Palpatine's Endgame for the Clone Wars

[Snake Eater]

Do any of you think Order 66 was the fail-save plan for the Clone Wars? While watching the series on Netflix, there are many plots that could've ended the war without using the order. Here are a few examples:
- Mandolorian Wars (Obi-Wan stopped it)
- The Droid Factories on Geonosis (Anakin and gang stopped it)
- The new super weapon (Anakin stopped it)

So I'm left wondering if any of these plans developed, O66 wouldn't have happened, anyone else agree?

 

[Latte]

Why would Order 66 be a fail-safe plan when the clone army was programmed to follow contingency orders like that? And it wasn't about ending the war for Palpatine either. He wanted death to all the Jedi, bonus points for the mass destruction in the galaxy due to the war, because then for some people it'd make his empire seem pretty great (and whoever disagreed got silenced or shouted down with propaganda).

I guess I'm not seeing how he could have ended the Clone War with the first two examples. Droid factories on Geonosis? *shrug* Droid army. Big whoop. What does that have to do with purging the Jedi?

Mandalorian Wars? I think your timeline is messed up, or you're thinking the Mandalorian internal conflict = war(s). It didn't. It wasn't even a civil war. The Death Watch was a terrorist movement that took over Mandalore with other terrorists' help, and the Mandalorian citizens gave up without a fight besides the small rebel group who started fighting back, as lead by Bo-Katan.

New super weapon? I'm assuming you mean the defoliator. That could have been used on the Temple, but how conspicuously and how big of a waste of time would that be? Huge waste of time and resources, since it took the Separatists until 19 BBY to even get to Coruscant for once. And that was orchestrated as a plot to turn Anakin. Earlier on, Anakin wasn't emotionally unstable enough to fall for it like he did in ROTS.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Yeah, it wasn't a failsafe plan. It was the plan. That's why the clones were created, to create the Clone Wars and allow for the conditions to form the Empire and kill the Jedi.

 

[Snake Eater]

what about the battle of ilum or the failed kidnapping of force sensitive children? Why go through all the hassle of these diversions?

edit: lightsaber crystals on ilum

 

[Green Ranger]

The droid army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The clone army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The entire conflict was constructed for the Order 66 endgame.

What better way to place your assassins in a place of trust by forcing the Jedi to fight alongside them against a numerically superior enemy? The CIS could manufacture trillions of droids, stretching the Jedi Order thinly while fiercely loyal clones fought alongside them, creating a bond of trust. The magnitude and scale of the conflict sent what few members of the Jedi Order across the galaxy, fighting the false enemy, while they were surrounded by more and more clones. As casualties mount and the Order weakens, a single Jedi could be forced to oversee a whole fleet by themselves. And when the order is given, the overriding protocol of the clones kicks in, and the target Jedi is left alone, with hostile armies on both sides, and no escape.

The greatest threat to the security of the new Empire was never the CIS. The CIS was a smokescreen, a distraction to the enemy from within. The only threat to the stability of the Empire was the Jedi - they were the only ones capable of destroying Palpatine, and he knew it. So the first Galactic Empire had to be built, and could only exist, if the Order was completely destroyed. The fact that it wasn't completely destroyed led to Palpatine's own demise, after all.

 

[Snake Eater]

The droid army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The clone army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The entire conflict was constructed for the Order 66 endgame.

What better way to place your assassins in a place of trust by forcing the Jedi to fight alongside them against a numerically superior enemy? The CIS could manufacture trillions of droids, stretching the Jedi Order thinly while fiercely loyal clones fought alongside them, creating a bond of trust. The magnitude and scale of the conflict sent what few members of the Jedi Order across the galaxy, fighting the false enemy, while they were surrounded by more and more clones. As casualties mount and the Order weakens, a single Jedi could be forced to oversee a whole fleet by themselves. And when the order is given, the overriding protocol of the clones kicks in, and the target Jedi is left alone, with hostile armies on both sides, and no escape.

The greatest threat to the security of the new Empire was never the CIS. The CIS was a smokescreen, a distraction to the enemy from within. The only threat to the stability of the Empire was the Jedi - they were the only ones capable of destroying Palpatine, and he knew it. So the first Galactic Empire had to be built, and could only exist, if the Order was completely destroyed. The fact that it wasn't completely destroyed led to Palpatine's own demise, after all.

ah...this makes most sense. I guess I need another cup.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The droid army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The clone army was created for the Order 66 endgame.
The entire conflict was constructed for the Order 66 endgame.

