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[Faded]

Well, yes, but the 2 bolts are coming (more or less) at the same time while Sarla is in the process of moving to throw a grenade directly to her right and far away. That, and she's using the Force to make it fly farther, which requires concentration. In order to avoid damage, she'd have to start moving out of the way as the first bolt approaches, get hit, and dodge the second by diving or something. Even if she takes one hit, she wouldn't have the necessary concentration to use the Force on the grenade and her aim would be off from getting hit by a bolt.

Also it has previously been ruled that if someone times out a teammate interrupting attacks coming their way can save them.

Yes you are right that in cases of time out, teammates interrupts or defenses can help. But just like in other aspects of PvP, the defense has to be valid. Based on the fact that Ecc is a level 1, and not using advanced tech guns, it’s harder to imagine that he could fully prevent her throw with his interrupt. Also, keep in mind explosives aren’t precision weapons, so even if she can’t fully land the grenade where she was intending to, it can still cause damage.

Basically, we don’t feel Ecc interrupt is valid to fully prevent the grenade throw. And that’s why the autohit connects.

 

[vamp]

Yes you are right that in cases of time out, teammates interrupts or defenses can help. But just like in other aspects of PvP, the defense has to be valid. Based on the fact that Ecc is a level 1, and not using advanced tech guns, it’s harder to imagine that he could fully prevent her throw with his interrupt. Also, keep in mind explosives aren’t precision weapons, so even if she can’t fully land the grenade where she was intending to, it can still cause damage.

Basically, we don’t feel Ecc interrupt is valid to fully prevent the grenade throw. And that’s why the autohit connects.

I think we might as well ask for a report. You guys have been very reasonable and your point is understandable, but I can't help but disagree and it seems we prolly won't get anywhere if we keep debating.

 

[GABA]

Alright a few things, because in Phoe's most recent announcement, this report demonstrates what we don't want to see, more specifically:

I took one, other missed and @vamp and I did not kill you, I buried you.
Report if you wish

Statements like this is exactly what Phoe and the PvP team said not to do.

So here we go:

RULING:

1. If you have an issue with the timing of events in your opponent's post, then you need to address it before you post. Because of this, @Ecclessey post stands as is, which leads me to:

2. Just because you don't believe a defense is good, it doesn't mean you get to just ignore it all together and write what you want @Sabrina, your post is all over the place in timing and you need to be more receptive to player feedback in fixing this issue. This also means, you cannot back-peddle on your attacks and set them up so they're convenient to you. The first grenade thrown was to Elix's location which you didn't dispute that it missed as per Eccel's post; Elix now shoots Sarla when she throws the second grenade meant to hit vamp's jedi. Because Sarla left herself open during the grenade throw, Elix's interrupt is successful and Sarla receives two bolts to the stomach area, her wounds are critical and if she does not receive medical attention immediately, they could be fatal quickly.

So with that, all rulings are final and not up for debate.

In addition, no where in this discussion was there a compromise and I don't understand why there was an issue really because the interrupt was not inadequate, levels really have nothing to do with this, and if vamp's jedi was going to survive, but needed to take damage, then what is the big deal here. Lets get real here guys, you can all do so much better than this.

@vamp @Faded Truth

 

[Sabrina]

@GABA edited, also we did chat we used discord.
EcclesseyYesterday at 19:00


Your timing in that post is really -really- wrong, perhaps you're willing to take a look at it and/or ask advice from a fellow Sith?


SabrinaYesterday at 19:02


I am not that bothered, I am leaving site after this fight



which is off



I have open and ready



well what is the edit you want?


EcclesseyYesterday at 19:15


I am sorry to hear you are leaving



The timing that's off is mostly the fact that my character's shots would reach you as or before you throw your grenade at vamp's character (and not after).



Forcing you to choose between defending or throwing a grenade


SabrinaYesterday at 19:17


I did not defend



I got shot, and one missed



I can take both hits, but they will hit diffrent areas


EcclesseyYesterday at 19:27


Shots dont magically miss. If you don't defend then there's two bolts hitting roughly at the same spot and putting you out of the fight.


