President Elect: Donald J. Trump

[Gamov]

To be honest, the fact that Trump got elected president when Hillary had more votes is very weird to me as a foreigner, who is used to ---> the one with the most votes wins!
When I see how she got some 400.000 more votes than Trump, she should have won eh? (This is comin' from a Conservative mind you)

What do you expect from a country that refuses to standardize teaching the metric system in public schools, then insists we use it for careers in science, engineering and the military (to name a few).

Welcome to 'Murica. Literally the living definition of Opposite Land.

 

[Venom]

I would like to point out that the electoral college hasn't actually voted yet, and could decided against Trump since they don't all have to follow their constituents.

While thats a theoretical possibility, it's exceedingly unlikely to happen.

 

[Kaane]

I would like to point out that the electoral college hasn't actually voted yet, and could decided against Trump since they don't all have to follow their constituents.

If they do there'll be a literal revolution on their hands. The people who voted Trump are fed up with being fed up. If they take away the election from Trump now, all hell will break loose in every rural and white suburban area of every state in the country.

But if somehow that happens, Evan McMullin will probably be our president. Establishment republicans voting for one of their own and all.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

If they do there'll be a literal revolution on their hands. The people who voted Trump are fed up with being fed up. If they take away the election from Trump now, all hell will break loose in every rural and white suburban area of every state in the country.

But if somehow that happens, Evan McMullin will probably be our president. Establishment republicans voting for one of their own and all.

"But Kaane," Bac said sarcastically, "we were told by a Trump supporter in this thread that the Electoral College is great and works perfectly. So if the electors choose who they want, surely there won't be an uproar right? Because the system worked as intended?"

 

[Outlander]

"But Kaane," Bac said sarcastically, "we were told by a Trump supporter in this thread that the Electoral College is great and works perfectly. So if the electors choose who they want, surely there won't be an uproar right? Because the system worked as intended?"

I lol'd.

 

[Jinan B]

"But Kaane," Bac said sarcastically, "we were told by a Trump supporter in this thread that the Electoral College is great and works perfectly. So if the electors choose who they want, surely there won't be an uproar right? Because the system worked as intended?"

This deserves to be a chat quote.

 

[Clayton]

What do you expect from a country that refuses to standardize teaching the metric system in public schools, then insists we use it for careers in science, engineering and the military (to name a few).

Welcome to 'Murica. Literally the living definition of Opposite Land.

10.

There. I learned the metric system. Moving on...

 

[Dmitri]

Here's an answer to my earlier question: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ief-of-staff-steve-bannon-as-chief-strategist

 

[Noirceur]

As a French citizen, I have always been confused by the American election system (not on how it works, mind you, but rather on why it works that way). To me, that your elected president did not receive the majority of votes is baffling. From what I can gather, the people chose Hillary but the electoral college system chose Trump. What also astounds me is that among some 300 million american citizens, the selection comes down to two, in my opinion, bad candidates even though Clinton was admittedly the better of the pair, though not by much. I can't claim to know how Trump will preside over his country or if his mandate will be good or bad, but one thing I know for sure is that people who voted Trump are, maybe unwittingly, condoning racism, sexism, Islamophobia, homophobia and body shaming, among some other things. As the bisexual son of a Muslim raised Belgian immigrant and a Mexican mother (not to mention my political views), I know I would be terrified of living in the United States right now.

I know that not every Trump supporter thinks that way, so to those specific ones I say that your task is to make sure that your fellow voters don't either. Believe me, I live in a country which is ripe with hate right now, and I wouldn't want to see another one go down the same road. Stay strong.

 

[Nova Elgrin]

I can't claim to know how Trump will preside over his country or if his mandate will be good or bad, but one thing I know for sure is that people who voted Trump are, maybe unwittingly, condoning racism, sexism, Islamophobia, homophobia and body shaming, among some other things.

