jetpack kicking in to carry him away. Blaster rifle already attached to his chest for quick access, Prudii raised the rifle and began to pour energized plasma to where the two Jedi had been.

I pretty much jumped as soon as i dropped the cryoban, and was shooting as soon as I jumped. If you'd like me to edit so that you're all caught in the cryoban explosion, though, I can.

 

[Vosrik]

It's still written that he didn't start shooting until after he'd jumped off, and using a semi-automatic gun with the kind of precision I'm sure Prudii has when he was specifically aiming for the Jedi, a stray bullet couldn't have hit it in the time frame unless he was specifically aiming for it. You can't change what he was aiming at either, as that would be editing something you already did three posts ago.

 

[Logan]

We really gonna sit here and argue about Prudii neutralizing his own attack?

I expected more from you guys.