Fedor Emelianenko, First "True" Loss

[Trakon]

The Former Heavyweight Champion of the World (by some) has finally lost in 1:09 in the first round against Fabricio Werdum.

Many probably don't care, but this is a huge upset.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Doesn't matter. GSP is beowulf.

 

[Crosby]

Damn, i was going to watch that earlier but i forgot. I was hoping arlvoski would beat him when they fought.

Doesn't matter. GSP is beowulf.

Dude STFU, gsp has nothing on anyone big above 170.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Dude STFU, gsp has nothing on anyone big above 170.

What's that I hear? Whining about how GSP would submit any mo-fo above 170 because size doesn't matter when he takes you down and bends your joints seven different ways to sunday?

 

[Mars]

Doesn't matter. GSP is beowulf.

Loll

Either way, this was huge. However, Lesnar vs Carwin is still for the #2 rank at best. Strikeforce still holds the best HW.

 

[Crosby]

What's that I hear? Whining about how GSP would submit any mo-fo above or seven different ways to sunday?

I would like to see him try submit Silva or Sonnen.

 

[Mars]

I would like to see him try submit Silva or Sonnen.

The MW division is a joke. I could honestly see GSP doing well up there.

 

[Crosby]

The MW division is a joke. I could honestly see GSP doing well up there.

He would do well but not dominate. fighters like him need to move up a weight class though.

 

[Mars]

He would do well but not dominate. fighters like him need to move up a weight class though.

No no. Fighters like Anthony Johnson need to move up a weight class. GSP is doin' work, leave him be. Eventually someone'll beat him, Fedor losing tonight proves anyone can lose. Hell, GSP proved it too, Serra anybody?

 

[Trakon]

See, GSP is in my opinion the Best Pound for Pound fighter in the world, based on the fact he's fought top fighters (Barring Dan Hardy), and whupped their asses.

Anderson Silva? Patrick Cote, Demian Maia, Thales Leites don't count. That said, Chael Sonnen will be his test, and if he screws up I will be happy.

There's really no one in the UFC's light heavyweight class that is up there for Pound for Pound, except maybe Shogun Rua and Forest Griffin.

Then their Heavyweight division will most likely have the next heavyweight champion (regardless of promotion), in Brock or Shane.

I hate Brock. I hope it's Shane.

 

[Mars]

See, GSP is in my opinion the Best Pound for Pound fighter in the world, based on the fact he's fought top fighters (Barring Dan Hardy), and whupped their asses.

Anderson Silva? Patrick Cote, Demian Maia, Thales Leites don't count. That said, Chael Sonnen will be his test, and if he screws up I will be happy.

There's really no one in the UFC's light heavyweight class that is up there for Pound for Pound, except maybe Shogun Rua and Forest Griffin.

Then their Heavyweight division will most likely have the next heavyweight champion (regardless of promotion), in Brock or Shane.

I hate Brock. I hope it's Shane.

Erhm. wha?

I agree with GSP being P4P as of now. His schedule is too strong to debate otherwise in all honesty.

Silva is an unlucky man. A lot of skill, in a weak division. I think Shogun would put a hurting on him. He has never fought a skilled striker, at all.

Shogun is in the P4P somewhere. He just KO'd Machida in the first, what more do you want from him? He's a complete package. Power, speed, cardio, technique.

Did you just put Forrest in P4P talks? He's halfway decent cause he's big and a hard worker. He's got no power standing and his technique isn't great either. His ground game is slightly above average but nothing to write home about IMO.

Werdum or Overreem would beat both Carwin and Lesnar. Actually, Lesnar may have a chance against Werdum, but Alistair would own them both.

 

[Rev]

Erhm. wha?

I agree with GSP being P4P as of now. His schedule is too strong to debate otherwise in all honesty.

Silva is an unlucky man. A lot of skill, in a weak division. I think Shogun would put a hurting on him. He has never fought a skilled striker, at all.

Shogun is in the P4P somewhere. He just KO'd Machida in the first, what more do you want from him? He's a complete package. Power, speed, cardio, technique.

Did you just put Forrest in P4P talks? He's halfway decent cause he's big and a hard worker. He's got no power standing and his technique isn't great either. His ground game is slightly above average but nothing to write home about IMO.

Werdum or Overreem would beat both Carwin and Lesnar. Actually, Lesnar may have a chance against Werdum, but Alistair would own them both.

GSP is definitely best P4P fighter in the world. Even looking at his Dan Hardy fight you can say he has fought some good fighters. Dan Hardy isn't a joke by any means, not a guy most people could walk over like GSP did.

