Main Faction Military Size

[Kalen Conner]

I was wondering and looking for information on each of the main faction's military size. Could anyone help me find that information?

 

[Brand]

It's never been established as far as I know, but it can be estimated in the millions with all their member worlds for both sides. Setting down solid guidelines and fleet listings for both sides, though, could prove useful.

 

[HunterOrdo]

I would not even bother mate. The Grand Republic Army during the Clone Wars was roughly 3.5 million (which I think is relatively small given the scale of the Galaxy) China, at the moment, I believe, has a standing army of roughly 2.25 million.

Given the size of the galaxy, the sheer amount of people on the planets on both sides, the armies could be in the tens of millions, to perhaps hundreds of millions.

If any side were to start drafting.. honestly, it would be extraordinarily hard to say how large the armies would be... I would say do not worry about it. Just look at battle to battle not at the numbers in whole.

Galaxy is a big place.

 

[Kalen Conner]

Well I'd still like to know and I agree with what Trell said.

Edit: Also if they were to draft from all the planets that would leave the planets with no defence. That's why it was so few in number.

 

[HunterOrdo]

Drafting is the process of moving civilians of age into the military.

Drafting was not used rarely due to lowering 'defense" as putting more people in the military would raise the defensibility as it gives you more soldiers that you can distribute and leave at planets for that purpose. The reason it was used so rarely was due to the fact that people do not like drafts.

I can not possibly see how your idea of having less soldiers raises the overall defense of your planets. If a planet has a Militia, it would not lower their defense as those men and women in the Militia are already in the Military and so would not be drafted. They could be deployed and pushed into service beyond militia, but that is not drafting.

 

[Kalen Conner]

Taking human resources away would. Never said not having them in a military would.

Anyway this isn't a debate thread. We can have a nice long debate via PM if you want.

I want to know the military size of the main factions.

Edit: The ImpKnights have about 1,000 members. The reason why this is so important is what if the ImpKnights attacked an Imperial installation guarded by say 1,500 troops. Having sent in about 700 of their own men they take the installation with minimal casualties say 100 men leaving 600 left. Meanwhile the Empire has dedicated say 100,000,000 troops to attack the GA. All of a sudden the Empire role-plays another 10,000 reinforcements coming to recapture the installation. So we need the numbers otherwise it'll be a one war where factions like the mando's or impknights won't be able to do sh** in the long run.

 

[HunterOrdo]

When America drafted the men during WW2, the work power was taken over by the women who churned out enough to keep America, (especially) Russia, and England supplied.

Having people work, which is what human resources is, does not protect your planet whatsoever. Drafting does not make your planets vulnerable, it does the opposite. A draft does not take every able bodied person, it tends to take those 18-25ish. It drastically boost your military power without destroying your countries infrastructure.

Its not an debate because I, honestly, cannot see how you could possibly think it takes away your planets defenses. There is no point in doing it over PMs when we can simply settle it now because if you can show that it would be more beneficial defensively to not have a draft (excluding the anger of the people) then the matter is settled.

An easier way for you to get your head count would be to ask how large is the average fleet for both sides. Using the size of a fleet and the types of ships in it, you can decide how many soldiers are in that by doing some basic arithmetic. After you figure that out, you can ask how many fleets there are. Do a little multiplication again, and you have a rough estimate.

I highly doubt the faction leaders are going to give you a number because, honestly, besides the extra cheese of knowledge its pointless in this style RP.

EDIT: Do not edit in a rebuttal. Make a new post. If you edit it in then I do not see the topic pop back up with a new post, but fine we will do it editing. Again, this is an RP not a sandbox RP (which the numbers would matter for crunching.)

Again, the Empire is not going to send 100,000,000 troops at a planet or in one attack that is ridiculous. They will be broken up into fleets which is why I made my suggestion.

Most of the battles will either be between fleets (where the number of men matter little to the number and types of ships which are RPed, so in truth, only the main ship matters, the rest are added for Cheese to make the story believable.)

