Bounty: Theron Vhan - The Wife

[LA]

I don't think so.

Shared time dictates that the actions are not locked in or canonized for PC or NPC actions. If for instance an opposing side describes an NPC attack on a PC, but the PC does something, not to dodge or block the NPC attack, but to entirely prevent it's possibility, the PC would be able to interrupt the NPC attack. If this was not the case, illogical things would be able to take place.

This is a silly example, but let's say I Metro place his freighter in front of the cab. Assuming I had brought in the thread. This would interrupt the NPC action. But it shows the principle I'm getting at. In fact, I would argue if Metro is denied the possibility to do something to interrupt the NPC action, this would be a form of godmoding by proxy, because it assumes Metro didn't do something he may have done.

@Sreeya

 

[Sreeya]

The way it works is if you have an issue with a post, you bring it up OOCly. That's when Phoenix or Rim would change whatever it is you'd ask in their post. So for example you'd ask them to say "have the cab beginning to drive off, not say it drove off so I can do something about it." So then they would edit in turn to allow for that opportunity where as "drove off" implies it's left the scene entirely. In this case, Brick posted before such edits/amendments were made, so it's locked in that the taxi drove off.

Because on the flip side, you can just keep coming up with reasons why it doesn't constantly lol As of now if you wanted to do something about it, you could try comming it to bring it back or something like that, but canonically it has driven off.

@Lets Awesome

 

[LA]

Yeah I understand that, but, the cab did not simply drove off immediately after delivering the passengers. In fact, that's impossible. This is because Metro getting out and opening the trunk itself consented to the timeline that it didn't immediately drive off. This meant that when Phoenix wrote:

pulled up, delivered two more people, and then drove off.

This could only mean there were things that happened in the interval. Specifically things that happened between delivering people and driving off. In this case, the cab staying still. These things had simply not been described in the post. The comma could not mean that it happened immediately after the delivery. That's what I was getting at when I initially said the taxi cab driving off should not be considered locked in. There is space to play there, and there must be because Metro had enough time to go to the back and grab his port scanner.

@Sreeya

 

[Sreeya]

I don't think it's being argued you don't have your port scanner. We can agree the taxi drives off after that, but it has definitely driven off. You are correct in that whatever is in your post is also locked in - so you have whatever you are utilizing there.

@Lets Awesome

 

[TWD26]

-You got your port scanner and walked to the side of the house.
-Phoe and Rim state they saw you go to the car and get your scanner and go to the side of the house, the cab leaves.
-Bricks original post doesn't contest their actions, he goes to the side of the house and then enters the front door pestering our Imperial Agents.

He deleted that post, which locks in that the cab left. Which shouldn't have been done.

 

[LA]

@Sreeya Okay, to give another example, again, absurd: Metropolis shoots the driver in the head. Are you still asserting that the cab must have driven away, and that this can be known for sure before my post? That the very possibility of an interrupt is impossible?

@TWD26 The post doesn't describe with that much precision when the cab drives away. Simply a sequence of events, as such, my next post can define when the cab drives away.

I remember the post. It made no mention of a cab or taxi. I even text searched it to make sure. Then Brick deleted it. So either way, this gives my next post the power to define when it drives off, even if the post is resurrected.

 

[Sreeya]

Yeah, going by rules the way they are by the time it gets to your next post you can't do much about it. That's how the rules have always worked.

However since this is a stupid and bizarre argument, do what you want with the cab lmao I'd rather keep the thread moving than get hung up on every nitpicky detail. I can already tell this will become a painful ooc once combat actually starts so I'd rather save our energy for that than stupid shit like a cab. Just post please. If there's something horrifically wrong with your post we'll bring it up then.

@Lets Awesome

 

[Rimrald]

Please just post, we’re debating in circles

Also with the example of the interrupt it would go something like “he shoots the driver as it begins to pull away, leaving with his gear. It rolls a few feet and stops because the drivers dead”

 

[LA]

Let's keep the OOC polite. @Sreeya

Got a lot of stuff on my plate today. Will get to it in a few hours. @Rimrald

 

[Nefieslab]

Alright so Brick messaged me and asked me if he could delete- my understanding was that he was concerned that he had posted first in his block and I told him that it didn't matter either way.

I was incorrect to do so as stated above- a post locks in everything that happened before it IC

It seems as though this has been established now and agreed upon but I'm not exactly happy this caused this needless arguing so I apologise for confusing Brick in the first place but yes, the actions and events of previous posts are locked in and we look forward to you posting when you can Lets Awesome

 

[Rimrald]

@Lets Awesome quick note, with your post attempting to exit the thread just add on at the bottom

//exiting thread unless interrupted.

