Krass ooc

[Vinn Esper]

Hi @Narsi and @Intratec I made an ooc for us to able to discuss things if need be.

I do have some questions about your post, Narsi.

Taking a southpaw stance, Henry approached the other Sith straight on with his right hand, foot, shoulder forward.

I admit that I have no idea what a southpaw stance is. I google it and got some images. Looking at the images, I still couldn't figure it out. So, I've included a few of the images and am wondering if any of them are close to what you are doing?

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Spoiler: image 2

 

[Billbo Swaggins]

Hi @Narsi and @Intratec I made an ooc for us to able to discuss things if need be.

I do have some questions about your post, Narsi.


I admit that I have no idea what a southpaw stance is. I google it and got some images. Looking at the images, I still couldn't figure it out. So, I've included a few of the images and am wondering if any of them are close to what you are doing?

Spoiler: image

Spoiler: image 2

I know I'm not in the post but - yeah, that's essentially what a southpaw stance is.

Its not exactly the positioning of the hands that matter - its the fact that your dominant side is facing your opponent (assuming you're right handed), instead of your nondominant side (like you usually see in the movies)

Its beneficial because your quickest attack, the jab, becomes more powerful since you are doing it with your dominant hand, and it also makes it harder to defend against simply because attacks are coming from the opposite side your left arm is defending against if you are in a normal stance.


At least I think that's what it is.

 

[Vinn Esper]

I know I'm not in the post but - yeah, that's essentially what a southpaw stance is.

Its not exactly the positioning of the hands that matter - its the fact that your dominant side is facing your opponent (assuming you're right handed), instead of your nondominant side (like you usually see in the movies)

Its beneficial because your quickest attack, the jab, becomes more powerful since you are doing it with your dominant hand, and it also makes it harder to defend against simply because attacks are coming from the opposite side your left arm is defending against if you are in a normal stance.


At least I think that's what it is.

That sounds right based on the photos, but Narsi is also using a spear and I'm not understanding how he's attacking me based on what he typed and the pictures, that's why I'm asking him to attempt clarification.

 

[Billbo Swaggins]

That sounds right based on the photos, but Narsi is also using a spear and I'm not understanding how he's attacking me based on what he typed and the pictures, that's why I'm asking him to attempt clarification.

I see - a southpaw position on a spear is basically just reversing your hand position on it and facing the other direction (not sure else to explain it).

It basically just allows for attacks from a different side (the side his body is open to) since a spear is difficulty to use on the closed side of his body (the side his back is facing).

So take this picture:
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She has her left hand nearest the top of the spear and her right hand nearest the bottom. This allows her to easily make attacks on the enemy's left side.
However, its difficult for her to attack the enemy's right side because of the nature of a spear.

Southpaw reverses that situation so that her body is facing her left instead of her right like in the picture. In addition, her right hand would be near the top of the spear and the left near the bottom. This allows her to easily make attacks on the enemy's right side and more difficult to attack the enemy's left side.

It's an inherent weakness of the spear, since one will always be weaker than the other and its difficult to quickly switch guards.

 

[Vinn Esper]

Okay. I think that really clears it up. Thanks.

 

[Narsi]

@TheCalmOne +10 for helping out when I wasn't available.
+50 for doing a good job of it
:)

 

[Billbo Swaggins]

@TheCalmOne +10 for helping out when I wasn't available.
+50 for doing a good job of it
:)

Hey man I got to nerd out about weapons on a Starwars forum.

Literally kicked something off of my bucket list. No joke.

 

[Vinn Esper]

 

[Billbo Swaggins]

OH GOD NOT MORE MEMES.

good thing i finished studying :)

 

[Vinn Esper]

OH GOD NOT MORE MEMES.

good thing i finished studying :)

I always got more memes.

 

[Intratec]

 

[Vinn Esper]

As his foe's blade came down in the first short slice Henry used his newfound leverage to heave the already ignited end towards him. The first short slice would barely knick the retreating hilt, bouncing off in a shower of sparks and following strikes would hit only air. This brought the other end of the saberstaff out and about in an arc around Henry's left side.

So because you're attacking on your left and we are facing each other, you're attacking my right which I think you mention somewhere in that same post. Anyways, then I run at you in the process of you moving the saber behind your back.

My first question is that if I am charging you and each of your hands is on one end of the saber how can you do this:

It was child's play to raise his left arm and bat the lightsaber up and away to his left, the phrik plate on his forearm protecting him from any damage

AND still retain almost total control of a saber staff without ever having mentioned that you grabbed the spear again. Furthermore, how is it possible that you can launch a aimed attack on the side where you don't have a hand holding your weapon?

Also between the first and second posts that I quoted you are reversing your attack direction so how can I not have time to defend myself?

 

[Narsi]

So because you're attacking on your left and we are facing each other, you're attacking my right which I think you mention somewhere in that same post. Anyways, then I run at you in the process of you moving the saber behind your back.

Well, I'm not really bringing the saber behind my back, more just rotating it around my front, from my left to my right, which is bringing the left side of the staff into your right side.

My first question is that if I am charging you and each of your hands is on one end of the saber how can you do this:
AND still retain almost total control of a saber staff without ever having mentioned that you grabbed the spear again. Furthermore, how is it possible that you can launch a aimed attack on the side where you don't have a hand holding your weapon?

Also between the first and second posts that I quoted you are reversing your attack direction so how can I not have time to defend myself?

So, its because of several reasons. Number one, saberstaffs don't weight that much, mostly cause the blade parts are weightless. Second, I'd already started the motion when you attacked, so its a little easier than just starting from scratch. Third, this attack is a ROTATION around my body, and as I stated, I'm using my own side as a pivot, pulling on one end of the saberstaff acts as a lever and moves the other end out and around towards your right side. I admit my control wouldn't be as precise with one hand, even if using my own body as a prop-up. So that's why I had it lose a little altitude, the weight of that one side dragging it down a fraction.

