Guns and Armor made simple.

[Orphen]

A lightsaber doesn't melt things unfortunatly. Bullets, unlike a blast door, aren't that dense. So, reguardless as to the rate of fire, the bullets fired would almost literally deatomise from the heat. Lightsabers are well hot enough to rip apart the chemical bonds of a piece of metal so that all that's left of the bullet on impact if anything, is a little sparkshow... maybe.

though, the advantage of using a bullet on a lightsaber is that the lightsaber doesn't deflect it. Meaning you subtract an advantage / weapon from your opponent. Also, there's the option of caseless ballistic micromissiles as an ammunition option. Though, hellishly expensive, and i don't wanna give jiang the chance to tyrade on that option XD

It's OP as **** and simply using it would break the RP in the right hands. Mostly in implication.

 

[Cisco]

though, the advantage of using a bullet on a lightsaber is that the lightsaber doesn't deflect it. Meaning you subtract an advantage / weapon from your opponent.

Actually, there's more advantages to bullets against lightsabers than simply not being able to be shot back at you.

 

[Jiang Winters]

Don't even get me started on 'micromissile' ammo for standard slugthrowers, I'll end up throttling someone. Not because of how OP it is [because it's really not] but because of how hilariously impractical, expensive, and completely ineffective such ammo would be. I'll go on a rant about it if you'd like, but otherwise take me at face value here - any micromissile capable of being fired from a standard rifle would be inferior to a standard bullet in every way, shape, and form.

Also, bayonets are pretty much useless on high-powered rifles. Using a rifle as a stabby object is only going to **** it up nowadays, and bayonet charges are borderline suicidal; it's why you rarely see modern assault rifles mounted with bayonets. The impact from a bayonet thrust has a possibility of throwing most sights out of alignment, and on a precision weapon, it may well throw the barrel out of alignment as a lot of sniper rifles have 'free floating' barrels, meaning they aren't sturdily fixed to the stock. It's a bad idea, and it makes the gunsmith inside me cry a little. If you're that desperate for a CQC solution, take a fighting knife and stick it in a sheath on the front of your vest.

As for the effectiveness of bullets vs lightsabers, a lightsaber can't block a bullet. It can vaporize smaller slugs, sure, but against heavier slugs there's nothing to stop the projectile from simply melting around the blade and striking the wielder. Furthermore, bullets are borderline invisible unless they're a tracer round, they don't have an energy signature, and they move fast. Thousands of feet per second fast. A bullet will cross a big room in a fraction of a fraction of a second. Slugthrowers boast a much higher refire rate than blasters, and can lay down a withering wall of fire in a right proper hurry when in capable hands. Their high rate of fire and high projectile speed combine to make them a very difficult weapon for Force Users to cope with; there's a lot of fire to track and attempt to dodge, and unless you're capable of moving a few hundred feet per second yourself, there's no way to dodge it. You also can't completely stop bullets without applying an equal and opposite force to them, which would take an impossibly strong Force Push.

This is why, canonically, mercenaries expecting to fight Jedi take lots of automatic slugthrowers, and they're considered to be very effective anti-Jedi weapons in the SW universe. Don't underestimate them.

Also, lightsabers do melt things, Nite. Proof: Every time a saber is used against metal ever. Episode I, when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn are cutting through a blast door, the metal is melting around the saber. Not "deatomizing", it's chemical bonds aren't breaking, it's melting. Lightsabers are, for all intents and purposes, contained 'rods' of superheated plasma capable of functioning as a blade-like weapon. The exact functioning of the saber defies science, true, but that doesn't stop the fact that it destroys things by cutting right through them using intense heat. :3

 

[Insanity]

There's already a weapon type made for 'micromissiles'... It's the shotgun and it uses buckshot and slugs.

Now, if you want to talk about an actual missile that you fire and then breaks apart into smaller missiles to hit in a wider AoE, then yeah, that'd be pretty effective and a pain in the ass to NOT get pwned by.

 

[Green Ranger]

Ahahah I get it. It's cause you're a virgin!...right?

lolololol

 

[Deloi]

1. Why are there still bullets in a blaster day and age?
2. Why would I block bullets and blasters with my lightsaber when I have so many other Force options that make your bullet v.s lightsaber points mute? I.E Force Deflect or Force Protect. Put a bullet through those, I dare you.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

1. Why are there still bullets in a blaster day and age?
2. Why would I block bullets and blasters with my lightsaber when I have so many other Force options that make your bullet v.s lightsaber points mute? I.E Force Deflect or Force Protect. Put a bullet through those, I dare you.

 

[Nirvana]

1. Why are there still bullets in a blaster day and age?
2. Why would I block bullets and blasters with my lightsaber when I have so many other Force options that make your bullet v.s lightsaber points mute? I.E Force Deflect or Force Protect. Put a bullet through those, I dare you.

Because slugthrowers work.

But not all jedi/sith/fore users know how to use Force Deflect and Protect, and depending on the size and velocity of the bullet and impact would leave the user vulnerable.

But like i said earlier, depends on the size and velocity of the bullet. My guess only-

 

[BLADE]

A few things worth noting...

1. Blaster bolts still move relatively fast; depending on scaling (visual effects can be, admittedly somewhat inconsistent) upwards of hundreds of meters per second.

2. This means that Jedi precognition/reflexes are fairly impressive and would presumably allow Jedi, depending on experience of the character, skill of the RPer, and conditions (range, angle, etc.) to be relatively effective against slugthrowers of firearms of that sort. Again, relatively. These things are still good counter-measures.

3. As far as Force-based countermeasures? I would argue that the concentration required to pull off said maneuvers would disadvantage any prospective Force-user in combat time terms and that environmental manipulation and avoidance would be the more sagacious moves.

