Socialism & Capitalism

Louden

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A fellow politically interested person I know from other forums posted a rhetorical inquiry about socialism and capitalism recently. I responded with the following.

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I was one of many who were angry when the banks were given all that money. I believe to this day it was a sham.

Ultimately, socialism and capitalism are just economic models. Socialism itself is a lie, in my finding. There is only state capitalism; whereas, the people never assume control of the distribution of goods and production like the definition says, but the government does on the people's behalf. The government can never run industry on its own. It does not have the expertise. This leads to more of what we have already seen from big government: contracting the needs of the people to select few, elite corporations. In exchange for doing the government's bidding, the government makes sure the competition is killed. The best example I can think of, from the top of my head, is when the government foreclosed on Washington Mutual and sold its assets to Chase, Washington Mutual's primary competitor. Something similar may have happened between Wells Fargo and Wachovia, but I can't remember at the moment.

A lot of people misconstrue socialism as "social involvement". There is a difference between a socialistic economic model and taxations to fund civil necessities. I guarantee ninety-nine percent of all conservatives have no problem with taxes to fund law enforcement, the fire department and other examples of civic necessities. But when you talk about taking even more money in order to fund welfare and social programs for illegal immigrants and people who have no right to be here, you may find that most moderates, independents and even some liberals have a problem with it.

Capitalism is often misrepresented in the contexts of dishonesty, monopoly and elitism. In hindsight, the free market is propagated by socialists to be synonymous with capitalism. The truth is that the free market is what keeps capitalism in check. Do you think Safeway, the largest supermarket corporation in the country, appreciates ninety-nine cent stores selling the same product at ninety-nine cents? It is the free market that enables those ninety-nine cent stores to compete (free market) with Safeway. It is Safeway that wants to crush them (monopoly).

What people really have a problem with is monopoly. The routes of extreme socialism and extreme capitalism both lead to that same path, monopoly. This is why I believe in socio-capitalism, under which America thrived for the better course of the twentieth century as one of two superpowers.
 

Retroboy

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Ooo, I like you. Hot-button topic and even better, politics and economics.

The issue with capitalism is not when it is allowed to run freely -- hardly, as the very ideals of capitalism are freedom, class mobility and higher standards of living. The issue is when the state favours industries or gives industry certain preference -- say recognizing corporations as people, or allowing corporate interests to control foreign policy (see the Guatemalan coup d'etat). While the benefits of corporations are plentiful, they have severe draw-backs such as "too-big-to-fail" groups and ones organized enough to infiltrate essential governmment sectors such as the FDA (as perpetrated by Monsanto).

Don't get me wrong, I'm an ardent capitalist. I couldn't be otherwise with this laptop in front of me and this nice warm bed and selfish mindset, but sometimes I think we lost sight of the system somewhere.
 

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Its a bit too late for me to counter this, but I will have a beautifully constructed Communist argument tomorrow when I'm well rested.
 

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One way or another, intentionally or not, every political ideology eventually leads to totalitarianism.
 

Brandon Rhea

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If all political ideologies eventually lead to totalitarianism, then what's totalitarianism waiting for? It's sure taking it's time, considering the civilized world has moved from dictatorships, monarchies, and empires to democracies and republics. Many current dictatorships are also moving towards democratic regimes, i.e. Arab Spring.

So if it all leads to totalitarianism, I'd appreciate it if it could speed up the process and not delay the inevitable. We might as well get it over with. ;)
 

Insanity

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Death to your ideology! Bring in the equalism!
 

JokerHound

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One way or another, intentionally or not, every political ideology eventually leads to totalitarianism.

There is some truth in that. If a country dedicates itself completely to one ideology, eventually it becomes totalitarianism. Even Anarchy eventually leads to someone taking over as a warlord.
 
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