The ground battles will not be in the millions. Honestly, the IK would not fight the Empire in some super amazing large battle. They will fight in small ambushes and raids. If they run into that many Empire soldiers, they will run.. or they are incredibly foolish. The Empire may well have 100,000,000 troops, but they have a lot of planets to cover. Once again the Galaxy is a big place. That army will be broken down into numerous fleets (see why I recommended finding the fleet number?) that will do most of the fighting, patrolling, and protecting.

I trust the Faction Leaders to be responsible and realistic. There was a reason they were chosen to lead the factions. The battles are for our RP enjoyment, not for frustration over numbers and who has what.

 

[Kalen Conner]

Nothing in life is pointless, Hunter.

But I see now that you won't respect my wishes as the thread started. So I guess I'll have to properly school you not on military knowledge but on common sense. I promise I will be civil and not call you "son" although I hope you imagine me calling you "son" after each sentence because that's my way of letting people know how they enlighten my life.

I think you misunderstood what I said. So I'll make it clear to you like I attempted to do in my last post and I'll add a bonus of explaining to you why.

Ai... Anyway, if the GA or IE took away every able bodied man between the age of 18 and 25 they will lessen the military power of that planet. Its a planet, right? Let's say it has a million people on it. Let's say 10% can't fight (elderly), let's say another 10% can't fight (children), that leaves 800,000 people left who can fight. Let's say we take only men between the ages of 18-25 away and say that's about 30% of the million. That leaves 500,000 people who can fight right? But who says they have military training? Who says they're not doctors, fishermen, teachers, pacifists, clowns, comedians, actors, singers, authors, dentists, accountants and all that. Now look what you've done you've gone and taken all the people who were willing to fight away. What does that leave the planet with?

Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you said. Maybe you meant by drafting that they train those men between 18-25 and leave most of them to defend the planet. If so then you might be right in one sense that the defences will not be lowered that much. But that's all you're right about.

Go look at my previous post. I made an edit concerning the Impknights. Maybe you'll better understand why I need numbers. Because it will effect the role-play unless you're one of those people who play DOG characters who can go over 9000!!!! And still make it home for dinner.

Edit: I edit because I do not want to double post. Attacking an installation with 1500 men is not a large battle, Hunter.

With that being said you say it is for our enjoyment? Well, what if someone finds realism in numbers. What about that person's enjoyment? Or is your enjoyment more important than the enjoyment of others?

 

[Empress]

overall the alliance can account for billions of individual troops.... a single star destroyer alone requires roughly 45,000 people to operate it. A corvette requires I believe a minimum of 15 to 500 people

so all you really can do is estimate size from there.

 

[HunterOrdo]

Not everything in life should be done because it can. Sometimes its better to leave it as it is.

First of all, son, perhaps you do not understand what a draft is. It does not take men who can fight or want to fight. It takes them. period. It does not matter if you can fight or not, it takes you, so yes, it takes men and trains them for the Military. I can not believe you had to ask what kind of draft, you are enlightened indeed.

It does not simply leave the men on the planet as that is foolish. If you can keep the enemy from the planet then who is left to defend the planet does not matter, but how could this happen? Surely, the enemy would get through.. perhaps our forces lose a battle.

That is what the draft is for. To give enough men for the military efforts in order to support the entire galaxy. If the enemy can not get to the planet, they could not attack it. Instead of leaving the men on the planet doing nothing, you use them.

Honestly, I cant believe even with your 'enlightened' idea of training the men just to leave them their would 'lower the defenses' having more people that can fight on a planet tends to raise the defense. I see now why you had such problems in other threads.

If you think people go over 9000!!! in battles just because no one knows the overall numbers, I want you to go into the archives and look at the battles of the past timelines. Instead of just assuming its wrong, and we need this or all will fall apart, go back and see how it is done.

 

[Kalen Conner]

Yeah I understand that part Empress. And I would like to have their fleet numbers as well but the ground forces are just as important. Their are other methods of transport as well and all troops do not need to be transported at once. So stuff like reinforcements will have an effect.

It would be easier for everyone to know what they're up against.