4. Of course, it goes without saying that ultimately the skill of the RPer as well as the needs of the storyline and the respective RPers (hopefully) is what decides how these things go, though even (I would argue especially) in competitive duel settings, both parties should be communicating so that combat can be compelling and cool and so that things don't devolve into "my cyber-penis is bigger than yours" ad infinitum.

Anyhow, great write-up Jiang. Know it's been around for a while, but glad to see threads like this. Agree with you on the utility of sniper rifles, though I could see some contingencies where they could come in handy.

I definitely wanna write-up a Star Wars-y version of my Ruger No. 1. Varminter. And hunt Bantha with it. On Safari. As a gentleman of adventure!:CHappy

 

[Orphen]

Yeah, the micro missile thing is silly ^^ but who says they use current explosives? Hmm? Anywho... Fun fact about heat, heat energy, also known as heat, burns things by energising them to the point that if forces them to become unstable, makes them vibrate, become mobile, and 'liquid' funnily enough, a solid matter becoming liquid 'IS' the breaking of chemical bonds, if they weren't breaking, the substance wouldn't move. And plasmic only means the lightsber has the aspects of a solid, a liquid, and a gas. Though it is none of either.

And a bullet, is not a blast door bro. If they made bullets as dense as blast doors, i'd LOVE to see the bullet drop. They'd be so dense, they'd need a sniper rifle and a pretty damn big initial charge to propell them. And in other actions of the Lightsaber deatomising metal, is ALSO, every effect of them hitting metal. Where a lightsaber width chunk of scenery is taken out... it didn't melt, there isn't molten steel on the ground, and it hasn't peeled away, theres a red like two inch line of the disappeared metal, with red hot rimming on the outside as the metal turns to individual particles to never be seen again.

so there's a line somwhere between industrial steel and blastdoor, which ranges from effortless penertation to slow and arguing process. Considering the blast door was X thick, and X hyperdense, it's presumed to be specially made to weather almost any offense. compared to the commonplace used steel for heavy machenery, droids, guns, etc, which is literally degenerated by the heat, so extreeme it can vaporize steel. so, unless you're using superdense blast door slugs. The lightsaber goes one step further than melting bullets bro ;)

 

[Number-75]

Nitro, why are you so intent on proving your point that lightsabers will beat bullets in every situation? I mean, everything is situational. For instant, you're assuming that the Jedi/sith with the light saber is aware of the guy with gun's position, that the Jedi/Sith is capable of spinning his lightsaber around fast enough to deflect all the shots fired at him, that the guy with the gun isn't using specialized ammunition like Cortosis bullets or something, that the Jedi/Sith's RPer is capable of fighting against another PC, that the Jedi/Sith has a lightsaber on him in the first place, that the gunner is only shooting one bullet at the Jedi/Sith and that the gunner is using an appropriate weapon.

Bottom line, it all depends on the RPers and the situation at hand. Depending on situation, it can go either way.

 

[Horizon]

Meh. Slug based shotgun fixes every lightsaber wielding bastard usually.

 

[Orphen]

yeah, sorry, i get to this point where someone poses action to rebut me, i rebut ad infinitum XD I think i got my point across, but what can i say, Jiang intimidates me.

Edit: Probably the fact that i can't imagine him as anything other than a big white tiger man/ admin/ god.

 

[Deloi]

Nitro, why are you so intent on proving your point that lightsabers will beat bullets in every situation? I mean, everything is situational. For instant, you're assuming that the Jedi/sith with the light saber is aware of the guy with gun's position, that the Jedi/Sith is capable of spinning his lightsaber around fast enough to deflect all the shots fired at him, that the guy with the gun isn't using specialized ammunition like Cortosis bullets or something, that the Jedi/Sith's RPer is capable of fighting against another PC, that the Jedi/Sith has a lightsaber on him in the first place, that the gunner is only shooting one bullet at the Jedi/Sith and that the gunner is using an appropriate weapon.

Bottom line, it all depends on the RPers and the situation at hand. Depending on situation, it can go either way.

Yeah, seriously Nitro, I have a Jedi that specifically has far more effective ways of beating a bullet than lightsaber. I mean lightsabers are cool, but not very versatile for anything but blocking blasters and cutting things.

If I was going to deflect a bullet, provided I know where it is at, I'd just use my character's extensive mastery of defensive force abilities instead of see if I can block it with my lightsaber. It's much more effective to block a bullet by pretending your hand has a james bond watch attached to it... which is weird considering that it actually works for a Jedi.

Wait cortosis bullets? Cortosis is way too brittle for that, Cortosis even breaks after it has been hit with a lightsaber enough times.

 

[Phil]

Meh. Slug based shotgun fixes every lightsaber wielding bastard usually.

You and I... we share the same thoughts on that. (nods)

But Cortosis bullets? Is such a thing even possible? Sounds expensive.

 

[Matt]

Erm, as a slug thrower is a solid option a jedi could just use a rather confined force push surely?

 

[Jiang Winters]

They could, but they'd need to almost match the kinetic energy behind the slug itself to repel it. It'd probably be possible with just a few slugs, but with a fully automatic weapon or a weapon with significant spread, using Force Push might not be an option. It really depends on the situation.

 

[Insanity]

A lightsaber is just a fancy blowtorch that uses plasma energy in a condensed field...

Anyyyyyways... Some mini-rockets can fix your Jedi/Sith problem faster than a slugthrower.

 

[Jiang Winters]

Bolter from Warhammer 40K. Every problem solved in one magazine or less.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

For example, during the days of the Galactic Republic, mercenaries fearing an intervention by Jedi Knights used rapid-fire slugthrowers that were impossible to completely deflect, unlike blaster bolts. They were also popular amongst forces looking to take advantage of the explosive nature for intimidation or to

taken from the wookieepedia article.