That way it’s not written in an absolute and so long as no one interrupts you would be out of the thread come the next round (:

 

[Brick]

huh, i don't know if it's just me, but @Lets Awesome are you leaving in the cab without me? Or did the cab leave without you. The last sentence said you needed the wife. How can you accomplish this if you're leaving?


Just wanted confirmation so i can post.

 

[Rimrald]

During shared time in PvP and normal posting, actions are not absolute until the next round. So you can get in the cab with him if you choose and leave as well. Metro is attempting to exit the thread in the cab.

 

[Brick]

I assume he is leaving, but he did not say /exit thread. He could be going somewhere and coming back, or just circling.

 

[LA]

That's right @Brick . If it was a thread exit, I would have put that at the end of the post.

 

[Nefieslab]

Two things;

- @Ulysses you're up
- @Nor'baal you're gonna need to edit - The wife is crouched behind a bed, you're not going to be able to see her legs to shoot at them or anything aside from her upper body

 

[LA]

Wanted to make edits to Metropolis profile, but the web archive I'm using doesn't save tabs so here it is, minus the picture:

Spoiler

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METROPOLIS

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Basics Appearance Attributes Personality Background Ownership

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  NAMES:
  (Given) Qorus Qorus
  (Nickname) Metro, Metropolis
  (Aliases) Deco Moon, Mal Ohms, Mesa Geisse, Galt Hekes, Meno Song
  FACTION: Independent
  SPECIES: Umbaran
  AGE: 21
  GENDER: Male
  FORCE SENSITIVE: Yes
  
  
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  Due to a healthy acquired paranoia Metro sometimes changes his appearance. Mostly his style of clothes, such as a new flight suit with the helmet down, but if he feels it necessary it may include more extreme measures. A tattoo on his neck covers evidence of his lesai addiction. Naturally and usually though he looks like a typical Umbaran: white hair, colorless pupils, pale skin. He passes for a very pale human for those with little experience around Umbarans.
  
  
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  On Umbara Metro received a rounded education that emphasized fencing, galactic history, diplomacy, and military strategy; while he picked up political subterfuge from those around him. Being left handed and tall gave him some advantages in sword dueling.
  
  On Nar Shadaa he learned to pass undetected and hide his presence from pursuers. A brief stint as a Sith apprentice had him learn the basics of force use, how to turn on a lightsaber, and let him brush up his fencing skills. His natural Umbaran telepathy was boosted by force training, which it allows him to get an intuition as to what others are thinking when they are speaking to him, and can subtly influence weak willed individuals. Having led a dangerous life has left him with a practiced precognitive instinct for harm, which force training also enhanced. As an Umbaran, he can see in the UV spectrurm.
  
  Metropolis is intelligent and enjoys reading, but will only stick to learning something if it interests him. Technical matters bore him to death. Practicing anything that requires coordination or strength is also seen as a chore. He'd rather just shunt such tasks on to someone else.
  
  His emotionless aspect is usually taken as unsociable. Which is accurate. This is not just due to hs heritage or personality, but also an effect of his lesai addiction.
  
  
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  Metro is as honest and open as he feels he can be about material issues without bringing about disadvantage to himself, but prefers other guess how he feels. This can leave others guessing a lot because past experience taught him that concealing information and leaving others guessing was necessary to survive, and furthermore, that any selfless generosity he gives others will be used against him eventually.
  
  The guarded behavior towards others that would normally result is contrasted with his ambition, which comes from some place deeper. It's asks him to take risks instead. The compromise between these facets is to add two others, his intelligence and patience, to hold off on dangerous actions until he can come up with a gambit that equally maximizes gain while minimizing risk, and to turn what appear into disadvantages into gains.
  
  
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  Metropolis was born Qorus Qorus on the planet of Umbara to a small dynastic family. His father, Cel Qorus, feared plots to eliminate them and take the family holdings, particularly from two larger power hungry families, the Sares and Decc families, which neighbored them. Looking to pre-empt this and receive protection from the Sares family it was arranged that the young Qorus would be sent as a hostage to the Sares at the age of two. Living with the Sares Qorus received the typical well rounded education befitting a Umbaran noble and was able to observe the inner workings of the Sares family as if he were one.
  
  Despite his father's maneuvering disaster still struck, but not to the Qorus family. When the young Qorus Qorus was fourteen, a member of the Sares family was caught plotting against Umbaran leadership by the Decc. Supposedly. Qorus was only spared as he was not a Sares, and he was one of the few. As is typical of Umabaran Justice. He expected to be taken hostage by the Decc family, but when he was returned home he immediately suspected it was to prepare an elimination of himself and his family instead. The young Qorus fled the planet the day he was freed, to live with one the few remaining Sares he knew were hiding in Hutt Space. Within a span of weeks his two sisters Synn and Mell, his mother Nedjj, and his father Cel were sentenced and executed. As is typical of Umbaran justice.
  
