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the death penalty is idiotic. the title of this thread makes no sense by the way
It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.
I will support "RandomCrapistan's" sovereign right to put to death an American and any other foreign national who rapes and murders one of its citizens on their own soil.It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.
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I will support "RandomCrapistan's" sovereign right to put to death an American and any other foreign national who rapes and murders one of its citizens on their own soil.
Congress has not ratified the Vienna Convention treaty. The US and the states are not bound to follow it.What goes around comes around.
Read the article. Texas denied a Mexican citizen access to consular officials that could have assisted him. The federal government's argument was that such violated the Vienna Conventions.
Note that this was a simple problem with a simple fix--let him speak to the kriffin' consulate.
SCOTUS basically said "we don't care." You all are cheering that decision. I'm pointing out that when an American gets arrested in some other random third-world country with a crappy court system, that government can then proceed to lock up the American whist denying the American consular assistance, all the while claiming "America does this exact same thing, so why should we care about an American's purported rights?" What goes around comes around.
And I'd bet that most of those that believe this is the correct outcome would be up in arms that ZOMG IT HAPPENED TO AN AMERICAN!!11!!
It's all well and good until some American gets tried in RandomCrapistan, is not allowed access to consular officials to assist him, and is convicted in a sham trial.
Once again I will say it. The US has signed, but the Congress has not ratified this treaty. We are not bound be any legal right to enforce it.This
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RandomCrapistan: "Yousa killed ****encia, Yousa will go to jail"
Raider: "No, I didn't" (You didn't)
Raider: "I demand access to consular officials"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "No"
RandomCrapistan americanhatecourt: "Youse'yer ye did it hurr hurr"
Court finds Raider guilty, Raider is imprisioned.
Raider: "I demand access to consular officials, you can't do this!"
*Nobody cares, Raider spends 30 years dying in a crappy jail until he passes out*
Everyone: Yes, excellent, perfect!