Edit: Yo, Hunter. I thought this wasn't a debate? I managed to bait you even though I'm half asleep. You know, baiting the witness? Things lawyers aren't supposed to get caught doing?lmao like I said if you want to debate we can take it to PMs. I'm asking for numbers for a reason.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Moved to General RP OOC.

We've never put down solid numbers, since our gauge for wartime success has always been territory rather than numbers. We estimate general numbers but never really set anything in stone. In the end it's up to the faction leaders to get together and decide on whether they want to set up numbers, but I myself prefer not having them.

 

[Rev]

Nothing in life is pointless, Hunter.

But I see now that you won't respect my wishes as the thread started. So I guess I'll have to properly school you not on military knowledge but on common sense. I promise I will be civil and not call you "son" although I hope you imagine me calling you "son" after each sentence because that's my way of letting people know how they enlighten my life.

I think you misunderstood what I said. So I'll make it clear to you like I attempted to do in my last post and I'll add a bonus of explaining to you why.

Ai... Anyway, if the GA or IE took away every able bodied man between the age of 18 and 25 they will lessen the military power of that planet. Its a planet, right? Let's say it has a million people on it. Let's say 10% can't fight (elderly), let's say another 10% can't fight (children), that leaves 800,000 people left who can fight. Let's say we take only men between the ages of 18-25 away and say that's about 30% of the million. That leaves 500,000 people who can fight right? But who says they have military training? Who says they're not doctors, fishermen, teachers, pacifists, clowns, comedians, actors, singers, authors, dentists, accountants and all that. Now look what you've done you've gone and taken all the people who were willing to fight away. What does that leave the planet with?

Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you said. Maybe you meant by drafting that they train those men between 18-25 and leave most of them to defend the planet. If so then you might be right in one sense that the defences will not be lowered that much. But that's all you're right about.

Go look at my previous post. I made an edit concerning the Impknights. Maybe you'll better understand why I need numbers. Because it will effect the role-play unless you're one of those people who play DOG characters who can go over 9000!!!! And still make it home for dinner.

Edit: I edit because I do not want to double post. Attacking an installation with 1500 men is not a large battle, Hunter.

With that being said you say it is for our enjoyment? Well, what if someone finds realism in numbers. What about that person's enjoyment? Or is your enjoyment more important than the enjoyment of others?

Do you know what a draft is? Not trying to be mean, but they dont just take everyone from the ages of 18-45 (Draftable age range in the United States) and throw them into Iraq/War hoping they'll survive. They get trained, typically as an army recruit or navy; though every branch has access to the draft if it is instituted.

That said if a planet had a Million people one it and they took 40% of the population for the draft, they'd still have 60% of the people there. Drafts also typically exclude students and those that are working on a degree. If you're doing nothing with your life, you drew the short straw.

Those drafted would be trained to fight then put into combat/on the lines/returned home. If they return home that simply means that 40% taken away now have military combat experience.

If you look at modern day Israel, every person is required to serve in their military once they turn of age. This is because once they get out of service they all know how to fight, get to keep their rifle, and typically will stay in Israel. Their entire country is essentially trained to fight in case they go to war, and if they do each person is capable of picking up their rifle and putting a boot in someones ass.

 

[HunterOrdo]

"Its not an debate because I, honestly, cannot see how you could possibly think it takes away your planets defenses. There is no point in doing it over PMs when we can simply settle it now because if you can show that it would be more beneficial defensively to not have a draft (excluding the anger of the people) then the matter is settled."

You have yet to do the above.

 

[Dread]

I myself prefer not having them.

Me too.

 

[Kalen Conner]

@Bac

I hear what you're saying. So let's say it is about the end of the war between the GA and the IE. And the GA is utterly destroyed and the IE has suffered heavy losses. Here the Mandos, Chiss and Impknights decide to team up against what's left of the IE. What stops the IE from saying they have more than enough people left to total the other factions in one post?

@Rev

All I know about drafts are that Ali refused to be taken away. Just like my forefathers refused to be forced to stay in a regime that took away their freedom of having a choice. Just like I had to go around the back to buy a bread when white folk could go in the front of the stores. So I'm sorry but I'm not interested in drafts, wars and all that except for fictional ones but since you're insisting on taking it to real life do you know how many troops were sent to the middle-east? If your answer is yes then why shouldn't we know how many troops were sent in this fictional war?