  There took no time to mourn. Simply to plot, plot within the challenge of the crime infested city he had moved to, driven by his ambitions and a need for credits to fulfill them. To his surprise he found his skills allowed him to navigate the streets more like a native than the clueless outsider he actually was. Those skills were also in high demand. Qorus took on odd jobs for different Hutt gangs, and occasionally Imperial ones. One day he made a joke that he would take over the city, and a boss with a sense of humor began calling him Metropolis. With a heavy dose of sarcasm. Qorus had already changed his name to Mesa Ohms when he left Umbara, but it was this nickname that stuck. Even Qorus started introducing himself as Metropolis, usually shortened to Metro.
  
  Metro eventually also caught the eye of a Sith recruiter and the origins of his ease with Nar Shadaa. Seeing opportunity to learn powerful skills he took up the offer to learn. He would take lessons during the day and continue working in the city at night. The cultural divide was immediately apparent, as Metro's ideas of power had grown to be very different from the Sith's. Cutting into his hustles and finding the lessons too slow he quit, determined to learn the force on his own terms. After all, old masters wrote things down like everyone else, why did he need to learn from teachers only a decade or two more advanced than he?
  
  Eventually an ugly gang war erupted on Nar Shadaa, like a climatic event unique to slums. As a gang affiliate Metro was a possible target and had to take the typical precautions. In Umbara you had to hide any lawbreaking, and until your enemies could find any you were free to walk the streets; In Nar Shadaa you could openly break the law, but your enemies could as well. They could quite easily walk up to you and blast you in the back of the head. So Metro learned to hide and protect his physical presence. Never taking the same route, changing the areas and people he visited, his appearance and even name, always watching the behavior of strangers, making sure even his friends hadn't acquired a reason to kill him.
  
  The gang war ended when those who were still alive were satisfied with those that weren't, and business returned to whatever passes for normal in Hutt space. A different, much larger war then took its place and wracked the galaxy. Seeing more opportunity in the cracks formed by that conflict off-world Metropolis decided to expand his dealings to smuggling and whatever other odd criminal jobs he could pick up beyond his current orbit. Being part of a bounty hunting and security firm was the best way to travel the hyper-lanes with weapons and restricted tools without getting into trouble, so he started an anonymous holding company, with only one holding: A business to provide cover for his shadier dealings.
  
  
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  Personal Transport Droid Businesses

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    1x A10 Long Blaster
    1x DH-7 Blaster Pistol
    1x Guardian Hold Out Blaster
    1x Vibro-knuckles
    1x Encrypted datachip w/ Vix Holding Group deed
    1x Plasteel Briefcase
    
    • Signal Tracer
    • Port Scanner
    • Bounty Hunter's License
    • Datapad
    • 2x Breaching Charges
    • 2x Smoke Grenades
    
    
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    Overhead-class Freighter
    
    • 1x 'Yellow Box' Emergency Vessel Repair Kit
    • 4x spare datapad
    
    AM-7 Adventurer
    
    
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    MR4-series Protocol Droid
    
    KLT-series Astromech Droid - helps pilot Overhead-class Freighter
    
    
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    Vix Holding Group

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      Formed using Nar Shadaa's anonymous business registration laws, this company has no employees, capital, or owner on record. It's only asessts are other businesses. Ownership of the holding company is proven with possession of an encrypted datachip containing the deed. This lets Metropolis own businesses while shielding his identity.
      
      
      WYP

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        What's Your Problem?
        Boutique Defensive & Investigative Solutions Company
        Company Assets include Metro's weapons, tracking and slicing tools, droids, and his Overhead-class Freighter; for tax and legal purposes. Most sales are obtained when Metro forces Mete to fish for clients at seedy cantinas and other disreputable locations people hire bounty hunters at. If there was a good payday and she is lucky, Mete is sometimes sent to more upscale establishments, like ones with working toilets.
        
        Employees:
        
        Mete Mien - Female Twi'lek NPC - secretary and personal assistant. Metro hunted her down as an escaped slave, but instead of bringing her back to her owner he found her intelligent and attractive enough to serve as a representative of his company. He decided to let her go, but only if she worked for him for five years. Mete agreed. She's technically Metro's slave now, but is contractually bound not to discuss this, even with Metro, under penalty of increasing her service by a year. She's a total bitch with those she considers beneath her, which is most everyone, at least when Metro isn't in earshot, and has lost Metro as much business as she's gained him.
        
        

Threads Relationships RP Hooks

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  None yet.
  
  
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  None yet.
  