Silva unlucky? How so? He's in a weak division, that might make him not appear to be as great of a fighter, but if it came down to it Silva beats GSP. You look at these two fighters and Silva has more tools, not only that he's the bigger fighter. GSP would have to move up to fight Silva, not the other way around, and that would hurt Pierre. Regardless I think it would be a great fight, I just think Silva's reach and abilities outweigh GSP's.

I also agree with Shogun being a great P4P fighter, I think when you look at it you have to say it's GSP, Silva, BJ Penn (when he isn't being lazy) and Carwin. Putting Forrest in there made me laugh, did you see his fight against Silva? I love Forrest, he's an entertaining and great fighter, but by no means is he the champ he was 2 years ago, and I dont see him ever getting back there.

I look at Strikeforce then at UFC and I can't legitimately say they have better fighters. They have some greats and some of their fights are really great watches, but their events are always bland and tend to go to decision more than anything else. The only fights that are good are the Heavyweight fights, that said that is where the UFC lacks, but not nearly as bad as they lack it in the middleweight division. They are starting to push their Heavyweight division a little further and in a year I would almost guarantee it will contend with Strikeforce. The only person that really is holding Strikeforce together is Fedor. Now that he lost I bet fanboys are going to leave as the only reason they watched was for him, much like people were with Urijah Faber and the WEC, after he lost number of viewers dropped dramatically.

I suppose only time will tell with Silva and GSP. Rest of it is rubbish haha

 

[Mars]

GSP is definitely best P4P fighter in the world. Even looking at his Dan Hardy fight you can say he has fought some good fighters. Dan Hardy isn't a joke by any means, not a guy most people could walk over like GSP did.

Dan Hardy is a solid fighter, to argue that is madness. Even his next fight in Koscheck is a very good one. I'm curious to see if Kos can take GSP down. The man has some absurdly good credentials for wrestling to go along with vicious power.

Silva unlucky? How so? He's in a weak division, that might make him not appear to be as great of a fighter, but if it came down to it Silva beats GSP. You look at these two fighters and Silva has more tools, not only that he's the bigger fighter. GSP would have to move up to fight Silva, not the other way around, and that would hurt Pierre. Regardless I think it would be a great fight, I just think Silva's reach and abilities outweigh GSP's.

Silva is unlucky in that he has no true challenge in his weight class. Belfort and Sonnen are both very legit challengers both The Spider is going to be a heavy favorite either way. He's too big and skilled at 185 to be touched IMO. If GSP had a few more inches of height and was a tad bit bulkier, he would abuse Silva quite badly I think. His takedowns are like lightning and his top game is second to none. I personally think Silva needs to move up.

I also agree with Shogun being a great P4P fighter, I think when you look at it you have to say it's GSP, Silva, BJ Penn (when he isn't being lazy) and Carwin. Putting Forrest in there made me laugh, did you see his fight against Silva? I love Forrest, he's an entertaining and great fighter, but by no means is he the champ he was 2 years ago, and I dont see him ever getting back there.

Wait....Carwin? How so? All he has for offense is a basic 1-2 combo. Yeah, he has power but he has the strike versatility of Kimbo Slice. His size is a huge reason he is succesful and if you took a fighter of a similar skill set and put him in another division he wouldn't be very good. I like Forrest as well, but honestly think the Gods were smiling on him when he got the belt. An injured Shogun and a psycho Rampage. I'd pay for a Shogun rematch just to watch Mauricio avenge his loss in devastating fashion.

I look at Strikeforce then at UFC and I can't legitimately say they have better fighters. They have some greats and some of their fights are really great watches, but their events are always bland and tend to go to decision more than anything else. The only fights that are good are the Heavyweight fights, that said that is where the UFC lacks, but not nearly as bad as they lack it in the middleweight division. They are starting to push their Heavyweight division a little further and in a year I would almost guarantee it will contend with Strikeforce. The only person that really is holding Strikeforce together is Fedor. Now that he lost I bet fanboys are going to leave as the only reason they watched was for him, much like people were with Urijah Faber and the WEC, after he lost number of viewers dropped dramatically.
I suppose only time will tell with Silva and GSP. Rest of it is rubbish haha

I didn't say that Strikeforce>UFC. What I was saying is that Overreem or Werdum SHOULD hold the #1 spot. The problem now is the opposite of what GSP faces, a length of schedule strength at the top of the division. For example, Lesars current streak is really not that impressive nor is Carwins. The outcome of Carwin's fights are pretty on paper, but even against weak competition he's gotten rocked (Neil Wane). Ranking the top heavyweights has gone from it being based on who has the best wins to who seems like the best. IMO, it's Overreem. He is a massive fighter with the best standup in the division(there's no arguing that) and a world class ground game. The losses on his record come from when he was young and in the wrong weight class and fighting superstars in their prime.

 

[Crosby]

Lol if you think Forrest griffon is one of the best P4P you have to be on crack.