Stronghold of Choice OOC

[Gaiaverse]

While I understand this point of view, I'm not sure what the deal is about the neutrality of the BHG as that same viewpoint would nullify and criminalize bounties of certain Outer Rim worlds. If that needs to be fleshed out, so be it, but it doesn't seem to me to be that black and white.

It seems more "Bounties put on by the Sith and their allies are invalid and illegal to pursue"

I'm perfectly fine with Diva chasing Emil after Onderon....I just don't want to do it this thread, I just want to leave.

 

[Fyremage]

While I understand this point of view, I'm not sure what the deal is about the neutrality of the BHG as that same viewpoint would nullify and criminalize bounties of certain Outer Rim worlds. If that needs to be fleshed out, so be it, but it doesn't seem to me to be that black and white.

In answer to this, I would like to highlight that in my explanation, it's all about whether the person has committed a crime that is enforceable in the eyes of the Republic.

So if an outer rim world placed a bounty on someone who has stolen, the Republic would consider that a valid reason to place a bounty, and not intervene.

but it is simply a snatch and grab bounty for a reason that really isn't a crime, then it's considered invalid.

And pretty much any bounty made by an entity affiliated with the Sith would be considered criminal, lol.

 

[Eccles]

I shall better familiarize myself with current Senate stance on the matter. :p

Anyway, it's not my place to speak for the Guild in any capacity. Just that accountability is stated to be done through a senate liaison and not direct micro-managing of whether or not a bounty is considered invalid and thus criminal in the eyes of the Republic. Whelp, peace out :D

 

[Fyremage]

I shall better familiarize myself with current Senate stance on the matter. :p

Anyway, it's not my place to speak for the Guild in any capacity. Just that accountability is stated to be done through a senate liaison and not direct micro-managing of whether or not a bounty is considered invalid and thus criminal in the eyes of the Republic. Whelp, peace out :D

The liaison is only valid for Misdemeanor offenses, otherwise known as minor offenses. Kidnapping and Murder are felonies. The bill does not touch on the validity of bounties in and of themselves, which is why I explained such to everyone.

 

[Eccles]

The liaison is only valid for Misdemeanor offenses, otherwise known as minor offenses.

I don't believe this to be correct. They're immume to misdemeanors and anything bigger would be discussed with the liaison upon which more penal measures could be taken. This is done to allow hunters to remain anonymous at all times and explained as such in the bill itself. That means that if a hunter crossed the line and murdered, the senate would tell the liaison, who would tell the guild master, who would hand the hunter over to the Republic.

 

[Fyremage]

I don't believe this to be correct. They're immume to misdemeanors and anything bigger would be discussed with the liaison upon which more penal measures could be taken. This is done to allow hunters to remain anonymous at all times and explained as such in the bill itself. That means that if a hunter crossed the line and murdered, the senate would tell the liaison, who would tell the guild master, who would hand the hunter over to the Republic.

They are not immune to felonies however. So while the progression of events you have described would be accurate, they are only immune to misdemeanors. Law enforcement officials are still well within their rights to prevent a felony from occurring.

 

[Eccles]

I have never stated otherwise?

EDIT: Practically of what a law enforcer can and cannot do, seeing a badge, hearing the hunter tell the bounty but not being able to fact-check said statement instantly is debatable. There's no reason that'd ever be RP'd though.

 

[Prudence]

As the person who wrote the bill, and got it passed, I can tell you how it was written and how it is meant:

These laws are meant to cut through minor red tape laws, so that a hunter can trespass, damage minor property, incite hysteria, endanger public health, etc while hunting. They were not meant to cover kidnapping and such. If a hunter had to get legal consent from a property owner, or had to worry about minor property damage it would be impossible to do their job.

 

[Fyremage]

I have never stated otherwise?

EDIT: Practically of what a law enforcer can and cannot do, seeing a badge, hearing the hunter tell the bounty but not being able to fact-check said statement instantly is debatable. There's no reason that'd ever be RP'd though.

The bounty board is accessable to bounty hunters and law enforcement officials. the checking part is as quick and easy as a policeman today being able to tell if your registration is expired, which takes moments.

at this point I feel we are arguing over semantics. As Republic FL, i feel I have expressed the stance of the Republic accurately.

 

[Eccles]

The bounty board is accessable to bounty hunters and law enforcement officials. the checking part is as quick and easy as a policeman today being able to tell if your registration is expired, which takes moments.

at this point I feel we are arguing over semantics. As Republic FL, i feel I have expressed the stance of the Republic accurately.

Semantics? Most assuredly, :P you've also been clear on the matter.

I was more or less referring to the bounty being illegal or not. Emilgotha is on there for treason against the Sith Brotherhood, so that's a dead give-away, but if another bounty has a trumped up charge or anything there's no way that could be fact-checked in time. Probably not the time and place for that detail.

And it wouldn't be the first time lately people have told me I'm overcomplicated things. >.> <.< >.>

 

[Gaiaverse]

So....the same still happening?

 

[Sreeya]

Btw any injuries or whatnot in this thread will have no impact on Onderon threads. Bringing this up since it was mentioned that someone didn't want a broken arm or whatever in their battle thread. That stuff gets handwaved in rp so even if your char is beaten to an inch of their life they'll be fine to fight in the battles.

 

[Diva]

@Gaiaverse is Emil currently engaged in combat, or any other war on inferno related thread?

