Vanilla Ice OOC

[Hol Horse]

Just making this OOC thread for the impending PvP.

I take it the posting order will be:
@Ravendark
@Undine
@Tristar
@Kyle: The Rogue


Also, currently, what is the distance as of the most recent post between Emerald and Sal? I assumed something like 50 yards or half a football-field away and coming in hot. We already established in our first few posts between you two joined that the terrain is pretty muddy and torn up by trench warfare, think along the lines of any WWI movie and you get the gist.

 

[Undine]

50 yards works for me, I wasn't sure how large the area was and since it's your guy's thread I figured you guys could determine the starting distance.​

 

[René]

50 yards works for me, I wasn't sure how large the area was and since it's your guy's thread I figured you guys could determine the starting distance.​

In my post I said that by the time Jalen reached Emerald again, the gap was 30 yards. Should I change that to 50?

 

[Undine]

Yeah go ahead and change it to 50.​

 

[Undine]

@Kyle: The Rogue if you plan on using anything else as far as equipment goes, other then your lightsaber, you should mention it in your OP.​

 

[René]

@Kyle: The Rogue if you plan on using anything else as far as equipment goes, other then your lightsaber, you should mention it in your OP.​

Ok I'll do that

 

[Undine]

I just want to offer clarification on something, as per @Kyle: The Rogue post:​

Jalen continued to close the gap between himself and Emerald until the mother and son duo were basically back to back;

Emerald and Jalen are standing next to one another, so @Ravendark you mentioned Sal standing in between them before attacking Emerald, mind editing that a bit? If you were actually in between them you'd be caught between their dual-bladed lightsabers and seriously injured. Once you do would you mind tagging me here so I know? I'll post later once you have.

Other than that, good luck everyone. Enjoy yourselfs.​

 

[Hol Horse]

Oh rip, didn't see that part. I edited my post to get rid of the space between Jalen and Emerald.

Sal is still standing from a fair distance away anyways, the sith lightning he can use thanks to sith sorcerer skillz has some nasty power and range. I'd see him standing at about the same distance as Nayel from both of you.

@Undine

 

[Undine]

Yeah I have no issue with the use of force lightning. One thing I do want to add though is something I discussed with others in the Jedi chat. Basically I wasn't sure if the drone was considered an NPC much like a droid would be, or a weapon much like a blaster or lightsaber. Long story short, it depends on how the drone is used, if it is preprogrammed and functions independently then it is an NPC, though in this instance Sal seems to be controlling it directly and thus it is an extension of Sal, much like his lightsaber.

It's a situational distinction, but it's a key one for everyone to understand. Because of the way Sal is controlling the drone, it can not be one shot or damaged in the same way we can just kill off NPCs like we're breathing fresh air, instead we have to word our attacks in much the same way we do when we attack another PC, nothing can land without there first being the chance for an attack to be avoided. Personally I'm not a fan of this just because it allows you, @Ravendark, to basically keep constant fire on us without us having any real way to counter it since we can't directly attack it. At least as far as my understanding goes.

But wait, there's more, it get's even more complicated because it's still an inanimate object and thus we can use the Force against it. I'm not entirely sure what my options are to counter the drone, I'm not sure to what extent I'm able to shrug off it's attacks, or to what extent I'm actually able to target and attack it. I would pat you on the back for using it since it is putting me in a difficult spot to maneuver, but not entirely in the way it was designed to since it's more that the PvP rules are hazy in this instance than anything the drone is actually doing. So, on that note, let's ask the people that can actually offer clarification.

:valen: Order, I say order in the thread. :valen: Lol. Jk.

Anyway, tagging @Arclight for clarification on the RP/PvP rules, and @Clayton since it involves tech. I'm also sorry for bothering everyone this early into the PvP. There is nothing actually wrong with the thread as far as I'm concerned, but I would like to know how the rules apply to the drone specifically.​

 

[Hol Horse]

That's perfectly fine, I searched around for some uses of drones and my only real gut feeling is that since it has guns attached it should be fair game. The way it is used though is of course up to deliberation. I thought it best to use to help make up for my sorcerer's poor physical presence due to the rather glass cannon mage build, I agree that some clarification by the mods would be helpful for you and me though.

