Untapped Secrets OOC

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OOC Thread for Untapped Secrets

 

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Alright so in @Plebometer ‘s most recent post I have some issues:

Firstly, the fuse of the incendiary grenade which is assumed to be the “M0553”, as no other is specified, seems far too long compared to the 5 seconds stated in the tech write up. Since Eisa was also moving towards the Neti before she lunges out of the way, she surely couldn’t have been out of the 2 meter blast radius. Secondly, Eisa uses a lot of bursts of force energy which, from how they are described and used, should drain her own energy/stamina. Someone of her size and age wouldn’t have the energy to do what she has done with the bursts and the force speed in this post, especially in such a short space of time. Thirdly, the “rubble” (small jagged stones the size of pebbles) is not being rained down on her from above, as it is suggested, but rather fired from where they landed on the ground towards Eisa. The height difference between the characters should not play a part in this attack. Therefore she shouldn’t be able to duck under such an attack since that would take her closer to the source.

@Phoenix @Clayton

 

[Loco]

If you guys are having a dispute that you can't work out yourselves, and/or you are approaching time-out, you'll have to report for a ruling on the post. We don't do unofficial rulings through tags.

 

[Topher]

Not sure its a dispute just yet Loco?
But just to provide commentary on the understanding / thought processes on my part if it helps clear things up, Hopefully i've covered your points raised?

Regarding the grenade timing:
Based on the timing from the grenade and assuming 1 second from point of manually being thrown at Tendr'sh before being noticed, then for Tendr'sh to telekenetically catch and then throw the the grenade at a greater velocity towards her, which Eisa observed as she started to back away before choosing to close the distance instead assuming that this would have taken 2 seconds, allowing for 1-2 seconds for the grenade to travel behind Eisa as she sprang left whilst moving forwards.

As for the detonation / blast radius would say that it's 2m radius is based on it being at rest? where it would be at at rest under test conditions. But going on the perceived velocity it was being cast at, the detonation of the grenade would not be a clear cut sphere as the momentum would result in the spread of the ignited fuel being almost conical with the larger end falling towards the direction it was thrown, similar to how a moltov cocktail would spread after impacting with the ground, thats what had figured?

Regarding the Rubble:
Unfortunately based on what was described with the action gathering up handfuls of the newly shattered rubble, had read it that as physically throwing the rubble. That's a mis-read on my part! Apologies for that.
Added note: But the thought process was that with Tendr'sh manually throwing the rubble, and with him being nearly triple Eisa's height had visualised the the trajectory of the rubble being in a downwards diagonal arc, which with her going forward and ducking down would have allowed it to pass over head as the thrown rubble continued to where it was aimed at her original position.

However given the clarification on the force being used to cast the fractured rubble towards her, with the rubble being pebble sized, and assuming a typical measure for pebbles at 2/3 cm in size roughly (based on coarse gravel), and Eisa wearing her armor it would be difficult to say that the rubble would pose any significant damage to her beyond perhaps causing some bruising on the areas that are only covered by her bodysuit...? But can edit it to reflect that instead?

Added note: Going on the basis that the time between shifting the focus from the grenade to the rubble and using the Force to throw them towards her would mean that the time taken to concentrate would be short and not have too great an impacting force?

Regarding the Force expenditure:
Whilst I agree the Force usage would drain her stamina, I wouldn't discredit her on the account that due to her age and stature she is at a disadvantage, despite the fact she is 19 years old, she has been involved in several IC engagements and plots prior to this PvP and has gained experience combating slavers, Jedi and abominations.

Looking through the use of the Force, during the thread so far Eisa's usage has been fairly moderate until this point, as IC wise she sees a kill opportunity and is going for it using what she has at her disposal.

Breaking down the usage from what have read and assigning single points per action, rather than the scale and magnitude of the respective actions that will tag separately based on the rough perceived level concentration required to carry out each action

Eisa
Post 4
Opening mind to Force and allowing it to focus body and mind - 1 point [Passive Use]
Concentrated Force into her hand in preparation for the attack - 1 point [Major Use]

Post 6
Unleashing carried over concentrated Force within her hand in form of Force blast to deflect rubble- Carried over from previous

Post 8
Channel the force to enhance her speed for the duration of the post - 1 point [Major use]
Burst of energy to aid in lunge forwards to the Left to avoid grenade - 1 point [Minor use]
Burst of energy to to spring step to her right to strafe Tendr'sh's left side - 1 point [Minor use]
Burst of energy to to spring step from Tendr'sh's left side to his flank - 1 point [Minor use]