Racism --> Trump's first wife was Czech, his current wife is Slovenian. I know they're white as well however as I've seen the left labeling foreigners as different race before, I just wanted to mention that. If you are referring to his statement regarding Mexicans, there are just as many positive quotes from Trump (-->Many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally,") Trump is against illegal immigration - that doesn't make him rascist. Also a certain ammount of voters bled over from democrats aka Obama voters - how do you explain that? Why would they vote a black man in the first place, if they were all so rascist?

Sexism --> I can hardly see a sexist favouring his daughter over his sons and empowering and pushing her her whole life. Yes his comments were lowbowred, but if we only have people in offices that never said some lowbowred stuff their whole entire life we would have no people in any office at all (YES women can say nasty stuff as well)
By the way, I hope you are in the same way disgusted by Vice President Joe Biden sexually molesting a 13-year old girl on tape like you are by Trump saying some stupid stuff on tape?

Islamophobia ----> A phobia is a mental disorder. He's however expressing legit concern regarding the one religion that is responsible for almost all terror attacks in the whole world right now. And yes I'm aware that not all muslims are terrorists - my point still stands. Being concerned and cautious about mass muslim immigration as long as Islam hasn't experienced a reformation or emancipated itself from the stance of the Quran being the last word of god to mankind and therefor being immun to free interpretation, progression, the need of context or justification, seems pretty legit. I'm German and we just experienced that through the refugee crisis. And yes I've read the Quran and I'm reading the Hadith as well as Mohammeds biography by Ibn Ishâq right now. Yes there are poetic, wonderful phrases in the Quran (which really touched me), but they are abgrogated by the Prophet's Medinan surahs. Yep, the bloodspilling ones, unfortunately. So to worry about this fact isn't really fitting the description of a mental disorder I think.

Homophobia---> I can not find a single homophobic statement of him? Last thing I heard about that, was him stating that the law allowing same-sex marriage should remain in effect? o.o

Body Shaming---> He likes pretty women, so what ._. ? If you really build up your confience on if Donald Trump finds you attractive or not, you are most likely beyond saving anyway. Just look at the guys hairstyle! He looks ridiculous! Who cares what beauty standarts he's got ._. ?

Also what is your stance on black and hispanic voters for Trump? Especially the female ones? Are they rascist and sexist as well?

As the bisexual son of a Muslim raised Belgian immigrant and a Mexican mother (not to mention my political views), I know I would be terrified of living in the United States right now.

As a white, straight, blonde, bright-eyed German (and therefor still blamed for WW2) woman with no migrant background whatsoever (so no lobby backing me up) I'm very terrified of living in Germany right now. Yes, not all refugees are a threat, some are very poor souls just wanting to escape war - however New Year's Eve with the massive ammount of assaults, rapes and thievery committed by groups of young men originating exclusivly from islamic countries has changed everything here.
Trump may be not the greatest guy ever, but I would take him over Merkel anyday.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I really don't. I just wanna.. I don't know, calm you a guys a bit? Maybe even cheer you up? After all the campaign phase is most of the time way more dramatic than the term of office as far as I understood? At least wait till he's in office and see where he's heading? Words are not the same as action. Just think of all the engery you wasted if he doesn't even do half of the things he said he would. :)
Collect the pieces, brush the the dust off and carry on <3

I really hope I got this all straight, I'm extremely tired however I needed to get this off my chest. ^^

 

[Jinan B]

Racism--> Personally I see the thing with anti-Middle Easterns as more of a problem than anti-Mexicans, so I guess I'll address that in Islamaphobia.

Sexism--> I do believe he's had quotes such as "Putting a Women to Work is a very dangerous thing", and he also said something about how he would lose it if he came back from work and his wife wasn't in the kitchen (I admit I can't remember the exact quote, and I don't really have time to source hunt rn will rectify that later). This would probably be the bases of his sexism (as well as his belief that the gender wage gap doesn't exist and his refusal to do anything about it, because "the market will sort itself out"

Islamophobia--> Ok, to be fair the majority of my knowledge about Islam come from conversations with a very devout friend of mine, but as far as I'm aware ISIS break several key tenants of Islam, straight from the Quran, and were considered by this friend as being very poorly practicing Muslims. Prosecuting entire Countries for the actions of what? A few dozen people? Just screams phobia to me. It'd be like stopping Americans from coming to South Africa because there are KKK members in America, or something like that (this is in my opinion, of course)