SabrinaYesterday at 19:28


shots do not automatically hit, your aim could be off

 

[vamp]

@GABA edited, also we did chat we used discord.
EcclesseyYesterday at 19:00


Your timing in that post is really -really- wrong, perhaps you're willing to take a look at it and/or ask advice from a fellow Sith?


SabrinaYesterday at 19:02


I am not that bothered, I am leaving site after this fight



which is off



I have open and ready



well what is the edit you want?


EcclesseyYesterday at 19:15


I am sorry to hear you are leaving



The timing that's off is mostly the fact that my character's shots would reach you as or before you throw your grenade at vamp's character (and not after).



Forcing you to choose between defending or throwing a grenade


SabrinaYesterday at 19:17


I did not defend



I got shot, and one missed



I can take both hits, but they will hit diffrent areas


EcclesseyYesterday at 19:27


Shots dont magically miss. If you don't defend then there's two bolts hitting roughly at the same spot and putting you out of the fight.


SabrinaYesterday at 19:28


shots do not automatically hit, your aim could be off

You still haven't edited out the part about Levi

 

[Sabrina]

Levi got hit, as I left myself open during the grenade throw.

@vamp
That's correct @GABA

 

[Eccles]

Eh, so is there still confusion on whether or not @Sabrina got the grenade off?

 

[Sabrina]

@Ecclessey the bit before the underlined says I get shot because I threw the grenade. Though as said I don't care ether way, as I am leaving.

@Faded Truth post, can edit if needed, but don't time out.

 

[Eccles]

If you were in the process of throwing when you got hit, then the grenade would fall near you and @Faded Truth, @Sabrina.

It might be easier to treat the shots as intended, namely to interupt the grenade being thrown (which succeeded per ruling).

 

[Sabrina]

If you were in the process of throwing when you got hit, then the grenade would fall near you and @Faded Truth, @Sabrina.

It might be easier to treat the shots as intended, namely to interupt the grenade being thrown (which succeeded per ruling).

Then I would be dead, as its a thermal detonator. Not mortality wounded as ruling said.

 

[Eccles]

Which is why I suggest we say "in the process of throwing" is more like "Sarla grabbed the grenade but didnt manage to activate it before getting shot".

@Sabrina @Faded Truth @vamp

 

[Sabrina]

I rather wait for @GABA to clarify, though I may be wrong. I still rather wait, so I don't let faded down, which is only reason I carried on posting.

 

[Sabrina]

Also even if my attack goes off, @vamp will not die, as killing people characters without them consenting just sucks. Which is one reasons, I am calling it a day. Though if you come to an ooc, agreement with @Faded Truth while waiting for it, I will happily edit.

 

[Eccles]

Wait, this may be unrelated to the PvP, but you are leaving the site because of character deaths in PvP despite the recent announcement that pretty much puts a stop to it? @Sabrina

 

[Sabrina]

@Ecclessey there are other reasons

 

[Faded]

@Sabrina @vamp @Ecclessey

Lol, I wake up to quite the number of alerts on this thread. Anyways, so what’s the discussion regarding? I read GABA ruling. Seems the grenade was effectively interrupted, so we continue with my turn?

 

[Sabrina]

@Faded Truth if you read it that way, no worries, I die now and save me any further issues with being on site.

 

[GABA]

I don't know what is the issue here. The grenade attack against vamp's Jedi was interrupted, which means, his Jedi is fine and the grenade never gets thrown.

 

[Sabrina]

Elix now shoots Sarla when she throws the second grenade meant to hit vamp's jedi. Because Sarla left herself open during the grenade throw, Elix's interrupt is successful and Sarla receives two bolts to the stomach area, her wounds are critical and if she does not receive medical attention immediately, they could be fatal quickly.

So with that, all rulings are final and not up for debate.

@vamp @Faded Truth

@vamp @Faded Truth @Ecclessey
The bit I underlined, anyway have fun all, and bye.

 

[Faded]

@Faded Truth if you read it that way, no worries, I die now and save me any further issues with being on site.

Why are you dying? The ruling says you get injured....