What better way to place your assassins in a place of trust by forcing the Jedi to fight alongside them against a numerically superior enemy? The CIS could manufacture trillions of droids, stretching the Jedi Order thinly while fiercely loyal clones fought alongside them, creating a bond of trust. The magnitude and scale of the conflict sent what few members of the Jedi Order across the galaxy, fighting the false enemy, while they were surrounded by more and more clones. As casualties mount and the Order weakens, a single Jedi could be forced to oversee a whole fleet by themselves. And when the order is given, the overriding protocol of the clones kicks in, and the target Jedi is left alone, with hostile armies on both sides, and no escape.

The greatest threat to the security of the new Empire was never the CIS. The CIS was a smokescreen, a distraction to the enemy from within. The only threat to the stability of the Empire was the Jedi - they were the only ones capable of destroying Palpatine, and he knew it. So the first Galactic Empire had to be built, and could only exist, if the Order was completely destroyed. The fact that it wasn't completely destroyed led to Palpatine's own demise, after all.

Not only all of that, but placing the Jedi into that position of trust is also what undermined their public support. As the war dragged on and the people grew tired of it, they saw a Chancellor "desperately" trying to "save" the Republic and saw Jedi who were leading the deeply unpopular war effort. So as Palpatine's public image grew stronger, the Jedi became hated. That allowed Palpatine to execute Order 66 and declare the Jedi traitors, because the public was able to believe it.

I will say this though: Palpatine's plans were idiotic. The only reason they worked is because everyone else was dumber than he was.

 

[Green Ranger]

I will say this though: Palpatine's plans were idiotic. The only reason they worked is because everyone else was dumber than he was.

Also George Lucas. I can only assume the idea was that Palpatine was mind tricking the whole damn Senate somehow. Which is awfully ironic considering that's only supposed to work on the weak-minded, and idiotic crybaby whinebitch Padme was apparently unaffected.

 

[Rom]

*Bail, Mon, Garm, and Padme roll mental fortitude check*

*Palpatine's Mind Trick fails!*

"This is how democracy dies.... with thunderous applause...."

 

[Green Ranger]

*Bail, Mon, Garm, and Padme roll mental fortitude check*

*Palpatine's Mind Trick fails!*

"This is how democracy dies.... with thunderous applause...."

Bastards were using weighted dice.

 

[Galavant]

Also George Lucas. I can only assume the idea was that Palpatine was mind tricking the whole damn Senate somehow. Which is awfully ironic considering that's only supposed to work on the weak-minded, and idiotic crybaby whinebitch Padme was apparently unaffected.

If Jabba the Hutt had been on the senate, Palpatine's entire plan would have been foiled!

 

[Flamjetxx]

Palpatine -and this is opinion, not necessarily fact-, being a Sith Lord, overthrew his Master when he was brought into the Senate and wanted to purge the Jedi (goal-1), but he needed the people to go with him, and wanted to gain control of the Galaxy with minimal resistance if any at all (goal-2). To achieve his goals he needed to make the Jedi out to be the bad guys for instigating the clone wars and making it look like they were trying to take over the Senate -that also helped to get rid of one problem as well.

Palpatine immediately heard about the "chosen one" Anakin Skywalker, and needed to devise a solution to keep him from bringing balance to the force, and decided to bring him in on the party by turning him from the Jedi like he was doing to the rest of the galaxy - didn't look that hard for him. Palpatine needed the clone wars to make the Jedi look like bad guys. He needed the Jedi to look like bad guys so he could gain control of the Senate, then he could use order 66 to eliminate the Jedi with little effort at all (I mean why suspect your own army to turn on you right?).

--I'm sure there's plenty more reasons than just that too.

 

[Warmonger]

Do any of you think Order 66 was the fail-save plan for the Clone Wars? While watching the series on Netflix, there are many plots that could've ended the war without using the order. Here are a few examples:
- Mandolorian Wars (Obi-Wan stopped it)
- The Droid Factories on Geonosis (Anakin and gang stopped it)
- The new super weapon (Anakin stopped it)

So I'm left wondering if any of these plans developed, O66 wouldn't have happened, anyone else agree?