Homophobia--> The fact that he is willing to have Gay marriage put back in control of the states shows that he doesn't believe that Gay people's rights can be put on the same level as those of straight people. Imagine if he wanted to put the right of straight people into the control of individual states? It shows an immense level of ignorance for the constitutional rights of gay people, so perhaps it's less homophobia and more homoignorance or homostupidity. He's also stated that something about the union of two men or two women just feels "wrong", which is pretty homophoic imo. A part of this opinion could also be that he favors Putin as a leader, which is depressing seeing as Putin favors Section 28-style homophobia, and Russia is known for not being a safe place for gay people.

Body Shaming--> I don't really know enough to feel comfortable with putting forward a proper counterpoint to this.

Personally I've always liked how Germany has dealt with things, although then again I'm far from knowledgeable on that particular subject. It's a shame that we have to disagree on things like this though.

I hope I've gotten all my stuff straight too, exams aren't exactly conducive to a functioning brain.

Edit:: didn't Trump condone police brutality against black people at one point, or he favored the police in one such case or Smth? Don't really have time to look it up properly but if I'm remembering right that could be a major influence on how he's seen as racist

 

[Prudence]

Racism --> Trump's first wife was Czech, his current wife is Slovenian. I know they're white as well however as I've seen the left labeling foreigners as different race before, I just wanted to mention that. If you are referring to his statement regarding Mexicans, there are just as many positive quotes from Trump (-->Many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally,") Trump is against illegal immigration - that doesn't make him rascist. Also a certain ammount of voters bled over from democrats aka Obama voters - how do you explain that? Why would they vote a black man in the first place, if they were all so rascist?

Sexism --> I can hardly see a sexist favouring his daughter over his sons and empowering and pushing her her whole life. Yes his comments were lowbowred, but if we only have people in offices that never said some lowbowred stuff their whole entire life we would have no people in any office at all (YES women can say nasty stuff as well)
By the way, I hope you are in the same way disgusted by Vice President Joe Biden sexually molesting a 13-year old girl on tape like you are by Trump saying some stupid stuff on tape?

Islamophobia ----> A phobia is a mental disorder. He's however expressing legit concern regarding the one religion that is responsible for almost all terror attacks in the whole world right now. And yes I'm aware that not all muslims are terrorists - my point still stands. Being concerned and cautious about mass muslim immigration as long as Islam hasn't experienced a reformation or emancipated itself from the stance of the Quran being the last word of god to mankind and therefor being immun to free interpretation, progression, the need of context or justification, seems pretty legit. I'm German and we just experienced that through the refugee crisis. And yes I've read the Quran and I'm reading the Hadith as well as Mohammeds biography by Ibn Ishâq right now. Yes there are poetic, wonderful phrases in the Quran (which really touched me), but they are abgrogated by the Prophet's Medinan surahs. Yep, the bloodspilling ones, unfortunately. So to worry about this fact isn't really fitting the description of a mental disorder I think.

Homophobia---> I can not find a single homophobic statement of him? Last thing I heard about that, was him stating that the law allowing same-sex marriage should remain in effect? o.o

Body Shaming---> He likes pretty women, so what ._. ? If you really build up your confience on if Donald Trump finds you attractive or not, you are most likely beyond saving anyway. Just look at the guys hairstyle! He looks ridiculous! Who cares what beauty standarts he's got ._. ?

Also what is your stance on black and hispanic voters for Trump? Especially the female ones? Are they rascist and sexist as well?