@Hunter

I do not have to because you alienated yourself in your reply to my post when you tried to debate it. The evidence for you wanting to initiate a debate is there. Just like when a guy who has been caught driving drunk has their licence taken away because they came to the conclusion that he might do the same again. Just like that I have come to a conclusion that you want to initiate a debate, sir.

The fact that you keep pressing the issue is disrespectful to me as I asked you to rather take it to PM because this thread is not meant for me to receive an answer from you but instead an answer from someone who can tell me the numbers I have been asking for and since you do not fit the description its clear your not here to help but instead to make yourself an obstacle, sir. Which in my opinion just shows me your lack of maturity despite your conviction on proving to me how well-informed you are about thing militant which just emphasises your display of ignorance as that was never the issue to begin with. Thank you, son.

 

[Fusion]

I'd be interested to know how many of each ship classification(cruisers and destroyers, not Venators and Imperators) that each main faction has. Would help me with my plan for galactic domination. I mean the spread of Subach-Innes throughout the galaxy.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

@Bac

I hear what you're saying. So let's say it is about the end of the war between the GA and the IE. And the GA is utterly destroyed and the IE has suffered heavy losses. Here the Mandos, Chiss and Impknights decide to team up against what's left of the IE. What stops the IE from saying they have more than enough people left to total the other factions in one post?

For starters because faction leaders aren't cheap, but also because we have pre-agreed upon generalizations in terms of numbers and we know that if you basically have no territory left then you don't have the numbers to rival the combined might of three factions.

For the Empire to say otherwise would be overruled by the admins unless they can prove that they have enough people left to total the combined billions if not trillions of people that three factions like the Chiss, Mandos, and Imperial Knights would have at their disposal.

I'd be interested to know how many of each ship classification(cruisers and destroyers, not Venators and Imperators) that each main faction has. Would help me with my plan for galactic domination. I mean the spread of Subach-Innes throughout the galaxy.

Knowing that OOC can't change anything. Your character(s) wouldn't know IC, so you wouldn't be able to make IC plans with that OOC information.

 

[HunterOrdo]

I had hoped that by the end of this you would have enough maturity to admit you were wrong or simply look over it and simply remember the knowledge you gained from it. Someone told me just a while ago that I should simply drop it since you are the kind of person who believes themselves to always be right.

They are right. Instead of admitting you were wrong, or say "That is a good point." And leave it at that, you instead try to change the subject into making me look like a troll. The reason it became an issue in the first place was I was using the draft to show that numbers flacuturate constantly, you took it upon yourself to say "Also if they were to draft from all the planets that would leave the planets with no defence. That's why it was so few in number. "

That statement alone made me raise an eyebrow. Initially I was truly curious as to how you could think that then as it went on I realized you simply just did not wish to be wrong, so I will take that persons advice and simply drop it since you can not seem to be able to grasp any kind of challenging conversations without becoming immature, ridiculous, and rude.

Good day to you sir.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I had hoped that by the end of this you would have enough maturity to admit you were wrong or simply look over it and simply remember the knowledge you gained from it. Someone told me just a while ago that I should simply drop it since you are the kind of person who believes themselves to always be right.

They are right. Instead of admitting you were wrong, or say "That is a good point." And leave it at that, you instead try to change the subject into making me look like a troll. The reason it became an issue in the first place was I was using the draft to show that numbers flacuturate constantly, you took it upon yourself to say "Also if they were to draft from all the planets that would leave the planets with no defence. That's why it was so few in number. "

That statement alone made me raise an eyebrow. Initially I was truly curious as to how you could think that then as it went on I realized you simply just did not wish to be wrong, so I will take that persons advice and simply drop it since you can not seem to be able to grasp any kind of challenging conversations without becoming immature, ridiculous, and rude.

Good day to you sir.

Next time if you're actually going to drop an argument, please don't do so in that manner. Just drop it and move on.

Let's keep disputes like this over PMs or nowhere at all. That also applies to Kalen and everyone else. Thanks.