 

[Gaiaverse]

@Gaiaverse is Emil currently engaged in combat, or any other war on inferno related thread?

No. I'm writing a post right now. I've decided that that having Emil surrender to stop any further violence is more in character for her then running.

I've already gotten a rescue thread, were Kulgoth (Emil's cousin and the only half-decent one) manipulates things to make a easy rescue and make sure another bounty is put on her. After paying Diva of course. As both Emil and him know she's just doing her job.

Perhaps Diva and Emil can have a nice chat along the way, I don't know.

 

[Diva]

@Gaiaverse I am happy to RP an in transit thread where Diva chat's with Emil, and as stated, I am also fine with Diva giving @Prudii Kyramud the info he needs to fascilitate a rescue. Diva will also give her word (which is honest) that Emil will be kept safe during the battle, so they can do their job on onderon.

 

[Gaiaverse]

@Gaiaverse I am happy to RP an in transit thread where Diva chat's with Emil, and as stated, I am also fine with Diva giving @Prudii Kyramud the info he needs to fascilitate a rescue. Diva will also give her word (which is honest) that Emil will be kept safe during the battle, so they can do their job on onderon.

Eh, I mean both Evie and Emil pointed why trying to collect her bounty on Onderon is not a good long term idea....so maybe we do a thread or two later. That's what I would prefer.

 

[Diva]

I can't justify the HEAD of the BHG having Emil dead to rights in this situation and walking away. The Noble house of Goth put a price on Emil's return (placed BY you). While I appreciate everyone so carefully trying to undermine the entire point of my faction for your sake (it's touching), What kind of example do I set if I walk away from this pay day. I entered this thread with zero intention of doing this. Diva was gonna roll in, act a fool, maybe (hopefully) start an actually playful more social thread approriate fist fight, and then get drunk. Then, while she was clearly not in her right mind, got followed around at gunpoint, and consistently mocked, despite fair warning. Now she wants satisfaction, and to her that only comes in the form of credits. That's her reality. If Emil really wants to get out of this, you need to think of something IC better than pretty please, or don't do your job because your other boss who is not there might give you a fine for poaching out of bounds.

I'm not even drawing a hard line in the sand here. Emil can surrenderl, or she can try and weasel out of it as long as she wants, or maybe try to get someone less irksome to Diva on your sidee don't have to decide what happens now. infact we probably shouldn't. it SHOULD be IC. Because while I may want to tell eveyone else in here to SHUT U, they are also in the thread. Maybe they could help you.


Now. That rant being done, I am pretty exhausted here. So I will agree to drop it here and pick it up later on ONE condition. I want your solemn word that Diva will pick Emil up after Onderon. it will be an ASK thread. And only you and I will be involved.

Deal?

Godamnit a wrote a lymric for you people

 

[Gaiaverse]

I can't justify the HEAD of the BHG having Emil dead to rights in this situation and walking away. The Noble house of Goth put a price on Emil's return (placed BY you). While I appreciate everyone so carefully trying to undermine the entire point of my faction for your sake (it's touching), What kind of example do I set if I walk away from this pay day. I entered this thread with zero intention of doing this. Diva was gonna roll in, act a fool, maybe (hopefully) start an actually playful more social thread approriate fist fight, and then get drunk. Then, while she was clearly not in her right mind, got followed around at gunpoint, and consistently mocked, despite fair warning. Now she wants satisfaction, and to her that only comes in the form of credits. That's her reality. If Emil really wants to get out of this, you need to think of something IC better than pretty please, or don't do your job because your other boss who is not there might give you a fine for poaching out of bounds.

I'm not even drawing a hard line in the sand here. Emil can surrenderl, or she can try and weasel out of it as long as she wants, or maybe try to get someone less irksome to Diva on your sidee don't have to decide what happens now. infact we probably shouldn't. it SHOULD be IC. Because while I may want to tell eveyone else in here to SHUT U, they are also in the thread. Maybe they could help you.


Now. That rant being done, I am pretty exhausted here. So I will agree to drop it here and pick it up later on ONE condition. I want your solemn word that Diva will pick Emil up after Onderon. it will be an ASK thread. And only you and I will be involved.

Deal?

Godamnit a wrote a lymric for you people

Yes I know I put an bounty on Emil, never said I didn't. And no one her is trying to undermine your faction, but instead pointing out the laws of the Republic and why isn't a good idea. How is that undermine you? Does the mere fact the law exists undermine you? Also, how would realizing that she'd breaking the law and getting in unnecessary trouble hurt her? I'd imagine it make her look professional, patient and smart. I imagine most clients for a BH would want that in their investment.

Anyways.

Sure. I already have an idea for a rescue. I wasn't against that.

 

[Lucy Lou]

Evie just said it was a bad idea all things considered. Mostly she just wants to drink and Relax, not have fight before a fight she doesn't really want to be in.

 

[Diva]

Don't tell me how Bounty Hunter works please, or more specifically how to write my character. I'm pretty sure I established form the get-go she is not feeeling rational today.

Alright then. Now I'm sorry for this, But I would like to explicitly see you type that you agree to engage in an ask thread with me and me alone, in which Diva apprehends Emil after the battle, at a private location I will establish.

Please let me see that, and I will post said thread by the end of the week, and I will aquiesce to whatever Emil does to talk her way out of this, provided it is not a further antagonization.

@Gaiaverse