Coruscant/Street: Friendly Showdown

[Arcangel]

"He drank in the Light Side and pushed far his limits. He was one with the Force, a maelstrom of Light surrounded by the Dark."

He's not dead and transcended to be a blue hologram, so ... that leaves only one thing, eh Big Boss? Maybe you should tell that to him and not to me?



Then why oh why do we have a guy achieving Oneness, which in current canon, should be an esoteric art known only to a precious few?

I believe you are getting a tad bit too hung up on what you percieve the word to mean. I see a clear difference between being one with the force, and achieving a state of oneness. Being one with the force would simply mean he is drawing/communing with the force at a greater level than normal, likely allowing it to heavily influence his actions and fuel him. Oneness would be a physical and metaphysical state where you cease to exist as yourself and simply become a vehicle for the force.

At least thats my reading of things. I would highly suggest instead of jumping to conclusions, maybe talk to the writer in question and ask them what they intended.

 

[Uleni]

Assumptions, eh?

I invite you two to use the very same descriptions he used when he did his thing and present them to any random person on this site. Just out of the blue, present them with a character

who drinks in the one side of the Force,
pushes past his limits,
becomes one with said Force (EDIT: don't forget to emphasize one with italics, btw)
and stands as maelstrom of said alignment amidst a sea of the opposite alignment.

To me right now, you guys seem to forget the whole package of how he conveyed it, and how it could look to other people.

 

[Logan]

I would advise you to take the word of the moderator and move on.

 

[Uleni]

Pray, what would happen if I didn't? I'm not asking this to be rebellious idiot or anything but I'm just genuinely curious. Am I going to face a ban for replying in a thread?

 

[Logan]

I think it would behoove you to take a realistic look at what you're so bent out of shape over. This is cPvP, no ones characters are at stake here. Maybe your thread mate went a little hyperbolic, maybe you misunderstood his intention - who cares.

If you really find it prudent to argue over something so trivial that's on you. I just know I wouldn't do the same if i was in the same position.

Perhaps you should note the "friendly" part of this thread's title and apply it to this situation.

 

[Uleni]

Hey — you said it yourself. No one's characters are at stake here.

But apparently someone forgot the memo and found it worthwhile to not only ignore my reasonable offer to tone down something what he perceived as overboard but backpedal on what he posted earlier— which, if you think about the way it was presented, was also a little overboard. Then a little precious sweetheart comes a bouncing with a spring on his step, claiming that I did two things which, if one had working eyes, one would find to be untrue.

To be completely Francis-Assisi with you guys, I'm all good with the former. I'm still willing to compromise and reach a satisfying conclusion to this little jibber-jabber between me and this Valen dude (even though a Mod is reviewing it now kek). It's all meant in fun, anyway.

But @TWD26? That's the second time you're spreading wrong information. If you can back up what you claimed earlier, good; let's see the proof of me violating the rules regarding auto-hitting during PvP, cinematic or otherwise.

 

[Clayton]

Pray, what would happen if I didn't? I'm not asking this to be rebellious idiot or anything but I'm just genuinely curious. Am I going to face a ban for replying in a thread?

You would get an infraction.

 

[Uleni]

You would get an infraction.

Thanks for the enlightenment lol

 

[Arcangel]

So reading back on this OOC, @Valen Pelora pretty clearly explained that he did not mean being one with the force the way you are interpreting it. As far as im concerned that clears that issue up, as he has clearly clarified what he meant.

As far as concerns over an auto hit, while it may not technically be an auto hit, there really isnt enough detail about the strikes to come up with an adequate defense. I understand this is more akin to cPvP than competitive, but there still isnt a whole lot to go off in the post as far as what to defend against. Now @Uleni , im sure you don't want to have to go and write exactly where and how each of the 40 or 70 or whatever strikes are intended to land, so i would suggest you tone it back further to avoid such a hassle. Which brings me to another point.