 

[Undine]

Personally, I wouldn't consider it an NPC, because it'd be next to useless in actual PvP. On the other hand since it is in the air, it'd be hard to actually counter since an opponent could just have it swerve back and forth claiming it dodges anything thrown at it. In this instance a fair balance in my opinion would be for it to be fair game for the use of the Force. There's no real way for it to resist being pulled into the ground with a telekinetic attack, but at the same time I can't just say I pull it into the ground with the Force. For me it's in the same vein as using the Force to rip the weapon out of the hands of an opponent, yes it wouldn't be a direct attack against your opponent, but it still is because they have direct control over the weapon. This is slightly muddied with the drone though since your controlling it remotely. Basically I have no idea. And I have no idea how a non-Force sensitive would handle it.​

 

[René]

@Undine, is it your turn to post or mine?

 

[Undine]

@Undine, is it your turn to post or mine?

Mine, but I kinda wanted to get the admin's opinions on the drone before I posted. @Ravendark if you'd prefer we could just come up with our own interpretation on it so as to keep the thread moving forward.

Say we have an NPC use a repeating blaster cannon to occupy the drone's efforts? Not outright shoot it down or anything, but keep it evading being shot long enough for it to become less of a headache for myself and Kyle this turn?​

 

[Prudence]

I'm not in the thread, but just popping in to let you guys know so there isn't any unnecessary waiting. Admins don't just weigh in on stuff like this unless an official report is filed. So you'll have to decide if whatever your argument is is report worthy or nah.

Anyways, :prudence: out

 

[Hol Horse]

I feel like deploying a drone but not being able to do anything with it kind of defeats the point of it being PC tech in the first place for PvP, but at the same time I see where you're coming from yeah. I feel that a compromise would be having it be susceptible to force powers would be a good countermeasure, another one being also that it's movements are more sluggish and slow to react than a PC since as a computer it'll need to process-analyze-who-fuckin-knows.

I feel like the issue is slowing the thread too much though, let's just say that the drone is being forced to fly around a lot since some soldiers are shooting at it. If you want to report it though I won't mind, I'd be giving up a tactical edge though by letting the issue slide.

@Undine

 

[Undine]

I have no issue with your use of the drone, I just didn't know what my options were as far as dealing with it without breaking rules or causing an argument over confusion. More often than not confusion over one thing or another is what causes PvP to have such a bad rap on the site. It just gets more out of hand from there. I'll get to work on a post now though, so we don't have to delay any more.​

 

[Hol Horse]

Hihi,

@Undine , is Emerald currently in her trench getting ready to attack or is she currently charging at Sal saber in hand ready to bash his face in?

Apologies if its obvious but I just wanted to be explicitly clear.

 

[Undine]

She's in the trench, having just attacked @Tristar and now readying herself to face Sal.​

 

[Undine]

@Tristar I'm assuming the "sniper" was Emerald? If so cool, just felt like asking. If not, you might want to make it her, given the distance between our characters a couple fingers works for me if that's how you want to play it, cause otherwise her discblade would have partially decapitated you when you removed your helmet. There's no fun in that now is there? ;P​

 

[Tristar]

Nope @Undine. The sniper is one of the two that @Kyle: The Rogue called in. The discblade gave Nayel a really bad paper cut. Basically how it went was a sniper shot at Nayel but missed, blinding him with the sand from the sand bag. Assuming the disc blade came from above, Nayel turning around with his back up meant that the blade missed its intended target but took off a couple of finger tips. Will edit later after work

EDIT: The discblade had already cut off his finger tips before he took off his helmet. He took off his helmet to stab himself with the stim. In order:

1. Sniper blinds Nayel and trips him up.
2. Nayel gets up by twisting his body side ways (He landed on his back, so he twisted around so that his back was facing the air but doing so shifts him slightly to the right.)
3. Discblade comes in and nabs his finger tips.
4. Nayel leans back against the sand bag wall he was hiding behind and removes helmet to stab himself with stim.
5. Nayel rolls into crater and relays orders.