As a white, straight, blonde, bright-eyed German (and therefor still blamed for WW2) woman with no migrant background whatsoever (so no lobby backing me up) I'm very terrified of living in Germany right now. Yes, not all refugees are a threat, some are very poor souls just wanting to escape war - however New Year's Eve with the massive ammount of assaults, rapes and thievery committed by groups of young men originating exclusivly from islamic countries has changed everything here.
Trump may be not the greatest guy ever, but I would take him over Merkel anyday.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I really don't. I just wanna.. I don't know, calm you a guys a bit? Maybe even cheer you up? After all the campaign phase is most of the time way more dramatic than the term of office as far as I understood? At least wait till he's in office and see where he's heading? Words are not the same as action. Just think of all the engery you wasted if he doesn't even do half of the things he said he would. :)
Collect the pieces, brush the the dust off and carry on <3

I really hope I got this all straight, I'm extremely tired however I needed to get this off my chest. ^^

That was extremely well spoken Nova! J agree with a lot of what you said, and I do think a lot of judgment should be held until he's actually president.

 

[Jabonicus]

Here is a compiled list of DJT and his homophobic actions.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/2...-lgbt-law-to-permit-religious-discrimination/

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/0...-lgbt-rights-protections-mike-pence-confirms/

http://www.advocate.com/election/20...ows-appoint-supreme-court-justice-mold-scalia

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/01/3...verturning-same-sex-marriage-in-shock-u-turn/

http://www.out.com/news-opinion/201...ically-correct-military-accepting-transgender

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ieves-up-the-hate-for-donald-trump-s-gop.html

 

[Green Ranger]

Tbh Nova, and with all due respect, but after everything he's said in his public life, to everything he's ranted about during the primaries, and then to what he posited as his official stance on key political issues, shrugging and saying 'okay sure he's more batshit than Futurama's take on Nixon but give him a chance' is bullshit. And I guarantee if Clinton had won, noone would be suggesting the same kind of free pass that's being suggested here because...well lets face it, the entire rhetoric of the election campaign proves my point.

So here's the thing.

Donald Trump does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

If anything, he needs to prove to the American people - and the world - that he's not the cartoon supervillain he's propped himself up to be. Until then, he deserves every bit of severe scrutiny levelled at him.

 

[Prudence]

Tbh Nova, and with all due respect, but after everything he's said in his public life, to everything he's ranted about during the primaries, and then to what he posited as his official stance on key political issues, shrugging and saying 'okay sure he's more batshit than Futurama's take on Nixon but give him a chance' is bullshit. And I guarantee if Clinton had won, noone would be suggesting the same kind of free pass that's being suggested here because...well lets face it, the entire rhetoric of the election campaign proves my point.

So here's the thing.

Donald Trump does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

If anything, he needs to prove to the American people - and the world - that he's not the cartoon supervillain he's propped himself up to be. Until then, he deserves every bit of severe scrutiny levelled at him.

That's literallyagainst what Clinton has come out and said, though. She has specifically told her supporters that they owe him an open mind, and that she hopes he will do well.

 

[The Captain]

That's literallyagainst what Clinton has come out and said, though. She has specifically told her supporters that they owe him an open mind, and that she hopes he will do well.

Because she knows how this game is played. When you lose the election you roll over and throw your support behind the winner. Even if they are the single most divisive, vitriolic candidate in modern history.

 

[Logan]

That's literallyagainst what Clinton has come out and said, though. She has specifically told her supporters that they owe him an open mind, and that she hopes he will do well.

That's her saving face. If she would have come out and said anything else, she would have gotten completely roasted. It wasn't worth it.

 

[Prudence]

That's her saving face. If she would have come out and said anything else, she would have gotten completely roasted. It wasn't worth it.

Fair point.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The New York Times, 1922:

But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.

A sophisticated politician credited Hitler with peculiar political cleverness for laying emphasis and over-emphasis on anti-Semitism, saying: "You can't expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them."