1. What Mandalorian Wars? The Mandos may be good fighters, but they aren't nearly numerous enough to help Palpatine take over Corellia. Let alone the entire Republic. Lets not forget that Death Watch, if we're going by non-Legends canon, was but a small faction of Mandalorians. There's no reason to expect that the Mandalorians could defeat a single Republic fleet. Let alone any sufficiently powerful Jedi. And let's not even get started on seeing the slaughter of Mandos fighting the Jedi Council members in any conventional form of battle.

2. The Droid Factories? The Confederacy could produce all of the droids they want, but it'd be doubtful that they could have defeated the Republic. The war was for there's to lose from the start.

3. What superweapon?


I'm pretty sure, almost certain in fact, the Order 66 was Sidious' initial plan from the get go. Any other plan wouldn't be feasible for three reasons. One, Sidious needed to manufacture a war that would give him, as the Supreme Chancellor, as much power as possible. Two, Sidious needed a well-trained army that could not only think independently, but actually defeat the Jedi. The droids could never have done that. Mindless soldiers don't win fights, battles, or wars. Third, and most important of all, Sidious, when he founded the Galactic Empire, needed to become the ultimate ruler of the Galaxy under the guise of galactic security. Basically, what I mean is that if Sidious had used the Separatist armies to conquer Coruscant and crowned himself Emperor he would have faced a level of resistance that would make the Rebellion era look like a cake walk.

In essence, Sidious needed to come to power through "peaceful" means. Conquering the Galaxy wouldn't have resulted in such a complacent population as that seen in the Rebellion era.

 

[Warmonger]

Also George Lucas. I can only assume the idea was that Palpatine was mind tricking the whole damn Senate somehow. Which is awfully ironic considering that's only supposed to work on the weak-minded, and idiotic crybaby whinebitch Padme was apparently unaffected.

Well, most politicians, fictional or otherwise, aren't the brightest or the strongest willed. Not to mention that the Republic was practically ruled by corporations, banks, and business interests by the time of the Clone Wars. Its no wonder why the Senate basically sucked Palpatine off.

That said, Palpatine is ridiculously strong. Stronger than your average Jedi.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

1. What Mandalorian Wars?

It was in The Clone Wars. The Republic wanted to declare Mandalore a protecterate but Duchess Satine and her pacifist government convinced them not to. Death Watch, a terrorist group that wanted to restore Mandalore to its warrior past, was going to use the proposed Republic presence to say the Republic were occupiers, fight the Republic as liberators, and ultimately take over Mandalore. They did end up taking over Mandalore, but for different reasons.

What superweapon?

The Malevolence. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malevolence

 

[Warmonger]

It was in The Clone Wars. The Republic wanted to declare Mandalore a protecterate but Duchess Satine and her pacifist government convinced them not to. Death Watch, a terrorist group that wanted to restore Mandalore to its warrior past, was going to use the proposed Republic presence to say the Republic were occupiers, fight the Republic as liberators, and ultimately take over Mandalore. They did end up taking over Mandalore, but for different reasons.



The Malevolence. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malevolence

1a. That was more of a sarcastic question.
1b. Like I elaborated on later, though, the Mandos, let alone Death Watch, were too numerically inferior to be able to be anything other than a distraction that might kill a few extra Jedi.

2. Even so, the Malevolence, like all superweapons, couldn't have won the war by itself.

 

[TwoSidedHeart]

I like the idea that it was the last resort kinda thing, but the idea all along was to kill off the Jedi. And the easiest way to do that was the clones. Also, remember, he was trying to distract the Jedi from looking too close to home. EVERYTHING Palpatine did was for a reason, but I reckon he was reliant on Order 66 to deal with his biggest problem when it was all over. He didnt seem to phased if anything else failed during the war, not to the point where he had to fall back on his last resort. Honestly, he could have simply built the Death Starv earlier as a last resort if he wanted to. But theres also the idea that he needed the support of the people. By the time people woke up to the fact the Emperor was a **** and had his own personal Sith Enforcer, he already had a grip on the Galaxy.