Shared time. In pvp, 10 seconds is a long time to cover in the length of one post, as the usual method is action, followed by reaction then action, and so forth. So for 1, 70 strikes in 10 seconds is fairly ridiculous, even with them being barely committed short jabs or something, and 2, such a lengthy amount of time in your post leaves you extremely vulnerable to being interupted, having every action after the point of interupt voided by the actions of your opponent.

EDIT: If you are still willing to work with your opponent to come to a suitable compromise thats great, means i dont have to put my foot down with a solid ruling.

 

[Uleni]

16 strikes in total, split in two seconds. This is a huge concession.

Keep in mind, my character is abnormally fast even without the force and since he's drawing upon it to bolster his offensive, I don't need to tell you guys that this offered output is ridiculously minimal to what he should normally be able to do under the current circumstances.

I gave. Now it's up for someone to take.

 

[Prudence]

16 strikes in total, split in two seconds. This is a huge concession.

Keep in mind, my character is abnormally fast even without the force and since he's drawing upon it to bolster his offensive, I don't need to tell you guys that this offered output is ridiculously minimal to what he should normally be able to do under the current circumstances.

I gave. Now it's up for someone to take.

Uh.. that's not too much of a concession imo. I'm no battle mod, but I am an AFL for your faction and I can tell you that 16 strikes in 2 seconds is actually more strikes a second than before. Previously you were delivering 7 a second, which was absurd. Now you're delivering eight a second which is more absurd. It would be stretching it to get 3-4 strikes in a second and they would be sloppy, poorly aimed, and weak.

 

[Uleni]

Uh.. that's not too much of a concession imo. I'm no battle mod, but I am an AFL for your faction and I can tell you that 16 strikes in 2 seconds is actually more strikes a second than before. Previously you were delivering 7 a second, which was absurd. Now you're delivering eight a second which is more absurd. It would be stretching it to get 3-4 strikes in a second and they would be sloppy, poorly aimed, and weak.

Yeah, I know it strikes one additional time than what I did previously, thanks for pointing that out btw, but what's 16 against the initial 70/60/50/40? JFC, I could understand if this concern was raised in a real competitive PvP but this is cinematic, ain't it? No one's going to die and we're allowed to stretch stuff out in the name of drama, yeah? We have a guy here who can apparently conjure up a lifelike illusion of himself using water (which raises its own questions and implications) but 8strikes/1sec is something that's beyond the pale?

 

[Prudence]

Yeah, I know it strikes one additional time than what I did previously, thanks for pointing that out btw, but what's 16 against the initial 70/60/50/40? JFC, I could understand if this concern was raised in a real competitive PvP but this is cinematic, ain't it? No one's going to die and we're allowed to stretch stuff out in the name of drama, yeah? We have a guy here who can apparently conjure up a lifelike illusion of himself using water (which raises its own questions and implications) but 8strikes/1sec is something that's beyond the pale?

A good comparison is not "Yeah what I was doing was extraordinarily OP and this is less OP so what is this considering how OP that was?" Looking at 8 swings a second based on its own merit is too many swings a second. You would not be able to make a full swing in time to aim another and make it at 8 a second. It can't stand for the same reason that your previous 70/10 couldn't stand, as that you're just zooming in on the time frame more, and adding an additional strike.

 

[Logan]

Yeah, I know it strikes one additional time than what I did previously, thanks for pointing that out btw, but what's 16 against the initial 70/60/50/40? JFC, I could understand if this concern was raised in a real competitive PvP but this is cinematic, ain't it? No one's going to die and we're allowed to stretch stuff out in the name of drama, yeah? We have a guy here who can apparently conjure up a lifelike illusion of himself using water (which raises its own questions and implications) but 8strikes/1sec is something that's beyond the pale?

Yes. It is. Continuing to argue like this over something so ridiculous will result in disciplinary action on a faction level. This sort of reaction to moderator, faction leader, and assisstant faction leaders telling you something isn't acceptable.