"Don't worry you guys, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt"

 

[Nova Elgrin]

Sexism--> I do believe he's had quotes such as "Putting a Women to Work is a very dangerous thing", and he also said something about how he would lose it if he came back from work and his wife wasn't in the kitchen (I admit I can't remember the exact quote, and I don't really have time to source hunt rn will rectify that later). This would probably be the bases of his sexism (as well as his belief that the gender wage gap doesn't exist and his refusal to do anything about it, because "the market will sort itself out"

The gender wage gap has been proofen a myth many times over by neutral instances (diverse professors and economy experts) - if he says it doesn't exist - it's because it doesn't exist! First off: capitlasmn? If women were way cheaper than men, noone would hire men! Second off men and women tend to make different life choices - even women who don't have kids tend to take more days off, work less extra hours, take longer hollidays. Also statistics of the ONS (2006-2013) show that women in their 20s earn more than men.
Yes some of his statements regarding women were plain dumb, however I don't see him introducing any legislations that would actually disadvantage women ^^

Islamophobia--> Ok, to be fair the majority of my knowledge about Islam come from conversations with a very devout friend of mine, but as far as I'm aware ISIS break several key tenants of Islam, straight from the Quran, and were considered by this friend as being very poorly practicing Muslims. Prosecuting entire Countries for the actions of what? A few dozen people? Just screams phobia to me. It'd be like stopping Americans from coming to South Africa because there are KKK members in America, or something like that (this is in my opinion, of course)

Actually all Islamic terror groups act accordingly to the later passages of the Quran, the ones that have been manifested in Medina as well as to the way Mohammed himself acted regarding stances on women, treatment of prisoners of war and so on. And as stated above YES there are very positive phrases in the Quran - celebrating diversity of faith and preaching compassion - but said phrases are abrogated by later statements.
Also countering the 'hostile' passages of the Quran with the 'compassionate' ones just legitimize extremists. Because if you have the right to point to a specific surah and say "that's the true spirit of Islam" why should the counterpart not have the right to point to another one and say "No that's the true spirit of Islam"? I would highly recommend getting yourself educated about Islam (historical and cultural development) and reading the scriptures it is based on, before blindly granting it absolution.
Also terror groups alone make up thousands and thousands of people - so a few dozen people is quite the understatement. Also where does extremismn begin for you? Major polls in great britain showed that half of those mulims polled believe homosexuality should be prohibited by law. 23% want sharia law introduced into Great Britain. 39% say a wife should always obey her husband. Is this not extremisn as well?
You see how this whole topic is a bit more complex than just muttering "but Islam teaches peace!"? Especially if you are not familiar with what is stated in their holy scriptures? Also I clearly said that not every muslim is an extremist or terrorist.

Homophobia--> The fact that he is willing to have Gay marriage put back in control of the states shows that he doesn't believe that Gay people's rights can be put on the same level as those of straight people. Imagine if he wanted to put the right of straight people into the control of individual states? It shows an immense level of ignorance for the constitutional rights of gay people, so perhaps it's less homophobia and more homoignorance or homostupidity. He's also stated that something about the union of two men or two women just feels "wrong", which is pretty homophoic imo. A part of this opinion could also be that he favors Putin as a leader, which is depressing seeing as Putin favors Section 28-style homophobia, and Russia is known for not being a safe place for gay people.

Clinton took hundreds of millions from Saudi-Arabia. A place where they literally murder gays on sight. How come you got no problem with that but with Putin and Trump?

@Jabonicus
pinknews ;)?
Also: words aren't actions.
Anyways all these links are older than the statement I quoted. Here a quote from a interview recorded just yesterday if I'm not mistaken:
“these cases have gone to the Supreme Court, they’ve been decided. And I’m fine with that,"
I'm pretty sure if he talks about the protection of religous freedom, he rather talks about if a Christian bakery should be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Tbh Nova, and with all due respect, but after everything he's said in his public life, to everything he's ranted about during the primaries, and then to what he posited as his official stance on key political issues, shrugging and saying 'okay sure he's more batshit than Futurama's take on Nixon but give him a chance' is bullshit. And I guarantee if Clinton had won, noone would be suggesting the same kind of free pass that's being suggested here because...well lets face it, the entire rhetoric of the election campaign proves my point.
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Oh hey it's the first time you ever replied to me so hi and all :)
So if accepting the election and carrying one with your life and trying to rebuild the party of the political direction you believe in is 'bullshit', I guess you rather support rioting and violent protest ^^? Yeah I would call bullshit on that one, but I actually try to avoid that kind of language when I'm in a serious debate :)