Force Cost 6 points - Mostly minor use of the Force

Tendr'sh
Post 3
Use of force to shake room and loosen debris - 1 point [Major Use]
Use of force to levitate and throw debris at Eisa - 1 point [Major Use]

Post 5
Use of the Force to pull Eisa towards him - 1 point [Major Use]
Use of the Force to catch the grenade mid throw and send back at greater speed at Eisa - 1 Point [major use]
- Corrected use of the Force to throw rubble pebbles at Eisa - 1 Point [minor use]
- Clarified use of the Force to allow Tendr'sh to self levitate his body in place whilst severing his own legs - 1 point [Major use]

Force Cost 6 points - Mostly major use of the Force

Hope the above helps clarify where was coming from?

 

[Stratus]

Not sure its a dispute just yet Loco?
But just to provide commentary on the understanding / thought processes on my part if it helps clear things up, Hopefully i've covered your points raised?

Regarding the grenade timing:
Based on the timing from the grenade and assuming 1 second from point of manually being thrown at Tendr'sh before being noticed, then for Tendr'sh to telekenetically catch and then throw the the grenade at a greater velocity towards her, which Eisa observed as she started to back away before choosing to close the distance instead assuming that this would have taken 2 seconds, allowing for 1-2 seconds for the grenade to travel behind Eisa as she sprang left whilst moving forwards.

As for the detonation / blast radius would say that it's 2m radius is based on it being at rest? where it would be at at rest under test conditions. But going on the perceived velocity it was being cast at, the detonation of the grenade would not be a clear cut sphere as the momentum would result in the spread of the ignited fuel being almost conical with the larger end falling towards the direction it was thrown, similar to how a moltov cocktail would spread after impacting with the ground, thats what had figured?

Regarding the Rubble:
Unfortunately based on what was described with the action gathering up handfuls of the newly shattered rubble, had read it that as physically throwing the rubble. That's a mis-read on my part! Apologies for that.

However given the clarification on the fractured rubble being cast towards her is pebble sized, and assuming a typical measure for pebbles at 2/3 cm in size roughly (based on coarse gravel), and Eisa wearing her armor it would be difficult to say that the rubble would pose any significant damage to her beyond perhaps causing some bruising on the areas that are only covered by her bodysuit...? But can edit it to reflect that instead?

Regarding the Force expenditure:
Whilst I agree the Force usage would drain her stamina, I wouldn't discredit her on the account that due to her age and stature she is at a disadvantage, despite the fact she is 19 years old, she has been involved in several IC engagements and plots prior to this PvP and has gained experience combating slavers, Jedi and abominations.

Looking through the use of the Force, during the thread so far Eisa's usage has been fairly moderate until this point, as IC wise she sees a kill opportunity and is going for it using what she has at her disposal.

Breaking down the usage from what have read and assigning single points per action, rather than the scale and magnitude of the respective actions that will tag separately based on the rough perceived level concentration required to carry out each action

Eisa
Post 4
Opening mind to Force and allowing it to focus body and mind - 1 point [Passive Use]
Concentrated Force into her hand in preparation for the attack - 1 point [Major Use]

Post 6
Unleashing carried over concentrated Force within her hand in form of Force blast to deflect rubble- Carried over from previous

Post 8
Channel the force to enhance her speed for the duration of the post - 1 point [Major use]
Burst of energy to aid in lunge forwards to the Left to avoid grenade - 1 point [Minor use]
Burst of energy to to spring step to her right to strafe Tendr'sh's left side - 1 point [Minor use]
Burst of energy to to spring step from Tendr'sh's left side to his flank - 1 point [Minor use]

Force Cost 6 points - Mostly minor use of the Force

Tendr'sh
Post 3
Use of force to shake room and loosen debris - 1 point [Major Use]
Use of force to levitate and throw debris at Eisa - 1 point [Major Use]

Post 5
Use of the Force to pull Eisa towards him - 1 point [Major Use]
Use of the Force to catch the grenade mid throw and send back at greater speed at Eisa - 1 Point [major use]
- Corrected use of the Force to throw rubble pebbles at Eisa - 1 Point [minor use]
- Clarified use of the Force to allow Tendr'sh to self levitate his body in place whilst severing his own legs - 1 point [Major use]

Force Cost 6 points - Mostly major use of the Force

Hope the above helps clarify where was coming from?

Thank you for that, man. I appreaciate it! :)

 

[Topher]

No Worries Strat!

I did add some extra clarification just now, but will high light the changes in red text from the last edit.

But think its like what had discussed on discord earlier its the differing perceptions that get things muddled up :)