I will ask that you fix your attitude and continue the thread, or it is my suggestion that @Arclight rule on this and give you time to cool off.

 

[Valen Pelora]

I'm disappointed in the turn that this took, especially given the success we were having keeping the thread enjoyable and "dramatic." I don't want this to derail the thread.

I'm more than willing to have to fend off a handful of strikes in a condensed period of time. I just need an idea of what I'm defending against.

The combat portion of the thread is likely coming to a close anyways as the Coruscant threads end and we have called for evacuation.

 

[Uleni]

This is amazing. Truly, it is. In a fictional world where space monks can do superhuman/supernatural feats, offensive or otherwise, something as inconsequential as a speedy barrage of strikes is looked at as too much. In a fictional world where those aforementioned space monks can deflect a barrage of blaster bolts right back at their shooters, which would require rapid-fast reaction times mind you, defending 8 strokes per second is apparently in the realm of impossibility.

You guys have officially lost me here.

But whatever.

There's no handful of strikes you're going to defend against, BTW. I'm out. One of the purposes of this little PvP was me getting an idea how the system worked; well now I know and now I see no reason why I should keep RPing here.

 

[Valen Pelora]

This is amazing. Truly, it is. In a fictional world where space monks can do superhuman/supernatural feats, offensive or otherwise, something as inconsequential as a speedy barrage of strikes is looked at as too much. In a fictional world where those aforementioned space monks can deflect a barrage of blaster bolts right back at their shooters, which would require rapid-fast reaction times mind you, defending 8 strokes per second is apparently in the realm of impossibility.

You guys have officially lost me here.

But whatever.

There's no handful of strikes you're going to defend against, BTW. I'm out. One of the purposes of this little PvP was me getting an idea how the system worked; well now I know and now I see no reason why I should keep RPing here.

I would suggest taking 24 hours or more to think this over. Some time away can help. However, if you still feel this way by the time it's my turn to post I'll write you out of the thread in a nonlethal or maiming fashion.

Of course, you can edit your post to leave the thread as well. I would hope we could return to why we started this thread and just have some fun, while being respectfully to everyone's characters.

 

[TWD26]

This is amazing. Truly, it is. In a fictional world where space monks can do superhuman/supernatural feats, offensive or otherwise, something as inconsequential as a speedy barrage of strikes is looked at as too much. In a fictional world where those aforementioned space monks can deflect a barrage of blaster bolts right back at their shooters, which would require rapid-fast reaction times mind you, defending 8 strokes per second is apparently in the realm of impossibility.

You guys have officially lost me here.

But whatever.

There's no handful of strikes you're going to defend against, BTW. I'm out. One of the purposes of this little PvP was me getting an idea how the system worked; well now I know and now I see no reason why I should keep RPing here.

I would like you to seriously reconsider, I was at school and couldn't respond. In terms of my argument, there wasn't any direct hits that you mentioned, but the wording implied that you laid a barrage of consecutive jabs at close range, thus leaving the reader to assume they were being struck. You have a great talent for writing and all of your posts are really well written, I just think you should think it over. Honestly, 4-5 a second would seem reasonable. This is all boils down due to assumptions on all sides, including myself--so I'm sorry if I came off as hostile and for jumping to conclusions on somethings.

 

[Clayton]

Look, bottom line is anime-style fighting doesn't really translate well to Star Wars, and that includes ludicrously fast flurries of blows. That being said, I believe Valen Pelora has offered a good compromise.

 

[The Living Daylights]

Plus, Obi-Wan, when he was One with the Force, managed to stonewall Grievous' attacks completely, which were a whopping twenty-strikes per second. Since Valen is in a similar state (unless of course, he isn't), then what's to stop him from doing the same?

Actually, Obi-Wan's defense gets overloaded by Grievous' assault once the latter hits twenty strikes a second. And he's the master of Soresu. :)

Anyways, I'm going to try to catch up with the thread and I'll be quite busy from now on, so things might move slowly on my end. Sorry for any inconvenience that it causes.