  
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  If Metro is successful in eventually forming a future criminal organization, current employees of his business(es) may automatically ascend to lieutenants if they wish. Lieutenants will lead lower ranking members on criminal activities and/or manage front businesses to conceal the organization's activities. Metro is currently hiring for his own front, a bounty hunting and security company. He needs the following:
  
  
  • Pilot
  • Engineer
  • Slicer
  • Femme/Homme Fatale
    
  • Some tough guys that can shoot guns and grunt and stuff
  
  Metro may be hired for the following things through his front company:
  
  
  • Investigations
  • Penetration Testing
  • Bounty Hunting
  • Fixing Problems
  
  Metro may be hired for the following things through an underworld contact:
  
  
  • Industrial Espionage
  • Regular Espionage
  • Smuggling
  • Theft
  • Fixing Problems (you can't tell anyone about)
  
  PM or discord (Lets Awesome) me if one of these interest you, or you've come up with something yourself.
  
  

Once someone confirms the inventory is the same as the original, I'll edit the original and this can remain as a reference? It was the simplest way of doing this I could think of.

@TWD26 Could I get a clarification on why Caran fires on the cabbie? It contradicts previous behavior and thoughts, including ones in the same post. Thanks.

 

[TWD26]

1.) Equipment edits don't take effect until after this thread.

2.) I shot the cabbie because I saw two plain clothes guys lurking about the area, get into a cab and begin to drive off. How do I know if you planet a bomb or terrorists? You never made yourself present within the operation, and Imperial Army isn't aware that Imperial Intelligence is on the job. I shot the NPC because you guys were driving away, I'm trying to neutralize any sort of threat that could kill the Moff's wife.

3.) For contradictions, if you are bringing up why I didn't kill the droid. The Droid appears as a normal droid, has cooperated with us throughout the thread entirely, and before you joined we were going to allow and work with Clayton's droid to complete the investigation and interrogation of the ex-wife, under the contradiction she was kept alive and not used for bait.

4.) I won't take back shooting the NPC. NPC's aren't supposed to be game changers in PvP.

 

[LA]

Well, your character would know we passed the checkpoint, Maverick was wearing Imperial armor as has been described in the thread more than once, Caran already thought that the job had no coordination so had reason to assume incompetence rather than evildoers, he must have heard Metropolis wave and say goodbye because he was in a position where he expected to both be heard when he called out to the cab and hear a response back, and did not kill a suspect who lurched forward and challenged him after not complying with orders to stop in a previous thread. A fear over a bomb threat, terrorists or rebels was both not mentioned in the post or any posts previous and even then shooting the cab driver would do nothing about a planted bomb, and stopping them would make it more likely they would kill the wife, as they now they are closer to Soma due to the car crashing, not farther away and could simply shoot back while Caran was focused on the driver and now would have had to fight to avoid getting captured.

And if terrorists and such are a problem, well a terrorist droid interrogating the wife would still pose a greater threat to her than human terrorists dressed as Imperials supposedly fleeing the scene. Furthermore, the droid was given a chance to cooperate. The cab driver was written as not cooperating by you. And if that was the fear, which by the way I would still have trouble accepting, the response would have been to shout at and then shoot Metropolis before he got in, because he was not wearing any imperial identifier, but who was putting up a shield, can't be autohit or godmoded, and was calmly saying gooodbye. Can you understand where I'm coming from that it feels very OOC?

#4 gives you the precise reason why you should edit it. You had an NPC act in such a way that it gives your character both the time to shout a warning consisting of three sentences, in between them turning on the car (Not sure why it would be off, I've never seen a cabbie turn their car off to drop passengers off, and certainly not when they're nervous about leaving) and hitting the gas, which established that he was not to move, then had that NPC not respond and try to drive off anyways, only to give your character a supposed excuse to kill that NPC, and then have that NPC die in such a way that they crash an airspeeder into a tree with two PCs in it. That's using an NPC in a way that influences PVP signifcantly more than simply driving an airspeeder, which could easily be done if the NPC wasn't there.

Furthermore, there was no PvP going on yet. The very first attack in the thread can't be killing a NPC to prevent an effect on combat, when there wasn't even a reason for combat before the attack. As such, you've already given an argument yourself why you should avoid shooting the NPC. You used one in a very precise to crash a car with PCs in it and to start combat where there would be no reason for it otherwise. Do you get why #4 gives you a reason to edit?

Unless you have some other arguments. I'd be willing to hear them, of course. I'd rather not jump to report without hearing your side as the charge of using NPCs for combat advantage according to the site rules is rather serious, you understand?

@TWD26

 

[Nor'baal]

Two things;

- @Ulysses you're up
- @Nor'baal you're gonna need to edit - The wife is crouched behind a bed, you're not going to be able to see her legs to shoot at them or anything aside from her upper body

My chap doesn't know that however, so these actions would still go ahead - the leg shot just won't hit :-)