As for the last part, I say that you LIKELY don't have any time to defend yourself as you've already used up your time to block/intervene. The way I see it is that your simply out of time to do anything else. I don't really see how I'm reversing my attack?

 

[Vinn Esper]

Mmkay. As far as what I meant by reversing your attack, your post before I charged you said you were attacking on my right. Post after says on my left. I could get quotes but I no wanna for this.

Also you said you're using a spear type weapon. You say it's not as long as a spear but it's still the same type of weapon. Since you said my body slam didn't move you except causing you to move one foot back, I would argue that I am well inside the reach of your weapon and it would be impossible for you to launch that attack if the weapon was not behind your back.

Also you say that my attack surprised you and was unexpected, yet you able to react to it as effectively as you would be any other attack and there is no hint of panic that naturally comes with being the recipient of an unexpected attack.

 

[Narsi]

"thus continuing the revolution of the saberstaff to bring the left side into contact with his foe."
"This brought the other end of the saberstaff out and about in an arc around Henry's left side. A flick of the thumb and that end was also ignited, the newly created blue blade extended outwards. This side of the weapon, if left unopposed would come slicing into the Anzat's right side,"
I'm sorry, maybe I'm dumb, but I cant find any place where I contradict the attacks.

YOU said I was using a spear.

That sounds right based on the photos, but Narsi is also using a spear and I'm not understanding how he's attacking me based on what he typed and the pictures, that's why I'm asking him to attempt clarification.

I made sure to tell you that it wasn't a spear, simply that I was using it like one EG: using my longer hilt to jab at you from a longer distance than normal.
[3/8/2017 8:39:53 PM] Narsi: Henry doesn't have a SPEAR per say, just a saberstaff/double bladed lightsaber
[3/8/2017 8:40:24 PM] Talon: It was being used the same way a spear is?
[3/8/2017 8:41:28 PM] Narsi: Yeah pretty much, not actually as long as a real one, but pretty much being used that way

Now I'll admit, that it IS a longer weapon, however not THAT LONG. I believe, though it may need checking, that the average length of a saberstaff is 45 centimeters, or about one and a half feet. That's about the length of a torso AND my guy has armor on. With some of the staff over on his right side, I don't much or any of the staff will be on his left and you wont be within the reach of the metal part.

As for the last part. Well, first the only part he's fully responding too is your lightsaber, which JUST bounced off his saberstaff. So I think its reasonable for him to notice and respond effectively to it suddenly coming forward again. The charge IS taking him by surprise, just imo, its not enough to do much or significantly alter his actions.

 

[Vinn Esper]

45 cm =17.777 inches. By comparison, Darth Maul light saber is 21 inches. My body is literally pressed up against yours as I just ran into you. Your weapon is in front of you being held horizontally. My body would physically prevent you from being able to pivot the double bladed lightsaber around your body. Also IRL I used to weigh 300 pounds and am something like 6.2 even at my biggest size my waist only reached 44 cm. There's no way you could manipulate the lightsaber like that based on how you're holding it and where you're trying to strike. Your hilt would be blocked by my body.

Also your response my attack on your lightsaber staff is not relevant to that question because it happened before I charged you. The question is how do you go from being surprised and shocked in one sentence delivering an instant collected and calm response in the next?

 

[Billbo Swaggins]

I don't know the full story but let me throw some more input here, listen or disregard with your own descretion since im not entirely filled in on what's going on.

If someone's chest is close enough to touch yours, no weapon longer than maybe a dagger would be effective against them, you would be better off just dropping it and grappling them. However, same goes for the otger side, they can't use their weapon at that distance either.

Same thing applies if the two people are within shoving distance, although a sword may be plausible in that situation.

However, it's kinda hard to get into that range, especially if the enemy has some sort of staff or longer ranged weapon than the charger.

Hope this helps.

 

[Narsi]

45 cm =17.777 inches. By comparison, Darth Maul light saber is 21 inches. My body is literally pressed up against yours as I just ran into you. Your weapon is in front of you being held horizontally. My body would physically prevent you from being able to pivot the double bladed lightsaber around your body. Also IRL I used to weigh 300 pounds and am something like 6.2 even at my biggest size my waist only reached 44 cm. There's no way you could manipulate the lightsaber like that based on how you're holding it and where you're trying to strike. Your hilt would be blocked by my body.

Also your response my attack on your lightsaber staff is not relevant to that question because it happened before I charged you. The question is how do you go from being surprised and shocked in one sentence delivering an instant collected and calm response in the next?

I did say it was average, and that I wasn't sure, either way that's less than 4 inches bigger than the number I gave. I also stated that he was using his own body as pivot, meaning that he would have had to had to have at least SOME of the hilt extending past his right side, therefore offsetting the hilt that extends past his left side. I feel this would be enough to make the attack work, but I'll go ahead and make some edits to correct that if you want me too.

As for the last part, cause I hate using quotes, he was shocked...by the charge. Both of our characters are experienced warriors who have spent ages training to keep our opponents glowsticks from hitting us, he WILL be keeping an eye on your weapon and he WILL make sure to block it if he can. My point about your lightsaber just being blocked is thus. Your lightsaber isn't coming out of nowhere, nor is it a hidden blade or some sort of wildcard. He JUST blocked it, its RIGHT THERE and he will be able to plainly see it coming forward as if it were simply another attack. Your sudden tackle/charge is new and unique, which is why it surprised him, but you might as well just be making a generic chop with your lightsaber.